Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[khaine]

Picard is absolute . Episode 4 apes on the bus scene from Star Trek 4. Raffi is still heartbroken over a fucking elf. All of these cunts needs to be shot out of the nearest airlock.

Oh, FFS. Guinan has that stupid 10-Forward bar in LA in 2024, and yet doesn't recognise Picard, even though she met him in the 1800s. She also looks way younger than she did in the 1800s. This show is retarded. Why is the fucking Bar called 10 on Forward St, its not like that means anything until the Enterprise-D. It was a cute Easter egg in the initial episode, now its just stupid.

 

[BScCollateral]

That's why I always looked at these retards and wondered what alternate universe they were looking at?

The one depicted on the news.
They're actually trying to blame the energy price hikes that started in January on a war that broke out in February.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Even Voyager is better than this drek

just

DS9 and everything that followed are all proximate cause for the current shitshow. With Voyager perhaps being the worst offender.

Back in the day , Kirsten Beyer, now running the Trek equivalent of a storygroup, got ( rightfully) , rejected from writing for the show.

( Pbuh Berman , Braga , & Moore for the only good decision they made )

And then she proceeded to worm her way into shitting up the post tv settings of the Voyager novel verse.

I'd put major quatloos on the vast majority of the hinky shit ( character wise) anyways is her spiting the show for rejecting her back then.

 

[Miller]

[...]

This is probably my personal dumb political sperging, but the showmakers treating it 100% seriously tells me that Kurtzman and the other writers - in addition to being absolute hacks - genuinely believe that anyone who voted or wants to vote again for the Bad Orange Man or has the most basic bitch Boomercon political viewpoints is a violent monster that is waiting for the opportunity to eradicate entire races, reinstitute slavery, and institute a dictatorship with glee.

What they're doing in this second season is baby's first social commentary by people who have never left their gated community. The scripts are written with their fingers dipped in paint. They unironically had a shot where you can see a big ad for a space mission in the background and homeless people in the foreground.
This is not science-fiction, this is political propaganda. If there's one thing that Kurtzman never lied about, is how he would use the Star Trek brand to push an agenda (see that fat black woman from the DNC who got a speaking role in STD).

 

[Flexo]

just

DS9 and everything that followed are all proximate cause for the current shitshow. With Voyager perhaps being the worst offender.

Back in the day , Kirsten Beyer, now running the Trek equivalent of a storygroup, got ( rightfully) , rejected from writing for the show.

( Pbuh Berman , Braga , & Moore for the only good decision they made )

And then she proceeded to worm her way into shitting up the post tv settings of the Voyager novel verse.

I'd put major quatloos on the vast majority of the hinky shit ( character wise) anyways is her spiting the show for rejecting her back then.

I really wish I could find a Ted talk or in depth breakdown of this. Because even just a light glance into the topic has convinced me of it. Some of these season storylines are ripped STRAIGHT out of novels.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

Picard is absolute . Episode 4 apes on the bus scene from Star Trek 4. Raffi is still heartbroken over a fucking elf. All of these cunts needs to be shot out of the nearest airlock.

Oh, FFS. Guinan has that stupid 10-Forward bar in LA in 2024, and yet doesn't recognise Picard, even though she met him in the 1800s. She also looks way younger than she did in the 1800s. This show is retarded. Why is the fucking Bar called 10 on Forward St, its not like that means anything until the Enterprise-D. It was a cute Easter egg in the initial episode, now its just stupid.

You know what would have made the bar scene better? Picard walking in quoting Twain and Guinan smiles recognizing him immediately. And have Seven mention she was taught how to drive by Tom Paris. But the writers have never watched any Star Trek series. They don't even know why 10 Forward is called 10 Forward!
One good thing they did was cast a hot latina milf. I'd put an anchor baby in her.

 

[Lithos]

You know what would have made the bar scene better? Picard walking in quoting Twain and Guinan smiles recognizing him immediately. And have Seven mention she was taught how to drive by Tom Paris. But the writers have never watched any Star Trek series. They don't even know why 10 Forward is called 10 Forward!
One good thing they did was cast a hot latina milf. I'd put an anchor baby in her.

She did say at the end of that episode, "See you in five hundred years."
Might've been funny if he came back with "I couldn't wait that long to see you again!"

Someone was saying that this was an alternate-alternate timeline because the Confederation or whatever. But don't El-Aurians already see multiple timelines like the Borg Queen now suddenly does?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

She did say at the end of that episode, "See you in five hundred years."
Might've been funny if he came back with "I couldn't wait that long to see you again!"

Someone was saying that this was an alternate-alternate timeline because the Confederation or whatever. But don't El-Aurians already see multiple timelines like the Borg Queen now suddenly does?

You’re thinking too smartly for Kurtzman Trek.

 

[Captain Autism69]

What the fuck was ep 4? Like I thought 1,2 and 3 were a mess but this is just stupid. Why is Guinan uglier? and in a bar called Ten Forward? Why did they rehash then fuck up the bus scene from the whale movie? Why is Picard old?
The only interesting thing about it is Q

 

[Lithos]

You’re thinking too smartly for Kurtzman Trek.

And it hurts trying to think about Kurtzman Trek.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

Picard season 2 hurts.

 

[Standardized Profile]

And yet Shatner is almost a decade older but looks like he could walk on the bridge and confidently take command at a moment's notice.

Saw him at a con last year. He can still command a room.

Someone was saying that this was an alternate-alternate timeline because the Confederation or whatever. But don't El-Aurians already see multiple timelines like the Borg Queen now suddenly does?

Guinan can sense changes in the timeline because part of her exists outside time, in the Nexus. If the writers later expanded that to all El-Aurians, they're dumb.

 

[CrashMan2012]

Picard is absolute . Episode 4 apes on the bus scene from Star Trek 4. Raffi is still heartbroken over a fucking elf. All of these cunts needs to be shot out of the nearest airlock.

Oh, FFS. Guinan has that stupid 10-Forward bar in LA in 2024, and yet doesn't recognise Picard, even though she met him in the 1800s. She also looks way younger than she did in the 1800s. This show is retarded. Why is the fucking Bar called 10 on Forward St, its not like that means anything until the Enterprise-D. It was a cute Easter egg in the initial episode, now its just stupid.

It's barely plausible that the address became an inside joke for her when she took over the bar on the Enterprise-D. Could have named it anything, but after noticing it was on deck 10 and at the very front of the ship, gave it a name that referenced her old bar. I won't give them credit for planning it that way though.

I can't figure out how they'll rationalize she didn't recognize Picard either, when Whoopi did her cameo she could have told them about that 1800s meeting if they told her what they were planning. Which they probably didn't. Which is funny given all the on screen in-jokes and references that require a high level of knowledge of trek lore, onscreen and off.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

Guinan has had enough of Earth and Humanity. Current year is literally the worst and racist and most hopeless humanity has ever been, in all Guinan's centuries on Earth.

 

[DavidS877]

So, they tried to rip off Mass Effect(and probably others) but Liara telling Shepard "Truck!" was a far superior scene.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So, they tried to rip off Mass Effect(and probably others) but Liara telling Shepard "Truck!" was a far superior scene.

I remember Rich Evens of RLM pointed out that a major plot point from Picard’s first season was directed ripped off from Mass Effect, so it wouldn’t surprise me that they’re still doing so.

 

[UnKillFill]

Guinan can sense changes in the timeline because part of her exists outside time, in the Nexus. If the writers later expanded that to all El-Aurians, they're dumb.

I'm not gonna lie, that might have been something said in a book I didn't read or something like that... but as far as I know, Guinan being an El-Alurian, and still being partially in the nexus are two entirely unrelated things. As far as I remember, neither of them have ever explicitly been stated *on screen* as a reason why she knew that the timeline of 'Yesterday's Enterprise' was "wrong".

Even if you're correct, and you're remembering something that I don't, what you're claiming still would have been a fairly significant retcon, as 'Generations' came out several years later than 'Yesterday's Enterprise' did. It was definitely always at least *implied* that Guinan knowing about the changes to the timeline was an El-Aurian racial thing.

Also, Generations was already fucking garbage, but literally everything else I've read here about what they did to Guinan in STP seems to be substantially worse than that movie was. @_@

My final point is, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was even slightly defending Star: Toilet Paper, (or whatever STP actually stands for,) but it's already shit enough. We don't need to make shit up about previous Trek to make STP look worse, It's already fucking terrible.

 

[L50LasPak]

This is probably my personal dumb political sperging, but the showmakers treating it 100% seriously tells me that Kurtzman and the other writers - in addition to being absolute hacks - genuinely believe that anyone who voted or wants to vote again for the Bad Orange Man or has the most basic bitch Boomercon political viewpoints is a violent monster that is waiting for the opportunity to eradicate entire races, reinstitute slavery, and institute a dictatorship with glee.

No that take is probably accurate.

Unfortunate then. It only gives more credence that a famed IRL shitposter's claim of "these people want you dead, broke, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny" was a 100% accurate take, and that people need to start planning accordingly.

I'm a little late to this one, but I've known and interacted with the kinds of people who unironically believe that sort of thing, and I can tell you Kurtzman is not one of them. If a person who was actually afraid of that kind of thing wrote a story like this, it would be much more drawn out and complicated. I hesitate to say it would be better; it would probably be even more preachy and frenzied to be honest with you, which would make it more insufferable. But it would be more intricate at the very least, and would manage one or two good points every so often.

Kurtzman and his writers seem to be writing these plots by machine learning. They input a set of buzzwords, and it spits out a story that hits each buzzword on the nose and then moves on. I don't think these people believe in anything that they're saying, and I'm honestly not sure they believe in anything at all.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Guinan's ability to see through different timelines has never been properly explained in the same way we never knew why Q was wary of her. I've read some silly explanations like, being a race of listeners, they would never fall for the Q's tricks, which is very absurd because we know some can be corrupted. Personally, I think it's one of those things that the writers didn't really want to spend more time with and simply said "she's mysterious" and be done with it. I mean, in the same universe, Wesley was just born a genius without more explanation than being born this way by chance. So, Guinan's race just know things. The part of the Nexus is just something they added up later to make her a guide for Picard for his time inside the Nexus and it makes sense her mysterious character does this.

Kurtzman and his writers seem to be writing these plots by machine learning. They input a set of buzzwords, and it spits out a story that hits each buzzword on the nose and then moves on. I don't think these people believe in anything that they're saying, and I'm honestly not sure they believe in anything at all.

I've seen some clips of this show and you are sadly right. The writers just want to take the characters from point A to point B without any further explorations of their ways. It's just "thing happens" -> "let's solve thing" -> "move on to the next thing." All while trying to sound smart and inhumanly assertive.

Remember how the whole crew was debating whether it was proper or ethical to help that kid from "Pen Pals" and her people because not helping meant they just would ignore the death of millions of living beings despite they could so something?

Moments like these were the core of ST:TNG. No yelling, not trying to outsmart the other, offering different points of views to reach to the best solution, all while showing each character's personality: Worf is a pragmatic absolutist, Dianna is indeed empathetic, and Data offers the human point of view while Pulansky, formerly sceptic of him, takes his side.

 

[Flexo]

I remember Rich Evens of RLM pointed out that a major plot point from Picard’s first season was directed ripped off from Mass Effect, so it wouldn’t surprise me that they’re still doing so.

It's not a major plot point, the whole damn season is ripped off of Mass Effect 3 and the trilogy as a whole.

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=32094

So the personification of the Reapers is a ghost hologram of a ten year old boy. This is the best idea in this entire scene. Which is a shame, because it’s still a terrible idea.

Star Child introduces himself and explains that he controls the Reapers. He explains that his job is to command this fleet of machine gods to kill all spacefaring organics every 50,000 years. He does this because advanced organic species inevitably build robots, and those robots will inevitably wipe out the organics. So that’s why this kid has his robots kill everyone. To prevent this.

This is the explanation behind the Reapers. For real.