Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Flexo said:
It's not a major plot point, the whole damn season is ripped off of Mass Effect 3 and the trilogy as a whole.
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Even that's giving Picard S1 too much credit, as it implies that they went into the season with some sort of plan. Instead, about two-thirds of the season was spent meandering around, before the producers obviously realized "Oh, shit, we don't have any idea where we're going with this story! Quick, let's rip off, uh... Mass Effect!"
 
Miller said:
What they're doing in this second season is baby's first social commentary by people who have never left their gated community. The scripts are written with their fingers dipped in paint. They unironically had a shot where you can see a big ad for a space mission in the background and homeless people in the foreground.
This is not science-fiction, this is political propaganda. If there's one thing that Kurtzman never lied about, is how he would use the Star Trek brand to push an agenda (see that fat black woman from the DNC who got a speaking role in STD).
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Original Trek was crafted by professional writers who were probably part time political hacks. Nu-Trek is crafted by Professional Political Hacks who are part time writers.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
Original Trek was crafted by professional writers who were probably part time political hacks. Nu-Trek is crafted by Professional Political Hacks who are part time writers.
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Harlan fucking Ellison wrote City on the Edge of Forever for God's sake. Didn't Robert Bloch write one of the spookier episodes set in some leftover horror set?
 
Brain Problems said:
Harlan fucking Ellison wrote City on the Edge of Forever for God's sake. Didn't Robert Bloch write one of the spookier episodes set in some leftover horror set?
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Yea, Boch wrote Catspaw. I rather like the episode but it's done in by some cheesy (even for TOS) special effects of Sylvia and Korab's "real" form. Still, a rather fun episode that is LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything in Nu-Trek.
 
Rewatching TOS makes me question the whole "Humanity was supposed to have moved past religion" shit that they did in TNG and later. There was a whole episode where they find Space Rome and there's basically a cult of Sun Worshipers. Except they're not Sun Worshipers, they're Son Worshipers, as in Son of God. Kirk mentions Christ by name.
They also get that one AI to blow himself up because it committed murder, which even it stated was "Against the laws of man and God."
 
Okay, did the latest episode of Picard just imply that Starfleet ships still don't have cloaking devices? Are the Federation really worried that the destroyed remnants of a power who would probably struggle to defend themselves from an invasion by the Ferengi might get pissed off about a treaty violation?

Exceptionally Exceptional said:
Rewatching TOS makes me question the whole "Humanity was supposed to have moved past religion" shit that they did in TNG and later. There was a whole episode where they find Space Rome and there's basically a cult of Sun Worshipers. Except they're not Sun Worshipers, they're Son Worshipers, as in Son of God. Kirk mentions Christ by name.
They also get that one AI to blow himself up because it committed murder, which even it stated was "Against the laws of man and God."
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TOS was in fairness produced back in the days when networks expected the protagonists of their TV shows to be God-fearing Christians. I suspect that Roddenberry genuinely did intend for the Federation to be an atheistic society even back then, but had to throw in the occasional mention of God to keep the network happy.
 
HarryHowler said:
TOS was in fairness produced back in the days when networks expected the protagonists of their TV shows to be God-fearing Christians. I suspect that Roddenberry genuinely did intend for the Federation to be an atheistic society even back then, but had to throw in the occasional mention of God to keep the network happy.
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Fair enough.

HarryHowler said:
Okay, did the latest episode of Picard just imply that Starfleet ships still don't have cloaking devices? Are the Federation really worried that the destroyed remnants of a power who would probably struggle to defend themselves from an invasion by the Ferengi might get pissed off about a treaty violation?
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Fucking wot? I mean, if the Romulans have bit the shit there is literally nothing to stop the Federation from just making some cloaking devices or purchasing them from the Klingons.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Guinan's ability to see through different timelines has never been properly explained in the same way we never knew why Q was wary of her. I've read some silly explanations like, being a race of listeners, they would never fall for the Q's tricks, which is very absurd because we know some can be corrupted. Personally, I think it's one of those things that the writers didn't really want to spend more time with and simply said "she's mysterious" and be done with it. I mean, in the same universe, Wesley was just born a genius without more explanation than being born this way by chance. So, Guinan's race just know things. The part of the Nexus is just something they added up later to make her a guide for Picard for his time inside the Nexus and it makes sense her mysterious character does this.


I've seen some clips of this show and you are sadly right. The writers just want to take the characters from point A to point B without any further explorations of their ways. It's just "thing happens" -> "let's solve thing" -> "move on to the next thing." All while trying to sound smart and inhumanly assertive.

Remember how the whole crew was debating whether it was proper or ethical to help that kid from "Pen Pals" and her people because not helping meant they just would ignore the death of millions of living beings despite they could so something?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4mH-L6UCCAE
Moments like these were the core of ST:TNG. No yelling, not trying to outsmart the other, offering different points of views to reach to the best solution, all while showing each character's personality: Worf is a pragmatic absolutist, Dianna is indeed empathetic, and Data offers the human point of view while Pulansky, formerly sceptic of him, takes his side.
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I like how she busts out some kung fu pose at him
 
XYZpdq said:
I like how she busts out some kung fu pose at him
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I always wondered what the fuck was up with that. It looks like she's about to unleash fucking force lightning on him. They seem to imply that Guinan's people have some sort of ability to defend themselves against the Q, and that the Q do NOT like them.
And it's never fucking explained. At all. It's like they forgot that entire scene ever happened.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
I always wondered what the fuck was up with that. It looks like she's about to unleash fucking force lightning on him. They seem to imply that Guinan's people have some sort of ability to defend themselves against the Q, and that the Q do NOT like them.
And it's never fucking explained. At all. It's like they forgot that entire scene ever happened.
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….oh god, what if they invent a reason why in Picard?
 
HarryHowler said:
TOS was in fairness produced back in the days when networks expected the protagonists of their TV shows to be God-fearing Christians. I suspect that Roddenberry genuinely did intend for the Federation to be an atheistic society even back then, but had to throw in the occasional mention of God to keep the network happy.
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You know? I think religion's role in the space faring distant future sounds like an interesting concept. You can say that their religious views have moderated in a way that's compatible with the humanist values of the Federation.
 
The Great Chandler said:
You know? I think religion's role in the space faring distant future sounds like an interesting concept. You can say that their religious views have moderated in a way that's compatible with the humanist values of the Federation.
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It's a pretty different vision of the spacefaring future from Star Trek, but the Expanse books, particularly Abbadon's Gate, spend a lot of time exploring religion's role in a multiplanetary civilization. One of the POV characters is a pastor.
 
XYZpdq said:
I like how she busts out some kung fu pose at him
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Exceptionally Exceptional said:
I always wondered what the fuck was up with that. It looks like she's about to unleash fucking force lightning on him. They seem to imply that Guinan's people have some sort of ability to defend themselves against the Q, and that the Q do NOT like them.
And it's never fucking explained. At all. It's like they forgot that entire scene ever happened.
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Not necessarily. Could be their version of making a cross sign to protect yourself from evil. There must be a few cultures that see the Q as demonic.
 
Mdabrik said:
I thought nutrek is annoying with its weird political messages, but your retarded political posts here are even worse
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In fairness the autists here don't run a 50-year old franchise into the ground and piss on it while calling it rain.
 
HarryHowler said:
TOS was in fairness produced back in the days when networks expected the protagonists of their TV shows to be God-fearing Christians. I suspect that Roddenberry genuinely did intend for the Federation to be an atheistic society even back then, but had to throw in the occasional mention of God to keep the network happy.
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The Great Chandler said:
You know? I think religion's role in the space faring distant future sounds like an interesting concept. You can say that their religious views have moderated in a way that's compatible with the humanist values of the Federation.
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Ironically its TOS that appears to have the most reasonable view of religion in retrospect. A future where its still present to some extent but it doesn't seem to override people's judgment or control their lives.
 
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