The Official Tomb Raider Grieving Thread - Including the sad, pathetic 2010s trilogy.

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

They keep forcing that Jonah character, JFC. Also LMAO at the strong black woman with 2 peg legs.

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I can't tell what exactly is the true worst part here about that sheboon.

>The fact that there's someone with the idea of hiring a fat cripple in your archeology party do anything other than cleaning the fossil right. I'm just saying, putting her in active action, let alone combat duty is a decision that has no legs to stand on.

> The fact that she's fat, & doesn't even have toned forearms to show she even climbs, legs or not.

> The fact that her dyed hair will kill the stealth, if those prosthetic legs going *ting ting* every step of hers won't do the job already.

> The fact that they didn't do basic prosthetics or said fuck it & went full Cyberpunk on it, which would've been better from a climbing perspective.


> The fact that all the things I mentioned above, are done in fan-art of this character, showing how easily doable it is to begin with, let alone fixable. This is by @Casanovainks on Twitter.

I refuse to believe this isn't someone's OC, someone sweep through the dev list.

 

[TVB]

I can't tell what exactly is the true worst part here about that sheboon.

>The fact that there's someone with the idea of hiring a fat cripple in your archeology party do anything other than cleaning the fossil right. I'm just saying, putting her in active action, let alone combat duty is a decision that has no legs to stand on.

> The fact that she's fat, & doesn't even have toned forearms to show she even climbs, legs or not.

> The fact that her dyed hair will kill the stealth, if those prosthetic legs going *ting ting* every step of hers won't do the job already.

> The fact that they didn't do basic prosthetics or said fuck it & went full Cyberpunk on it, which would've been better from a climbing perspective.
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> The fact that all the things I mentioned above, are done in fan-art of this character, showing how easily doable it is to begin with, let alone fixable. This is by @Casanovainks on Twitter.
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I refuse to believe this isn't someone's OC, someone sweep through the dev list.

So what we're getting is, aside from Classic Croft, is also the other OCs here; NuCroft, Jonah, So and So, Whatsherface and the fat, black one. I hate the modern industry

 

[Celebrate Nite]

So what we're getting is, aside from Classic Croft, is also the other OCs here; NuCroft, Jonah, So and So, Whatsherface and the fat, black one. I hate the modern industry

All self inserts, probably had sweet baby involved in it in one capacity or another.

 

[TVB]

All self inserts, probably had sweet baby involved in it in one capacity or another.

This is why nepotism is ruining the mainstream media. The "writers" that think they're creative by adding fanfiction shit and call it Shakespeare

 

[Hightension]

I don’t know if this has been posted yet:
One guy animated this cutscene from TR1 in blender.
This look of Lara is the absolute peak like back then.

Comparison alongside original

Why can’t studios hire the right people for the job…

 

[CobraPlissken]

Was there anything even remotely offensive about the depiction of tribes and shit in the games? (forgive me if it's been pointed out what they consider offensive in this thread already). Tomb Raider was probably the first gaming franchise that I got into and I feel like I learnt a lot more horrible things about Aztecs etc in school books. All I thought while playing the games was how cool everything looked. I imagine if I was from one of those cultures, I'd be pissed off that being based and setting up elaborate booby traps to stop tomb raiders from stealing my elder's artifacts was considered "offensive".

The only thing that could actually be offensive is the portrayal of the South Pacific Islanders as cannibals in Tomb Raider 3, but then didn't it literally just happened — this Christian missionary who was cannibalized recently by the tribe he wanted to proselytize to? Stereotypes exist for a reason, after all...

ETA spoilers for TR3.

 

[TVB]

Why can’t studios hire the right people for the job…

Nepotism. That's all

 

[TVB]

Forgive the double posting (and bumping)

The only thing that could actually be offensive is the portrayal of the South Pacific Islanders as cannibals in Tomb Raider 3, but then didn't it literally just happened — this Christian missionary who was cannibalized recently by the tribe he wanted to proselytize to? Stereotypes exist for a reason, after all...

ETA spoilers for TR3.

Even then, the offensive nature used in TR1-3 is still very tame. The worst that the original games could do is just have Lara Croft say "Hitler did nothing wrong," "jews did 9/11," "despite only making up 13 percent of the population," or "you will never be a woman."

 

[jspit2.0]

The only thing that could actually be offensive is the portrayal of the South Pacific Islanders as cannibals in Tomb Raider 3, but then didn't it literally just happened — this Christian missionary who was cannibalized recently by the tribe he wanted to proselytize to? Stereotypes exist for a reason, after all...

ETA spoilers for TR3.

It features a white, rich British noble traveling the world with disregard for local ruins or artifact...or wildlife, and procuring priceless treasures of the natives?

Why does a sneaking part of me suspect though that it's the cannibal thing....

 

[marvlouslie]

So what we're getting is, aside from Classic Croft, is also the other OCs here; NuCroft, Jonah, So and So, Whatsherface and the fat, black one. I hate the modern industry

I would've almost accepted Jonah as Lara's token sidekick had they not made him so whiney and pathetic in a lot of the third game.

 

[The Tall Man]

I'll probably buy the Remastered trilogy eventually.

Pirate it.

You are not rewarding the game devs (they already got paid) or incentivizing the publisher to make future games more like the remakes (they clearly told you that with the dumb message).
They will use their money to turn Tomb Raider into a game about a team of preachy trans BIPOCs.

Pirating is the moral choice, if you think the remake is something you would enjoy playing.

 

[TVB]

Pirate it.

You are not rewarding the game devs (they already got paid) or incentivizing the publisher to make future games more like the remakes (they clearly told you that with the dumb message).
They will use their money to turn Tomb Raider into a game about a team of preachy trans BIPOCs.

Pirating is the moral choice, if you think the remake is something you would enjoy playing.

Based pirates

I did the same with Shadow of the Tomb Raider and then given up the on the game 20 minutes in. And speaking of

I would've almost accepted Jonah as Lara's token sidekick had they not made him so whiney and pathetic in a lot of the third game.

That's what made him so useless, especially because of the fact that writers of that game have zero motivation nor imagination

 

[WEEKEND]

Crystal Dynamics really need to either evolve nuLara's character or just shelve the series. I feel like the 3 reboot games are the same origin story just told differently. Old Lara was a confident, seasoned explorer that wasn't carrying all this gay baggage about being a survivor, woman and the rest of the bullshit the devs think is more important in Tomb Raider than raiding tombs.

Then there's problem with Lara's sexuality. I understand that the marketing around TR back in the day went overboard with the whole "sex icon" thing but nuLara might as well be a genderless blob. I think that Crystal Dynamics needs to learn the difference between a confident and flirtatious character and gaymer, incel pandering. nuLara has less personality that Nathan Drake.

I don't really mind the reboot games but Crystal Dynamics need to focus on making Lara an enjoyable character. I'd also make the next game level based with more open environments and more puzzles. Basically more like old TR.

 

[The Tall Man]

Crystal Dynamics really need to either evolve nuLara's character or just shelve the series. I feel like the 3 reboot games are the same origin story just told differently. Old Lara was a confident, seasoned explorer that wasn't carrying all this gay baggage about being a survivor, woman and the rest of the bullshit the devs think is more important in Tomb Raider than raiding tombs.

Then there's problem with Lara's sexuality. I understand that the marketing around TR back in the day went overboard with the whole "sex icon" thing but nuLara might as well be a genderless blob. I think that Crystal Dynamics needs to learn the difference between a confident and flirtatious character and gaymer, incel pandering. nuLara has less personality that Nathan Drake.

I don't really mind the reboot games but Crystal Dynamics need to focus on making Lara an enjoyable character. I'd also make the next game level based with more open environments and more puzzles. Basically more like old TR.

If Crystal Dynamics hires the guy who made this, then I might buy one of their future products.

Man, I love BasedMods.

 

[TVB]

Crystal Dynamics really need to either evolve nuLara's character or just shelve the series. I feel like the 3 reboot games are the same origin story just told differently. Old Lara was a confident, seasoned explorer that wasn't carrying all this gay baggage about being a survivor, woman and the rest of the bullshit the devs think is more important in Tomb Raider than raiding tombs.

Then there's problem with Lara's sexuality. I understand that the marketing around TR back in the day went overboard with the whole "sex icon" thing but nuLara might as well be a genderless blob. I think that Crystal Dynamics needs to learn the difference between a confident and flirtatious character and gaymer, incel pandering. nuLara has less personality that Nathan Drake.

I don't really mind the reboot games but Crystal Dynamics need to focus on making Lara an enjoyable character. I'd also make the next game level based with more open environments and more puzzles. Basically more like old TR.

The biggest problem is that CD didn't used to be this way prior to the Squeenix buyout. When they purchased the IP from CORE Design, they at least knew what they were doing with Legend and Anniversary and they were great.

Underworld was something that had potential but then Squeenix bought CD midway through production of this game, thus also rushing it to stores, being a warning sign of bad things to come. So if anything, Squeenix is to blame for nuLara 2013 onward with Embracer peeling its skin following after they purchased CD and Eidos, making the remaining of the two devs being full of the same exact slopshit from last decade

 

[Glossy Paper]

I can't tell what exactly is the true worst part here about that sheboon.

>The fact that there's someone with the idea of hiring a fat cripple in your archeology party do anything other than cleaning the fossil right. I'm just saying, putting her in active action, let alone combat duty is a decision that has no legs to stand on.

> The fact that she's fat, & doesn't even have toned forearms to show she even climbs, legs or not.

> The fact that her dyed hair will kill the stealth, if those prosthetic legs going *ting ting* every step of hers won't do the job already.

> The fact that they didn't do basic prosthetics or said fuck it & went full Cyberpunk on it, which would've been better from a climbing perspective.
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> The fact that all the things I mentioned above, are done in fan-art of this character, showing how easily doable it is to begin with, let alone fixable. This is by @Casanovainks on Twitter.
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I refuse to believe this isn't someone's OC, someone sweep through the dev list.

Thing is, I believe most people don't care about "diversity" if it's presented in a cool and appealing way. The fanart put more thought into that than what the illustrator/designer did.

 

[TVB]

Thing is, I believe most people don't care about "diversity" if it's presented in a cool and appealing way. The fanart put more thought into that than what the illustrator/designer did.

It's why corpos are busy spoonfeeding the idea of diversity and equality by talking down to the core audiences they're targeting to as if they're preschoolers or some stupid shit

 

[The Tall Man]

Thing is, I believe most people don't care about "diversity" if it's presented in a cool and appealing way. The fanart put more thought into that than what the illustrator/designer did.

But what is the cool and appealing way?

Is it like the propaganda of the 90s and early 00s, where you had everything filled with people who acted exactly like normal White people but some happened to be gay or black or whatever?

They basically lied to people and made them think that Black and Gay are just labels that any totally normal White person can have. It's not even skin deep. Later, they went further and tried to make you think woman and man are just labels. They even have good-looking and real women play troons to lie to you.

When I look at the anti-woke griftosphere, I can see that they like to use excuses for why they don't want a Black or trans MC.

And they always make sure it's something that is not seen as racist or bigoted.

I am thinking of the babyface guy soyfacing "it's boooooring" into the camera instead of telling the truth that Bethesda has filled the game with dysgenic Niggers and Faggots, that look like shit, sound like shit, and talk like shit.

I find this extremely pathetic.

People have inherent ingroup preference and a sense for what normal is, and that is a good thing.

White people are so scared to get labeled racists that they are afraid to say the most basic things like that they don't want their art filled with Niggers and Faggots.

Because that is what you actually want when you say that you would be okay if it's just a label.

But please correct me if I am wrong, would you actually be okay if your art is filled with guys called something like Ubanga that are low impulse control 75 IQ Niggers that actually acts like that or a raging Faggot that talks about buttfucking and cocksucking the entire time or a Troon that actually looks and acts like an actual troon?

 

[TVB]

Is it like the propaganda of the 90s and early 00s, where you had everything filled with people who acted exactly like normal White people but some happened to be gay or black or whatever?

80s, 90s and the majority of the 2000s (not early 2000s). Remember, there were more whites until 2011 when post-recession shit like Occupy Wall Street became a thing

 

[Glossy Paper]

But what is the cool and appealing way?

Is it like the propaganda of the 90s and early 00s, where you had everything filled with people who acted exactly like normal White people but some happened to be gay or black or whatever?

They basically lied to people and made them think that Black and Gay are just labels that any totally normal White person can have. It's not even skin deep. Later, they went further and tried to make you think woman and man are just labels. They even have good-looking and real women play troons to lie to you.

When I look at the anti-woke griftosphere, I can see that they like to use excuses for why they don't want a Black or trans MC.

And they always make sure it's something that is not seen as racist or bigoted.

I am thinking of the babyface guy soyfacing "it's boooooring" into the camera instead of telling the truth that Bethesda has filled the game with dysgenic Niggers and Faggots, that look like shit, sound like shit, and talk like shit.

I find this extremely pathetic.

People have inherent ingroup preference and a sense for what normal is, and that is a good thing.

White people are so scared to get labeled racists that they are afraid to say the most basic things like that they don't want their art filled with Niggers and Faggots.

Because that is what you actually want when you say that you would be okay if it's just a label.

But please correct me if I am wrong, would you actually be okay if your art is filled with guys called something like Ubanga that are low impulse control 75 IQ Niggers that actually acts like that or a raging Faggot that talks about buttfucking and cocksucking the entire time or a Troon that actually looks and acts like an actual troon?

I was thinking about something simpler. It was just about devs pushing diversity but forgetting that players are mainly concerned with having fun, where one of the factors is to play as or interact with cool and appealing characters. On paper, TF2's demoman being a black scottish man missing an eye is a diversity bingo, but it works because the game is good, all other mercs characters are equally ridiculous, and demoman is a funny guy with strong characterization. Games should not mirror real life and making characters more "real" takes away from the fun.