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We hear human grunts and screams as Kira plugs some Breen with her rifle.
Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier
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Meriasek
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Oh yeah, there was something. Oh well. Discovery doesn't count anyway. The Orville is more Star Trek than that.
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Let's be honest, the Breen are most likely just humans with forehead ridges and shit on their face.
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Bad things happen when they jump to warp 10 because they use technology.
The Traveler uses magic.
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The Traveler uses magic.
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Kyria the Great
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We keep talking about Breen, but we haven't ask the true question, how do we use them going forward? My answer is to have a character who is name Ne'Il who is a Breen who wants to make shitty vanity project holoprograms and the consequences of such affairs.
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And blue since they come from an ice planet.
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So, with my work shut down for a week due to a kid showing up and giving Corona to others, I decided to use that 7 day free trial and binge nu-Trek. Not many episodes, so it didn't take long. I really, really, really despise one thing that's emphasized over all others with these shows: Galactic Apocalypse. Every single season in Picard and STD is "everyone's gonna die!". It's just what flavor of universe-ending bullshit that differs. Only slight tweak to season 3 of STD is that an Apocalypse happened, caused by an incel Kelpian trapped in his mom's holo-basement. It's also painful when you realize that it's a blatant rip off of certain video game series.
Then you throw in space Jesusette and it just makes it all... nasty.
Like, sometimes I do think that people hyperventilate over "wokeshit" too much, but then I watch something like this and go, "Okay, they're pretty justified in their views."
Still can't stand Doomcock's reviews. I'll stick with Major Grin and SFDebris jabs at the shows.
Then you throw in space Jesusette and it just makes it all... nasty.
Like, sometimes I do think that people hyperventilate over "wokeshit" too much, but then I watch something like this and go, "Okay, they're pretty justified in their views."
Still can't stand Doomcock's reviews. I'll stick with Major Grin and SFDebris jabs at the shows.
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This seems to be happening in all media. New Guardians of The Galaxy Game: Galaxy destroying evil. New Dr Who: Universe Destroying Evil. Mass Effect: Andromeda, ok, yea, I have no idea what the fuck that was.
We have to go BIGGER... BIGGER... It's been getting larger and more stupid for years. Babylon 5 had a galaxy destroying evil way back when and plenty of shows before it, but now it's literally everything doing it.
Ragtag team of misfits saves the planet/galaxy/universe.
How about Ragtag team of misfits saves kitten from tree.
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It's more of an "on the street" story. That's how JMS got it greenlit.
There's one major space battle versus EarthForce. There's a "war room". A lot of suspense and build-up. But ultimately, Sheridan talks the bad guys into submission. He's cut from the same cloth as Kirk and Picard.
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Travoltron
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Some of the TNG movies had the opposite problem of low stakes, like in Generations when Soran plans to destroy some random planet we've never heard of before and never see. Can they just go back to the old "stop the destruction of Earth" routine? It may not be exactly original, but it works as a storytelling device.
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As someone who believes that Trek's optimism is necessary for Trek to be Trek, I agree this is a problem for the writers. Voyager is composed of scientifically minded geniuses-who can plausibly science the shit out of most of their problems-Janeway, B'Lanna, Seven, the Doctor, etc... From a narrative and writing POV-this is bad because well there is no drama or pathos in that. From an IU science fiction POV it does make more sense.
That's an issue with the 29th century time ships and the implied advances of the 25th-through 30th centuries: intergalactic travel, time travel, much faster FTL, interdimensional travel(DS9 had devices that could just casually transfer characters to the Mirror Universe), and so on. Hell, I thought Nog losing his leg was inconsistent with the setting as depicted, but they didn't want a story where Bashir just whipped up a replacement for him.
Fact is, you reach a point where you can't have human pathos and drama when the tech is just that good. So you either do a hackneyed collapse narrative, or you find someway to make the pathos and human stories work within the uber advanced sci fi framework-the former is much much easier than the latter.
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The actual technical details of the line don't matter, Alec Guinness was just reacting to absolute bullshit from a bullshit artist, he didn't need to be an astrophysicist to realize he was listening to bullshit. Han Solo was a bullshit artist.
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Unpopular opinion but Janeway is not near as bad as said by some.
She both wants to explore and do Starfleet shit, and she wants to get her crew home at any cost. She's extremely principled(often to the point of suicidal stupidity like in Prey) but does have her moments of vulnerability like in Counterpoint or Workforce.
She shows some other consistent character traits-like having an agnostic/barely veiled disdain for religious belief(consistent within the setting tbf), extreme aggressiveness if pressed, but a generally diplomatic outlook.
None of this is inconsistent, at least to me. Maybe its because I binge watch the show and didn't see it on air, but Janeway's character seems consistent and generally good to me. If I were a crewmen on Voyager, I think I'd be confident that Janeway had my best interests in mind(most of the time).
She both wants to explore and do Starfleet shit, and she wants to get her crew home at any cost. She's extremely principled(often to the point of suicidal stupidity like in Prey) but does have her moments of vulnerability like in Counterpoint or Workforce.
She shows some other consistent character traits-like having an agnostic/barely veiled disdain for religious belief(consistent within the setting tbf), extreme aggressiveness if pressed, but a generally diplomatic outlook.
None of this is inconsistent, at least to me. Maybe its because I binge watch the show and didn't see it on air, but Janeway's character seems consistent and generally good to me. If I were a crewmen on Voyager, I think I'd be confident that Janeway had my best interests in mind(most of the time).
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[QUOTE="Shamash, post: 10448620, member:
but Janeway's character seems consistent and generally good to me.
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Wat?
but Janeway's character seems consistent and generally good to me.
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Wat?
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Kate Mulgrew is a good actress, but the character was one hell of a martinet, to the point where even her future self called her out on it in the finale. Moreover, she was inconsistent in the worst way: refusing to engage in realpolitik with the Kazon, Traib, Vidiians, etc because of the spirit of the Prime Directive, but weakly rules lawyering her way to intervening with a medieval civilization in order to dick over some Feregi. Seska spelled it out with alphabet blocks why the Prime Directive didn't apply and how they could use that to their advantage, but Janeway was too pig-headed to listen. (Fuck, that show had so many missed opportunities.)
She never did anything as reprehensible as "Dear Doctor," but that's a low fucking bar.
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When Mulgrew talks about her experiences in the early days of shooting, and how the suits were on set every single day waiting for her to slip up or to give them some excuse to recast the part, it's suddenly very apparent why Bujold left.
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The problem is, like I mentioned in the High Guardian Spice thread, that the writers involved in most of modern media are terrible at their jobs and couldn't write a proper plot to save their lives. In Star Trek case, they are this basic: "is this located in space? Then it's about the u n i v e r s e in danger, because they travel across the universe, get it? get it?" Writing about how the big bad wants to destroy the universe is perhaps the easiest plot to make up, that's why it's so cliché and tiresome. It's easier to simply write about the universe being in danger, some political equivalent, and gay stuff: for the common, basic bitch writer, their skills won't allow them to do more.
Thing is, Star Trek is about ethics and morals. It's about how technology has improved people's lives, but how this comes with a new different set of ethical dilemmas that they are discovering in the same way previous generations did when they faced new problems. Or worse, how humans keep making the same mistakes. There is one episode when Starfleet had to relocate a full colony because the planet was in a region that belonged to a species that didn't want them there. It was a subplot, but it's the same issue you see when studying colonisation IRL.
Now, let's be honest: you think that any of these fuckers who thinks everybody who disagrees with them is a nazi has any capacity to write a nuanced story involved morals and ethics?
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Kirk and Picard aren't cut from the same cloth...
Proving that was pretty much the only good thing that came out of Generations.
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Fun fact - it was planned (but never came to fruition) to show that the Future Soldiers present in Q's post-apocalyptic court from "Encounter at Farpoint" belonged to Colonel Green's faction.