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The West Again Learns That War Needs Industry
The Wall Street Journal (archive.ph)
By Daniel Michaels
2023-07-07 07:39:00GMT

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Ukraine’s conflict with Russia has exposed huge shortfalls in Western defense-industry capacity and organization. Manu Brabo for The Wall Street Journal

Behind the deadly front lines where Ukrainian and Russian soldiers are locked in combat, a less-noticed life-or-death battle is raging to keep troops supplied with arms and ammunition. The side that loses that fight is the one that will lose the war. It is a lesson Washington is relearning.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has exposed huge shortfalls in Western defense-industry capacity and organization. The U.S. and its allies aren’t prepared to fight a protracted war in the Pacific, and would struggle with a long European conflict.

As Adm. Rob Bauer, a top military officer at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, puts it: “Every war, after about five or six days, becomes about logistics.”

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NATO’s Adm. Rob Bauer, right, says the defense industry needs more private-sector support. Photo: olivier hoslet/Shutterstock

If the U.S. clashed head-on with Russia or China, stocks of precision weaponry could be used up in hours or days. Other vital supplies would run out soon after.

Many governments are starting to respond. The U.S. is increasing arms production after decades of focus on terrorism and homeland security. French President Emmanuel Macron has pledged a “war economy” to boost military supplies. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has shed Berlin’s longstanding disdain for military spending.

It is a pivot with echoes of the last century, when the U.S. repeatedly swung its economy to fight wars and face down enemies. Woodrow Wilson nationalized America’s railroads in 1917, and in 1942 Detroit lurched from making cars to churning out tanks and bombers. The Cold War spawned the military-industrial complex.

Nobody’s ready to test those extremes today. To handle newly aggressive adversaries without commandeering industries or exploding national budgets, Washington and its allies will need to try fresh approaches to developing, buying and maintaining military supplies.

“The defense-industrial base that served us after World War II and helped us prevail in the Cold War isn’t the one that is going to help us prevail against China,” says Joseph Votel, a retired four-star Army general who led Special Operations Command and now heads Business Executives for National Security, a nonprofit started in 1982 to bring private-sector know-how to the Pentagon.

The first step will be spending more on defense across the West. In 2014, after Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine and fomented rebellion in the country’s east, NATO members pledged to spend at least 2% of their gross domestic product on defense by 2024.

Only the U.S. and a handful of other members do that so far, though war in Ukraine may finally have broken the logjam. Around half of NATO’s 31 members could hit 2% next year, alliance diplomats say.

Ambitions are increasing, too. When NATO leaders meet in Lithuania next week for their annual summit, they expect to cement 2% of GDP as the spending minimum, not an aspiration. Over the past year, NATO and the European Union have also assumed new roles coordinating and consolidating arms procurement to boost efficiency and accelerate rearmament.

But more is needed, say Votel and his colleagues, starting with a new postindustrial mind-set. Many see a model in how Ukraine is drawing expertise from across society to develop defensive systems that bridge advanced digital savvy and grease-covered Soviet hardware.

First, say advocates of a new approach, the Pentagon should acknowledge it no longer owns the cutting edge of technology—even though it once launched transformative innovations, such as the internet and GPS.

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Washington and its allies need to try fresh approaches to developing, buying and maintaining military supplies. Photo: valda kalnina/Shutterstock
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The military needs huge quantities of some items, such as artillery shells and rifles. Photo: Vadim Ghirda/Associated Press

“Our nation leads in many emerging technologies relevant to defense and security—from artificial intelligence and directed energy to quantum information technology and beyond,” a panel of former top Defense Department officials said in a recent report for the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank. “But the DoD struggles to identify, adopt, integrate and field these technologies into military applications.”

The commission, led by former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, offered 10 recommendations that ranged from encouraging tech companies to do business with the Pentagon to modernizing its budgeting documents.

Others say that rather than conceiving multidecade moonshots, as in the Cold War, the Pentagon should learn to quickly draw on existing innovations, as smaller allies have done, and Ukraine is doing.

“The Defense Department set itself up to export technology,” says James “Hondo” Geurts, a former assistant secretary of the Navy and Air Force officer with extensive acquisitions experience. “Now it needs to become a smart importer of technology.”

On the Florida panhandle, a gaggle of military brainstorming centers are working to test what is possible outside a war zone. Defensewerx, a nonprofit organization closely tied to the Pentagon, links the defense establishment with small businesses and academia, working to bring innovation and a disrupter mentality to arms development and contracting.

A challenge, say skeptics, is that projects launched in a military “Monster Garage” often founder at industrial scale.

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Defense is massively expensive, and not just for cutting-edge equipment. Photo: Mustafa Yalcin/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

Defense planners must also get more entrepreneurial, say advocates of change—and some are already. NATO’s Bauer recently flew to the Pacific coast in Los Angeles, not for naval maneuvers but to address a finance-oriented conference.

“We need private investors to support the defense industry,” the Dutch officer told the Milken Institute’s global gathering in May.

Defense is massively expensive, and not just Top Gun equipment such as F-35 jet fighters costing around $100 million apiece. The Navy has estimated that a 20-year modernization of four major shipyards, which maintain aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines and average a century old, will cost $21 billion—and a senior Government Accountability Office official last year called those estimates “wildly off point.”

The protracted refurbishment limits repair capacity, leaving warships at pier awaiting work and reducing America’s active fleet available for threat response. Multibillion-dollar assets idly aging in saltwater cost taxpayers, warn critics.

Rather than drag out shipyard renovations over two decades, says Sam Cole, a finance-sector professional who serves on the BENS board under Votel, it would make more sense to get the work done quickly so the yards are fully functional sooner.

The Pentagon could struggle to fund all that, given government budgeting rules, Cole acknowledged. Instead, it could take a more private-sector approach to financing by turning to debt markets, raising around $50 billion and completing the work in about four years.

“Being able to tap capital markets would enable you to put the project on steroids,” says Cole.

Funding defense outside the Pentagon’s budget would break tradition, but advocates note that other parts of the government already do it. The Commerce and Agriculture departments are leveraging capital markets to finance investments in necessities from microchips to fertilizer.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin last December took a step in that direction, launching the Office of Strategic Capital, an in-house tech incubator empowered to partner with private financiers. The Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or Darpa, has gained legendary status for its role in helping fund Silicon Valley’s rise, but its financial firepower is limited.

The OSC is unusual for the Pentagon because it can employ loans, guarantees and other financial tools not typically used by the U.S. military, which relies mainly on contracts and grants. It aims to help startups grow and work with the Pentagon, and to nurture new technologies that may support defense. At its launch, officials noted that while the Defense Department has rich programs to foster innovation, Pentagon contracting and legal rules pose daunting hurdles for startups.

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The U.S. Navy has estimated that a 20-year modernization of four major shipyards will cost $21 billion. Photo: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

In rebuilding military industries, small business also needs attention. Defense giants once tapped supply chains that extended to thousands of workshops supplying basic components. Industry consolidation, globalization and shrinking demand after the Cold War eroded that base. Today, subcontractors are as likely to be independent software developers as metal-bashers, but they face similar headaches with business fundamentals such as financing research and development.

Defense giants handling massive arms projects generally work on a cost basis, meaning they can usually hand the Pentagon a bill for their R&D spending, says Frank Finelli, another finance professional on the BENS board. But almost all midsize companies in the defense industry are subcontractors, so are unable to pass along development costs.

“You’re asking me to invest my own money in R&D” for the Pentagon, Finelli says he hears from smaller companies. The U.S., the world’s financial-markets leader, should be able to find a solution, he says. “This is about having access to financial agility at scale.”

Agility is increasingly vital in manufacturing, too. The F-35, America’s newest jet fighter, is a marvel of networked computers that can hover and fly supersonic. But much of it is still built by hand in a Texas factory where each plane steps along an assembly line from one production station to the next, notes Stacie Pettyjohn, director of the defense program at the Center for a New American Security.

The Pentagon’s next generation of equipment will need to rely on commercial industries’ advances in production technologies, from 3-D printing to factory automation, says Pettyjohn. “New manufacturing systems for new defense systems will be critical.”

Equally ripe for an overhaul is how the Pentagon turns ideas into equipment. The military needs eye-popping quantities of some items, such as artillery shells and rifles, but a lot of equipment is needed in versions customized for specific tasks, which can vary widely across services and in elite units such as special forces.

How to combine mass production and variety has long plagued defense planners. The F-35 was envisioned 30 years ago as a single low-cost plane with different options for the Air Force, Navy and Marines. But in traditional fashion, costs and complexity ballooned as delays mounted.

“The Defense Department has a poor track record in rapid development and production,” says Pettyjohn. “They’ve shot for the moon on everything.”
 
There was the M14 before it.

Which was only semi auto and never made full auto.

The Italians figured out a way to make it full auto.
Incorrect - the M14 was always select fire.

And which GI's in Vietnam quickly found out was completely useless because firing a full sized rifle cartridge like 7.62 NATO in full auto from something that isn't a light machine gun is impossible to control or aim accurately, and Vietnamese equipped with intermediate cartridged Ak-47 rifles were able to run circles around them.

If the US is running out of military stuff then the Russians must be near the breaking point and about to surrender. Oh wait, their military was gutted by corruption and corrupt military officials sold a lot of their stuff off. Putin is burning through the old Soviet inheritance stockpiles. But the Russians still manage to pull some old rusted up AK's old tanks or old missiles out of their asses to send to Ukraine. I am sure the US will be fine. Just the stuff the stuff the us is sending is better. The Russians are digging out their old stockpiles of stuff that was already obsolete 30-40 years ago.

You can think whatever you want about the war in Ukraine and the US giving them weapons and money. Agree or disagree. But to say the US is running out of military hardware ammo vehicles whatever is just wrong. It's factually wrong. It's not just wrong it's stupid. When you say it you look stupid. I am an American. I live in America. I know where our money went. It wasn't used on a national healthcare service or a working efficient mass transport system for the public. My point is it was spent somewhere else. The US spends 800 billion a year on military. The only time this changed was when Obammy was in office, and he cut spending to something like 500 billion a year and cancelled a bunch of military programs. Boomers acted like this was the end of the world. The US military was running on fumes. This was all BS. Despite what some people say the US military is the biggest welfare queen in the US. No, the average ghetto nigger doesn't come close. So don't tell some BS about how the US is running out of military supplies and equipment when the US spends that much money on the military.

This whole ZOMG guyz the US is running out of stuff for it's own military vatnigger BS has already been debunked. If the Russians can dust off some old T-55's and T-62's to send to Ukraine I am sure the US will find something to send them.
Holy fucking shit you fucking nigger cattle are impervious to reality! You have actual US military veterans with real world experience in ordnance right in this fucking thread giving you details about how the US ordnance supply chained is fucked beyond all recognition, they've given you actual charts showing that it's fucked beyond all recognition, you have the real world fact that the Ukraine counter-offensive is going nowhere and the Ukies keep getting shelled to hell and back, and all you can say is "Nuh-Uh! It's the vatniggers that are running out of ammo and are pulling out ancient weapons!" A claim that, by the way, is only based on the works of "OSINT" groups that do nothing but stay on twitter all day, aren't in Russia, don't have any contacts in Russia, and have tried to pass off four year old footage of tanks being shipped in from Laos for use in museums as proof that Russia was bringing out fucking World War II vehicles.
 
Incorrect - the M14 was always select fire.

And which GI's in Vietnam quickly found out was completely useless because firing a full sized rifle cartridge like 7.62 NATO in full auto from something that isn't a light machine gun is impossible to control or aim accurately, and Vietnamese equipped with intermediate cartridged Ak-47 rifles were able to run circles around them.

Holy fucking shit you fucking nigger cattle are impervious to reality! You have actual US military veterans with real world experience in ordnance right in this fucking thread giving you details about how the US ordnance supply chained is fucked beyond all recognition, they've given you actual charts showing that it's fucked beyond all recognition, you have the real world fact that the Ukraine counter-offensive is going nowhere and the Ukies keep getting shelled to hell and back, and all you can say is "Nuh-Uh! It's the vatniggers that are running out of ammo and are pulling out ancient weapons!" A claim that, by the way, is only based on the works of "OSINT" groups that do nothing but stay on twitter all day, aren't in Russia, don't have any contacts in Russia, and have tried to pass off four year old footage of tanks being shipped in from Laos for use in museums as proof that Russia was bringing out fucking World War II vehicles.
The full auto fire mode was removed because the recoil was too much for the average soldier. It made the M14 inaccurate. So, it was semi-auto.

The only nigger cattle here is you. I don't believe randos on the internet like a retard. Anyone can say or claim anything on the internet. I don't give a fuck what anyone says. I go by what I know what I see and what actual experts and professionals say. Perun is an actual professional. He works for the Australian government as a defense analyst. That's a far more trust worthy source than random nobodies on the internet.

OMG guys the US is running out of everything involved with the military. You can trust me. I was in the military. See how that works or doesn't work?
 
OMG guys the US is running out of everything involved with the military. You can trust me. I was in the military. See how that works or doesn't work?
Newfag is wrong and didn't see the discord leaks.

Proceeds to sperg about literally everything - and from your post history this amount of sperging is apparently regular.

Tale as old as time.
 
Newfag is wrong and didn't see the discord leaks.
To be fair, as someone who has followed the war to an extent, I've not seen the Discord leaks beyond maybe 3-4 slides from a power point or something talking about carrier deployments. It never showed up on the usual spots like 4chan which makes me believe that they never existed in the first place.
 
In addition to what Ol'Johnny said, you have to consider all the times from the end of the cold war to the start of the war in the Ukraine that the US has participated in "peacekeeping" operations.

So, Desert Storm + "The War on Terror" + 30 years of "Peacekeeping". It is completely believable that things are depleted when its all going out and nothing is coming in.
 
With all this talk of ammo, I think I better buy some before we have more shortages lol

It means if they wish hard enough it will all just appear.

Maybe they can bribe China. Or totally just wave some money around and Boeing will just show up, install an update, and the F-35 will magically become the bestest figthter jet on Erf!

It means they don't want industry, because that means the peons will have jobs.

They don't want DARPA and DOD designing stuff, they want it all public domain or developed and owned by private corps.
There is some *small* hope, things like the F-15 being put back into production, though that's just a small part. We need more companies capable of making their own shit and not just mega corps
Granted, they did correct a lot of the issues it had but they never should have had those kinds of problems in the first place. All this talk about the next-gen super-Sig rifles makes me skeptical of them. It wouldn't be the first time billions of dollars were dumped on a program whose brainchild ended up in a desert boneyard.
I've seen reviews of the Sig rifle and my verdict is... it's heavy. Sure it's a 7mm rifle that has less recoil than 308 and can punch thru modern body armor, sure... but it means less rounds per person.
While the idea of a full auto battle rifle in .308 sounds good I think the recoil will make most people not want to touch it.
It depends on the recoil reduction mechanism, which the M14 didn't have, combined with its grip that made it move up
 
I've seen reviews of the Sig rifle and my verdict is... it's heavy. Sure it's a 7mm rifle that has less recoil than 308 and can punch thru modern body armor, sure... but it means less rounds per person.

The 20 inch barrel M16 being swapped out for the 14 inch M4 was a mistake that lead to the creation of this Sig thing.
 
I'm all for bringing industry back to the west, but if it's just to fuel the ponzi scheme that is the MIC, I think we should export the last remaining steel mills to whogivesafuckstan.

I can't wait for the GAE to end and I have to applaud Putin for poking the eagle only to see how it's as inept as the bear is.
 
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I'm all for bringing industry back to the west, but if it's just to fuel the ponzi scheme that is the MIC, I think we should export the last remaining steel mills to whogivesafuckstan.

I can't wait for the GAE to end and I have to applaud Putin for poking the eagle only to see how it's as inept as the bear is.

Meh, who cares what the industry is making, as long as it comes back. Someone will always find a way to bitch about what industry makes regardless of what it is, might as well be munitions. What, you'd rather outsource bombmaking to the Chinks?
 
As much as I'd love to put the blame on the US Military being pozzed being the primary cause of this shortage, I feel that this is the outcome of several decades worth of bad decisions.
 
As much as I'd love to put the blame on the US Military being pozzed being the primary cause of this shortage, I feel that this is the outcome of several decades worth of bad decisions.
Pozzed does ensure America can't fix this problem as the entire mindset of the SJW so completely fucked that they can't admit they need to change.
 
To be fair, as someone who has followed the war to an extent, I've not seen the Discord leaks beyond maybe 3-4 slides from a power point or something talking about carrier deployments. It never showed up on the usual spots like 4chan which makes me believe that they never existed in the first place.
There was another leak later on pretty much proving it was real, because it also included the entire fucking thing.

Which showed exactly that we're fucking out of ammo, there's no more slavniggers to throw at the orcs, and that they were planning to ramp up production somehow.
 
Granted, they did correct a lot of the issues it had but they never should have had those kinds of problems in the first place. All this talk about the next-gen super-Sig rifles makes me skeptical of them. It wouldn't be the first time billions of dollars were dumped on a program whose brainchild ended up in a desert boneyard.
My question is, what was wrong with the M4 and 5.56? Why did it need replacing?

If we're headed for WW3, logistics should be their focus. We beat Germany in WW2 not because we had better weapons, or because we were on the Right Side of History™️. We just outproduced them.

If we need more small arms, there's no shortage of gunsmiths the DOD could contract with. Just have them add auto sears into their usual AR's.

"Oh wait, that's the icky gun industry. We don't wanna support them, even though killing people is what the military is supposed to do".
As much as I'd love to put the blame on the US Military being pozzed being the primary cause of this shortage, I feel that this is the outcome of several decades worth of bad decisions.
Wokeism isn't the problem. It's a symptom of misplaced priorities, mission creep, and corruption.
 
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My question is, what was wrong with the M4? Why did it need replacing?

Wokeism isn't the problem. It's a symptom of misplaced priorities, mission creep, and corruption.
There were reports of it not putting down jihadis in Afghanistan hard enough but a lot of them were probably high on opium at the time. Probably nonsense but anything to justify defense contractors trying to sell a solution looking for a problem. Granted the AR and derivatives have that direct impingement system that gets blamed for malfunctions but that was mostly in the early Vietnam days and they allegedly used the wrong type of powder for the ammunition.

Whatever Current Year military is doing now, I don't think winning wars is a priority. Dumping all of our mothballed mid-20th century gear on a certain shithole country however is. That and promoting gender weirdos to the brass to humiliate the actual fighting men.

To answer your edited post, the woketards likely want to control the police and army themselves in order to have a weapon to use against dissidents in their utopian society. No wonder they seem so bent on converting the upper crust. It sure ain't convincing the alphas who usually die in wars to sign up for it.
 
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My brother in Christ, if @Jet Fuel Johnny is just some "rando on the internet" to you, you need to LURK MOAR. And maybe kill yourself in real life, too.
Yes, he is a rando on the internet. It's not my fault you are retarded and you believe everything random people say on the internet. Maybe you should go kill yourself because you are clearly too stupid to live and you are just an oxygen thief,
 
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