Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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The 23mm ZSUs are radar cued than manually guided, not mechanically guided by radar cued.

See the videos from Ukraine with searchlights and shitloads of tracers. The radars tell the guns / gun batteries generally where to look then the guns have to be manually pointed as the dried and the VAST majority have basic sights.

Something like Skynex from Germany is radar and EO guided so it's much more accurate. Ukraine has.... Two systems.
You are correct, I thought I was more clear about that. The guns need to be crewed, but they still have a ton of them. The RADAR also helps program the fuse in the shell with target altitude data. Its a very Soviet weapon, ensuring gun crews require the minimum in intelligence and ability.

RADAR guidance is critically important when night fighting (also when dealing with fast moving objects as gun crews can be ready instead of needing spot and lock a target only when it is in visual range, but that's not a problem with Shaheed-pattern drones)


This is the end product of that Based "Russian Avos"
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You couldn't ask for a better cultural ethos on which to build a cannon-fodder military doctrine.
So basically The Secret meets WWI.
 
>50-day deadline for 100%
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>17 Patriot batteries
Great if true.

Full livestream:
50 MOAR DAYS:

Rutte: Europeans will pay for US weapons for Ukraine:

17 Patriot batteries:


EDIT: so no new Presidential Drawdown Authority package?
 
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With the Epstein files and now this, rifts are forming in MAGAland. Our favorite schizo Congresswoman Moscow Marjorie is making her displeasure known:
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On her personal account, she suggests, quote-tweeting herself, that there will be unrest if Ukraine funding continues:
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also while the A-10 is an excellent plane, it is becoming a real budget suck to try to keep flying so I have mixed feelings about keeping it in service.
What the army needs is a UAV variant of the A-10. CAS doesn't mean risking a pilot if you don't have to and I totally agree with the airforce that a dedicated CAS airframe is probably unnecessary in a world of increasingly large and sophisticated drone solutions.
 
>50-day deadline for 100%
50 MOAR DAYS:

TWO SEVEN MORE WEEKS

Its the 7 greatest weeks. Much more than anyone else has ever done. Under Biden, what did they say under Biden? They said two more weeks. All the time, two more weeks. Well, the American people gave me four more years... at least four more... and they'll be the greatest years in this country. We're already winning. Winning so much. And now I'm giving Russia 7 weeks. They'll be the best weeks. And we'll have a ceasefire. It'll be the greatest ceasefire anyone's seen. The best. I'll bring peace, unlike Biden. The killing will stop, and we'll be making so much money. The US, Ukraine, Europe even though they don't deserve it they'll still make so much money.


Immediate minority report:
50 days or 100% secondary tariffs. This should have been done February 25, 2022 ,this should have been done by Biden, and if not these things, that should have been a day-1 action from Trump (except, you know, Boogieman to hammer through his agenda). This is... isn't exactly weak but that's hardly pointing a loaded gun at Russia.
Let's ignore the massive exceptions and loopholes that will be in place that you can sail a shadow fleet through.
I doubt this even really disrupts Russia's ability to continue in Ukraine for at least a year.


Addtionally please note:
17 patriot batteries being paid for from foreign budgets, imminent ceasefire. News conference on Monday while markets are open.

Was she pro or anti Isreal? I can't remember.

What the army needs is a UAV variant of the A-10. CAS doesn't mean risking a pilot if you don't have to and I totally agree with the airforce that a dedicated CAS airframe is probably unnecessary in a world of increasingly large and sophisticated drone solutions.
I disagree for the simple reason that you're sending a UAV into an incredibly hostile environment just asking for a sensor or comm gear to get disabled and bad machine decisions to get made with friendlies around.

I could possibly see something like a Loyal Wingman drone that does the actual gun run, but human pilots make enough mistakes. Honestly a better use of drones in CAS for the near future would be decoys that screen the CAS platform.

Also I might concede more of your point but the USAF has been trying its damnest to weasel out of CAS since the 90s and probably before. They are giving excuses, not reasons.
 
>50-day deadline for 100%
>17 Patriot batteries
17 Patriot batteries would essentially close most Ukrainian airspace to the RuAF and severely degrade Russian ballistic missile attacks.

Ruh roh Putin, hope you can take the entire Donbass in 50 days (LMAO)

In addition, sanctions on Russian oil makes US oil/NG even more competitive hehehe

Having NATO/the EU pay for US arms is just fine.

This is probably in addition to more NASAMS and reloads, more USA made FPV drones, and shells and aircraft (Ukraine is due for something like 12-24 more F-16s and 6-8 more Mirage 2000s by early 2026.

 
With the Epstein files and now this, rifts are forming in MAGAland. Our favorite schizo Congresswoman Moscow Marjorie is making her displeasure known:
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On her personal account, she suggests, quote-tweeting herself, that there will be unrest if Ukraine funding continues:
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I don't get this line of thinking unless you're either a huge pussy or actively trying to help a foreign power.

We're being paid by NATO countries to build weapons for Ukraine, arms manufacturers create job openings for more Americans to work, so it all largely benefits the American economy and still puts "America First", plus we've it's not selling weapons is some new thing Trump started doing. This feels like the same stupid fear mongering we saw from some "conservatives" that were certain Trump was sending the Marines into Tehran.
 
Having NATO/the EU pay for US arms is just fine.
From analysis I've read (jesus this shit is fucked)
- Euro Countries are transferring the first wave of slightly-down-model Patriots to Ukraine and getting IOUs for new latest gen Patriots.
- These IOUs are credited with the trade-in value of the transferred Patriots, but there is cost a delta. RayRay is minimizing the cost delta. The US is not paying for this minimization directly. They are doing some ratfucked horse trading on other RTX contracts and either paying bonuses that might not be deserved, approving contract payments on milestones not yet reached, or not leveraging penalties for failures.
- the Trade-in cost is being paid for by Ukraine indirectly; the financial aid commitments are being rerouted or NATO countries that need to up their budgets to hit 2% will get the option to pay the NATOgeld.
- The delta cost is likewise a direct GDP meeting contribution.

So if you are say The Netherlands, you can give up some patriot batteries, get maximum trade-in credit to apply to the purchase of batteries that you were going to need to pay to upgrade, and save money in the long term. Additionally you save on maintenance expenses as you aren't needing to maintain those batteries, just wait for the new ones.
In exchange for saving this money, the cost is that you are short on your AAD if something does pop off between now and your new systems arriving.

Also lest we think that isn't enough lying for a politician:
The US is handling the minor upgrades.

There is also a spat of net-new systems that will be built for Ukraine and arrive in months-to-years. These are being paid for by military aid for Ukraine budgets.

tl;dr: Fuck I wish I had bought more RTX stock. Fuck. FUCK.
 
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Word on the street is the Emperor is big mad at Russia for defying him and is going to give Ukraine access to full scope of the American Military Industrial Complex.

I shouldn't need to remind you about the need to archive articles, especially ones that are behind a wall.
https://archive.is/qVDsj
Also I might concede more of your point but the USAF has been trying its damnest to weasel out of CAS since the 90s and probably before.
Try the 1940's with the Bomber Mafia and Curtis LeMay. During WW2 there was intense opposition inside the USAAF to fighter drop tanks since nobody wanted people wondering why the fighter planes that were dropping empty fuel tanks over Europe weren't also dropping bombs on the front lines. And of course after WW2 LeMay gleefully helped Truman gut every branch besides the USAF since hey, we can just nuke all our problems away. Until we couldn't.
 
New Ukrainian riverine droneboat "Ursula":
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A compact, one-meter unmanned surface vessel named Ursula, developed by Kyiv-based NoviTechNet, can perform river reconnaissance, act as a floating mine and launch FPV drones directly from the water. This was reported by developer itself on July 12.

NoviTechNet designed Ursula's hull and modular payload bay for rapid deployment in complex riverine and littoral zones.

Fitted with stabilized optical and thermal cameras atop a folding mast, the vessel streams real-time imagery of riverbanks, channels, and coastal approaches to operators several kilometers away. Its low profile makes visual and radar detection difficult, enhancing stealth during reconnaissance missions.
I can't get the video to load, but the thing is quite agile & fast, even while carrying another drone.


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What the army needs is a UAV variant of the A-10. CAS doesn't mean risking a pilot if you don't have to and I totally agree with the airforce that a dedicated CAS airframe is probably unnecessary in a world of increasingly large and sophisticated drone solutions.
Why not just automate the damn thing? QA10 Thunderbolt II Drones.

You'd have USAF enlistments go thru the roof, plus you could stick the 'unsafe' airframes out there and fly 'em 'til they fall apart. One crashed? Two? ten? Who cares!
 
From analysis I've read (jesus this shit is fucked)
- Euro Countries are transferring the first wave of slightly-down-model Patriots to Ukraine and getting IOUs for new latest gen Patriots.
- These IOUs are credited with the trade-in value of the transferred Patriots, but there is cost a delta. RayRay is minimizing the cost delta. The US is not paying for this minimization directly. They are doing some ratfucked horse trading on other RTX contracts and either paying bonuses that might not be deserved, approving contract payments on milestones not yet reached, or not leveraging penalties for failures.
- the Trade-in cost is being paid for by Ukraine indirectly; the financial aid commitments are being rerouted or NATO countries that need to up their budgets to hit 2% will get the option to pay the NATOgeld.
- The delta cost is likewise a direct GDP meeting contribution.

So if you are say The Netherlands, you can give up some patriot batteries, get maximum trade-in credit to apply to the purchase of batteries that you were going to need to pay to upgrade, and save money in the long term. Additionally you save on maintenance expenses as you aren't needing to maintain those batteries.
In exchange for saving this money, the cost is that you are short on your AAD if something does pop off between now and your new systems arriving.

Also lest we think that isn't enough lying for a politician:
The US is handling the minor upgrades.

There is also a spat of net-new systems that will be built for Ukraine and arrive in months-to-years. These are being paid for by military aid for Ukraine budgets.

tl;dr: Fuck I wish I had bought more RTX stock. Fuck. FUCK.
A domestic MBDA Patriot rocket assembly in Germany will come online in 2026-2027, they are already building.
 
Why not just automate the damn thing? QA10 Thunderbolt II Drones.

You'd have USAF enlistments go thru the roof, plus you could stick the 'unsafe' airframes out there and fly 'em 'til they fall apart. One crashed? Two? ten? Who cares!
Imho on the QA-10s, I would remove the GAU-8s as they'll be much more useful as part of the construction of more Goalkeeper or something similar CIWS. As for the QA-10s themselves either use as air support, PGM boats, relay drones to help extend the range for the other drones. For those airframes falling apart, viking funeral them as heavy multi ton payload kamikaze drones and/or air defense bait to draw fire from the real kamikaze drones.

Edit: picture of Goalkeeper CIWS
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17 BATTERIES? As in 17x4?
Yea that's a good deal of air defense. That's game changing amounts of AD.
Chuck some Tomahawks in there, Donny, you know you want to.
Just a reminder that's 17x4 after the project is done, which might be a couple years. but the first couple will be there within "days" and a good portion in a couple months.
Expect maximum vatnigger seethe immediately though.

Also, re: Tomahawks unless they get a couple hundred won't do much. They'd get eaten by the extremely dense AAD.

A domestic MBDA Patriot rocket assembly in Germany will come online in 2026-2027, they are already building.
That's for the reloads, not the batteries though.

Meanwhile, in Moscow....
No refunds.

Why not just automate the damn thing? QA10 Thunderbolt II Drones.

You'd have USAF enlistments go thru the roof, plus you could stick the 'unsafe' airframes out there and fly 'em 'til they fall apart. One crashed? Two? ten? Who cares!
Because they would get maximum jamming and take maximum fire, which might cause a sensor to be hit/get misalligned and then bad machine decisions would get made very close to friendly troops.
 
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