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Guess it's time to get to know voyager better
I consider "Way of the Warrior" (DS9) to be a second pilot. Likewise, VOY didn't really get going until Seven joined.

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I'd love to see a guide as to what are the good episodes of Enterprise. There must be some pre-season 4 episodes that are essential, right?
ENT never crystallized. It doesn't have any 'classic' episodes, though there are some likable characters.
 
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ENT never crystalized. It didn't have any 'classic' episodes, though it did have some likable characters.
Disagree. It's been a while and I was a lad when I saw it, but I remember ENT got really good around season 3 with the Xindi war and only got better from there. It had pretty decent episode of the week adventures for s1-2 as well, I need to rewatch but certainly better then what we have now.
 
Wasn't the Xindi arc some heavy-handed 9/11 parable? It sounds cringey. And are they the ones in actual Nazi uniforms? That looked even cringier.

I recall shortly after 9/11, a rather tone-deaf episode aired that pissed off Usenet. It was apparently very hippy-dippy "turn the other cheek and love your enemy" unrealistic peacenik junk obviously shot pre-9/11 that could not have aired at a worse time. So the show overcorrected the other way and the Xindi thing was supposed to mirror the ongoing War on Terror.

Again, I never really watched this show other than a couple episodes, so this is just the stuff I vaugely remember from reading the newsgroups.
 
Wasn't the Xindi arc some heavy-handed 9/11 parable? It sounds cringey. And are they the ones in actual Nazi uniforms? That looked even cringier.

I recall shortly after 9/11, a rather tone-deaf episode aired that pissed off Usenet. It was apparently very hippy-dippy "turn the other cheek and love your enemy" unrealistic peacenik junk obviously shot pre-9/11 that could not have aired at a worse time. So the show overcorrected the other way and the Xindi thing was supposed to mirror the ongoing War on Terror.

Again, I never really watched this show other than a couple episodes, so this is just the stuff I vaugely remember from reading the newsgroups.
Yes. Archer even goes full Jack Bauer at some point. The Nazi Aliens were in season 4 where they helped the Germans win WWII and invade America, so they're not exactly the Xindi. That Temporal Cold War was some serious tism.
 
Yes. Archer even goes full Jack Bauer at some point. The Nazi Aliens were in season 4 where they helped the Germans win WWII and invade America, so they're not exactly the Xindi. That Temporal Cold War was some serious tism.
Yeah, the temporal cold war doesn't interest me either. I guess I'd be only interested in the stuff that actually works as a TOS prequel and expands that lore. I really was hoping they'd do the Romulan war or use that one Colonel Green character that once fought Abraham Lincoln.
 
Yeah, the temporal cold war doesn't interest me either. I guess I'd be only interested in the stuff that actually works as a TOS prequel and expands that lore. I really was hoping they'd do the Romulan war or use that one Colonel Green character that once fought Abraham Lincoln.
They use the legacy of Colonel Green in season 4 whenever they're on Earth. They were building up to a Romulan War too, but got cancelled before they could. I'm of the opinion that the reason why no one knows what the Romulans look like despite modern viewscreens is because President Archer ordered the use of nukes and dumped so many nukes in space that the background radiation blocked out all visuals for nearly a century.

Sidebar: Enterprise even uses Peter Weller more effectively than JJ Abrams.
 
No, it was a mistake by George Lucas. Then Alan Dean Foster tried to explain it away that way in the novelization. I saw Solo, but I forgot everything about it and couldn't tell you what Disney's official explanation is.
There's some debates as supposedly some scripts had it marked... but I will say I actually believe you as it’s very in characters for George to try and retcon things as the plan all along.

Disney's explanation is some convoluted black hole shit.

The worst of it is that there's this anime movie called Redline.

It is, no joke, EXACTLY the movie Solo should have been (except maybe less nudity). It even has an excuse for the line as the final race has 3 possible routes on this crazy military world. There's your excuse, the M.Falcon is so fast she could take the shortest, but most dangerous route in the galactic race and survive.

Wasn't the Xindi arc some heavy-handed 9/11 parable? It sounds cringey. And are they the ones in actual Nazi uniforms? That looked even cringier.

I recall shortly after 9/11, a rather tone-deaf episode aired that pissed off Usenet. It was apparently very hippy-dippy "turn the other cheek and love your enemy" unrealistic peacenik junk obviously shot pre-9/11 that could not have aired at a worse time. So the show overcorrected the other way and the Xindi thing was supposed to mirror the ongoing War on Terror.

Again, I never really watched this show other than a couple episodes, so this is just the stuff I vaugely remember from reading the newsgroups.
Xindi was like Way of the Warrior. A second pilot. SFDebris will be discussing it very soon.
 
Look at it again with honest eyes. Trip is the only thing holding those years together.
I admit its been... what 19 years sense I saw it on television? But I can say with certainty I really enjoyed Scott Bakula's performance. The writing might not have been perfect for the first 2 seasons, but the acting was consistently good as I recall.

Temporal cold war always seemed like a cool concept to me. Its not executed to its full potential, but I always liked the idea following the perspective of the clueless past protagonists. I feel like the drama over it is exaggerated.

Wasn't the Xindi arc some heavy-handed 9/11 parable? It sounds cringey. And are they the ones in actual Nazi uniforms? That looked even cringier.

I recall shortly after 9/11, a rather tone-deaf episode aired that pissed off Usenet. It was apparently very hippy-dippy "turn the other cheek and love your enemy" unrealistic peacenik junk obviously shot pre-9/11 that could not have aired at a worse time. So the show overcorrected the other way and the Xindi thing was supposed to mirror the ongoing War on Terror.

Again, I never really watched this show other than a couple episodes, so this is just the stuff I vaugely remember from reading the newsgroups.
Xindi arc I remember was basically the show's version of the dominion war. It got kinda kickass actually. Especially when they brought on feddie navy seals.


There were some good stakes and tension. Unlike voyager, when the ship gets beat the fuck up it STAYS that way for the rest of the season.




I love, absolutely loved how they handled the nazi shit in enterprise. It's cliche yes, but only (old) star trek can pull it off unironically.


I dont remember all the episodes in detail, but trust me its not that bad. People just have high ass standards. It's a work of art compared to discovery.
 
I admit its been... what 19 years sense I saw it on television? But I can say with certainty I really enjoyed Scott Bakula's performance. The writing might not have been perfect for the first 2 seasons, but the acting was consistently good as I recall.

Temporal cold war always seemed like a cool concept to me. Its not executed to its full potential, but I always liked the idea following the perspective of the clueless past protagonists. I feel like the drama over it is exaggerated.


Xindi arc I remember was basically the show's version of the dominion war. It got kinda kickass actually. Especially when they brought on feddie navy seals.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1-_lrf44Gw0

There were some good stakes and tension. Unlike voyager, when the ship gets beat the fuck up it STAYS that way for the rest of the season.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8l6DhCtvZvI:49



I love, absolutely loved how they handled the nazi shit in enterprise. It's cliche yes, but only (old) star trek can pull it off unironically.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hkH8pZuA2ys

I dont remember all the episodes in detail, but trust me its not that bad. People just have high ass standards. It's a work of art compared to discovery.
Archer really did miss his calling. He's a perfectly fine Marine captain. The problem is they make this crayon eater a Navy captain.
 
Disagree. It's been a while and I was a lad when I saw it, but I remember ENT got really good around season 3 with the Xindi war and only got better from there. It had pretty decent episode of the week adventures for s1-2 as well, I need to rewatch but certainly better then what we have now.
I like the episodes with the Andorian guy and his red eyed waifu. There was also one with a Tellerite that's not bad. Sad we didn't get into more of the various aliens (the one with the green sluts wasn't great, it just rehashjed the TOS episode).
 
Both wars fought with "primitive" lasers and atomic weapons.
Which is where they wanted to go in the beginning. I think DS9 met with similar resistance: it was originally going to be land-based. The studio said "no" to location shooting.
the one with the green sluts wasn't great, it just rehashed the TOS episode).
Much of this era is about closing off dead routes for the franchise to take. "North Star" took the Original Series concept of Wyatt Earp in space. The "Borderland" trilogy is obsessed with Khan. The bit at the end is too cute about the cybernetics. The Orion Slave Girls are a real clunker. The big punchline is that Hoshi becomes the Terran Empress.
 
It's kind of like the bullshit regarding the Kessler Run in SW tbh. Some technobabble nonsense to explain why "parsec" is used as a measurement of speed when in fact, it was just some writer dropping a poorly understood sciency term in his script.
It was a measurement of time. The line was "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs." The ass-pull was that it was some really circuitous route through asteroid belts and stuff so it actually was a unit of distance. They took short cuts, presumably through asteroid belts and other hazards.
There were rumors that in earlier drafts the line was deliberately wrong by Han Solo as a test to see how much he could rip off the rubes.

I always wished they just ran with that idea.
No, it was a mistake by George Lucas. Then Alan Dean Foster tried to explain it away that way in the novelization. I saw Solo, but I forgot everything about it and couldn't tell you what Disney's official explanation is.
I mean, look at the face Obi-Wan pulls when Han says the line.

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I don't believe most of George Lucas and the other writers saying they always intended X thing to be a certain way that makes sense when it doesn't, but either that line was marked in the script or Alec Guinness just personally knew how stupid the line was and adlibbed the reaction to it.
 
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