Sony hate thread

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

The system isn't powerful enough first off that's why it gets very late ports, meanwhile Sony has far greater reach in global penetration than nintendo does and wider demographics that buy it's systems. The Switch isn't the be all end all when it comes to third parties because of most of Nintendo's base is buying it for Nintendo's own games and not third party ports. A nintendo first party release clouds out every other release under it, meanwhile consoles that don't have Nintendo games during that same month wouldn't suffer that.

Power is irrelevant here. There are plenty of games that the Switch can handle fine, they just don't get ported, so power isn't an argument in that situation. Second, Nintendo's global reach is just as wide reaching as Sony's, particularly in the markets that matter (the U.S., Europe, Asia, and Japan), so that argument is also both wrong and irrelevant. Third, Switch is the best selling console in the world, and well on its way to being one of the best selling consoles ever made, and its selling to a wide audience, so arguments on demographics fail immediately. Fourth, if third party games were getting crowded out of the platform the way you describe, no third party company would ever bother to release a third party game on the console, or release exclusives on it. Both of those things are untrue, so that argument also falls flat on its face.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Power is irrelevant here. There are plenty of games that the Switch can handle fine, they just don't get ported, so power isn't an argument in that situation. Second, Nintendo's global reach is just as wide reaching as Sony's, particularly in the markets that matter (the U.S., Europe, Asia, and Japan), so that argument is also both wrong and irrelevant. Third, Switch is the best selling console in the world, and well on its way to being one of the best selling consoles ever made, and its selling to a wide audience, so arguments on demographics fail immediately. Fourth, if third party games were getting crowded out of the platform the way you describe, no third party company would ever bother to release a third party game on the console, or release exclusives on it. Both of those things are untrue, so that argument also falls flat on its face.

Nintendo's global reach isn't as wide, Playstation and not only that Sony as a whole is a far larger entity than Nintendo. Playstation makes 27 billion dollars in quarterly revenue while Nintendo only makes around 15 billion. Sony has a massive media arm that's now making films and shows about playstation games to serve as advertisements, they have streaming platforms and animation studios as well who are also involved in this. Sony also has a far larger online network than Nintendo does where it generates revenue from playstation itself. Meanwhile Nintendo is having to partner with outside companies to do the same because they currently lack those capabilities.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Nintendo's global reach isn't as wide, Playstation and not only that Sony as a whole is a far larger entity than Nintendo. Playstation makes 27 billion dollars in quarterly revenue while Nintendo only makes around 15 billion. Sony has a massive media arm that's now making films and shows about playstation games to serve as advertisements, they have streaming platforms and animation studios as well who are also involved in this. Meanwhile Nintendo is having to partner with outside companies to do the same.

A company's relative size has nothing to do with its global reach. Nintendo sells its consoles in the exact same countries that Sony does. That's all that really matters here since its video games we are talking about. Everything you mentioned is largely irrelevant.

 

[Marissa Moira]

A company's relative size has nothing to do with its global reach. Nintendo sells its consoles in the exact same countries that Sony does. That's all that really matters here since its video games we are talking about. Everything you mentioned is largely irrelevant.

It's really not irrelevant because Sony can take on far larger burdens for game developers and cover far more costs for them.

Crunchyroll is putting forth funding for shows that are intended to grow the audience on Playstation even if the games are multiplatform

Legend of Heroes are getting brand new ports for the PS5 mostly because of this.

Sony is also way more willing to cover costs for advertising like they did with Monster Hunter World and even smaller games like Samurai Maidens.

 

[Pissmaster]

@BananaSplit²

The one thing I don't get is what is wrong with Japanese third parties? Why are they so hesitant to go over to the Switch. As the old business adage goes, you go where the audience is, and the audience in Japan is on Switch. At this point, if you are hesitant to put your games on Switch, you just don't want money.

There was an article a couple of months ago on why Ryu Ga Gotoku Studios won't port Like a Dragon 8 (or anything Yakuza) to Switch:

Like a Dragon too violent and "underground" for Nintendo Switch, says…

archived 6 Nov 2022 00:38:34 UTC

archive.ph

https://www.eurogamer.net/like-a-dr...underground-for-nintendo-switch-says-producer

Yokoyama cited the "family-friendly image of the Switch" as the reason why the studio wishes to keep Yakuza off the console. And yes, Kiryu slamming someone's head in a microwave at a convenience store and asking the employee to "heat this junk up" isn't exactly wholesome.

Yokoyama, who also served as producer for Yakuza: Like a Dragon, continued, sharing that the studio considers the Yakuza series as having an "underground kind of feeling". "We don't want to be like walking around the day with everybody else," he said, contrasting Yakuza to the lighter tone of games that come to mind when you think of Nintendo, like Mario.

It's clearly BS considering Switch has the likes of fuckin' Postal available, so my actual guess would be that Dragon Engine's too much of a hassle to port down to Switch. It already struggles on base models of PS4 and especially Xbox One. Though they don't have an excuse for not porting over pre-Dragon Engine games.

Seems ludicrous to me that they've got a big popular JRPG franchise that they're just putting on everything BUT the #1 JRPG console, when their own subsidiary's also developing Shin Megami Tensei for Switch, and porting Persona all around. @Vyse Inglebard could also attest to how ludicrous it is that they're not porting Skies of Arcadia to everything, but that's Sega for you. They're the idiot savants of the game industry, just constantly churning out garbage, with a revolutionary masterpiece every once in a blue moon.

 

[Marissa Moira]

There was an article a couple of months ago on why Ryu Ga Gotoku Studios won't port Like a Dragon 8 (or anything Yakuza) to Switch:

Like a Dragon too violent and "underground" for Nintendo Switch, says…

archived 6 Nov 2022 00:38:34 UTC

archive.ph

https://www.eurogamer.net/like-a-dr...underground-for-nintendo-switch-says-producer



It's clearly BS considering Switch has the likes of fuckin' Postal available, so my actual guess would be that Dragon Engine's too much of a hassle to port down to Switch. It already struggles on base models of PS4 and especially Xbox One. Though they don't have an excuse for not porting over pre-Dragon Engine games.

Seems ludicrous to me that they've got a big popular JRPG franchise that they're just putting on everything BUT the #1 JRPG console, when their own subsidiary's also developing Shin Megami Tensei for Switch, and porting Persona all around. @Vyse Inglebard could also attest to how ludicrous it is that they're not porting Skies of Arcadia to everything, but that's Sega for you. They're the idiot savants of the game industry, just constantly churning out garbage, with a revolutionary masterpiece every once in a blue moon.

LAD 7 couldn't run on the switch, the Yakuza series in general is just absent from it. But without the switch the series is already over 70% bought by westerners. Most JRPGs at this point are bought by the west and the last few hold outs are already seeing their audience convert to westerners as well. That and Sony has made deals for games like Ishin.

The family friendly image thing isn't wrong, while games like Postal are on the switch, they by no means being frontlined. Nintendo doesn't even promote their own exclusives like Xenoblade as main Nintendo franchises to much the same degree as newer IPs like Splatoon. And going into 2023 they're going to have Mario and the regulars take the spotlight for the movies. So yeah Nintendo is actively gunning for children and man children(Mario is apparently from New York for the movie, 35+ year old lore is accurate again).

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

The Wii U versions of the first two Yakuza games sold horribly. This could be the main reason the series hasn't come to the Switch.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The Wii U versions of the first two Yakuza games sold horribly. This could be the main reason the series hasn't come to the Switch.

Sega's reason was that Ghosts of Tsushima sold well and that they wanted to get in on that player demographic with Ishin. It's coming for PS5, XSX, and PC.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Sega's reason was that Ghosts of Tsushima sold well and that they wanted to get in on that player demographic with Ishin. It's coming for PS5, XSX, and PC.

Brave didn't block this ad. Why?

 

[Marissa Moira]

Brave didn't block this ad. Why?

It's clearly not as brave as you think if it's afraid of me.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Seems ludicrous to me that they've got a big popular JRPG franchise that they're just putting on everything BUT the #1 JRPG console, when their own subsidiary's also developing Shin Megami Tensei for Switch, and porting Persona all around. @Vyse Inglebard could also attest to how ludicrous it is that they're not porting Skies of Arcadia to everything, but that's Sega for you. They're the idiot savants of the game industry, just constantly churning out garbage, with a revolutionary masterpiece every once in a blue moon.

^THIS. For more detail, see my post on them from earlier this year below:

They're fortunate though, because unlike my hopeless situation, Nintendo might actually listen to them every once in a while. Metroid Dread, WarioWare: Get it Together, etc. And even when they don't, their lineup of new stuff is usually intriguing enough to warrant at least a passing glance.

Unlike SEGA, who are content to piss away their money exclusively on Sonic games, Yakuza games, and Persona games. Occasionally you get a Sonic Mania, or a Streets of Rage 4, or an Alex Kidd DX but those are few and far between.

Notice also how, whenever SEGA does get off their lazy asses and does something with their legacy franchises, it's always Genesis/Master System titles. Want a Blue Stinger remake, or a Skies of Arcadia remaster, or a new Virtua Cop, or a new Billy Hatcher? Well, no, sorry. But, we DO have a Woke FPS in the works from the Alien: Isolation devs, and an open-world Sonic game that may or may not be total shit, that totally makes up for it right?!

TL;DR: Being a fan of Ninty's lesser-known franchises at least has a chance of paying off eventually. Being a fan of SEGA's lesser-known franchises (that aren't primarily on the Genesis/Master System) is just setting yourself up for massive disappointment after massive disappointment, for all eternity.

 

[Marissa Moira]

^THIS. For more detail, see my post on them from earlier this year below:

You're getting your Anthropomorphic Badger Aika reference and you're going to like it

Maybe Vyse and Fina will show up as furries too?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I find it weird that Skies of Arcadia hasn't had an HD remaster. Grandia and Tales of Symphonia are from around the same era and have had them. There's definitely a market for rereleases of these sorts of games. Personally, I'm longing for the day Rogue Galaxy leaves Sony consoles.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I find it weird that Skies of Arcadia hasn't had an HD remaster. Grandia and Tales of Symphonia are from around the same era and have had them.

The owners of Tales of Symphonia and Grandia actually recognize there's a market for those games. SEGA are just content to shove blue hedgehog anus in the public's face until SOMETHING sticks, while also hyperfocusing on Japanese gangsters and demon-possessed high schoolers. Maybe a Genesis/Master System franchise, if they feel like it that day. But, if fucking PANZER DRAGOON can come back, maybe the Blue Rogues might get their second chance too, one day.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The owners of Tales of Symphonia and Grandia actually recognize there's a market for those games. SEGA are just content to shove blue hedgehog anus in the public's face until SOMETHING sticks, while also hyperfocusing on Japanese gangsters and demon-possessed high schoolers. Maybe a Genesis/Master System franchise, if they feel like it that day. But, if fucking PANZER DRAGOON can come back, maybe the Blue Rogues might get their second chance too, one day.

Just think about it, if Sonic Frontiers doesn't bomb it will likely lead to a sonic RPG where all of the new characters are based on pre-existing sega references and they'll include Sticks and company and you can get Furry Skies of Arcadia with Sonic as a party member.

I find it weird that Skies of Arcadia hasn't had an HD remaster. Grandia and Tales of Symphonia are from around the same era and have had them. There's definitely a market for rereleases of these sorts of games. Personally, I'm longing for the day Rogue Galaxy leaves Sony consoles.

We're likely going to get more Gravity Rush before Rogue Galaxy ever sees the light of day again. Gravity Rush at least has new media coming sometime between now and the release of Elder Scrolls 6. Hell Ape Escape is being kept around and new apes are being made for it. The problem with Sony is that they adopted Nintendo's way of communicating which is not much or none at all. They used to be more open in the past about what they've been working on and they even now have a whole game preservation team. Updates to old games are not even advertised and have been mostly found by other users before the company makes any type of formal statement. They're now only announcing things way closer to release date than doing what they did before and announcing stuff 3-4 years out and then people waiting.

 

[The Last Stand]

Just think about it, if Sonic Frontiers doesn't bomb it will likely lead to a sonic RPG where all of the new characters are based on pre-existing sega references and they'll include Sticks and company and you can get Furry Skies of Arcadia with Sonic as a party member.


We're likely going to get more Gravity Rush before Rogue Galaxy ever sees the light of day again. Gravity Rush at least has new media coming sometime between now and the release of Elder Scrolls 6. Hell Ape Escape is being kept around and new apes are being made for it. The problem with Sony is that they adopted Nintendo's way of communicating which is not much or none at all. They used to be more open in the past about what they've been working on and they even now have a whole game preservation team. Updates to old games are not even advertised and have been mostly found by other users before the company makes any type of formal statement. They're now only announcing things way closer to release date than doing what they did before and announcing stuff 3-4 years out and then people waiting.

Welcome back.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Just think about it, if Sonic Frontiers doesn't bomb it will likely lead to a sonic RPG where all of the new characters are based on pre-existing sega references and they'll include Sticks and company and you can get Furry Skies of Arcadia with Sonic as a party member.

I don't want Furry SoA. I want actual SoA. Gimme dashing Vyse, fiery Aika, Aryan waifu Fina, grumpy grandpa Drachma, womanizer Gilder, rapist Vigoro, seasick Enrique, evil Galcian and his gay lover Ramirez, every-damn-body. No woke bullshit, either. And re-translated, uncut.
*insert rainbow here*

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

It's really not irrelevant because Sony can take on far larger burdens for game developers and cover far more costs for them.

Crunchyroll is putting forth funding for shows that are intended to grow the audience on Playstation even if the games are multiplatform
https://youtube.com/watch?v=F2glhadOL5ILegend of Heroes are getting brand new ports for the PS5 mostly because of this.

Sony is also way more willing to cover costs for advertising like they did with Monster Hunter World and even smaller games like Samurai Maidens.

Literally none of this relevant to anything I said. None of it.

Welcome back.

Nah, he can fuck off again. This thread was literally ten times better when he was gone.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Literally none of this relevant to anything I said. None of it.

I disagree those were examples of how sony has a wider reach and are more embedded in places because they have access to other resources that Nintendo doesn't as well as access to more cash resources in order to promote a game. The game in turn then gets purchased more on their platform than their competition.

 

[The Last Stand]

I disagree those were examples of how sony has a wider reach and are more embedded in places because they have access to other resources that Nintendo doesn't as well as access to more cash resources in order to promote a game. The game in turn then gets purchased more on their platform than their competition.

The advantage Sony would have over Nintendo is with technical power with their consoles. Even so, power doesn't mean anything when the games are crap.