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$120 for the year, which is the tier with classic games and cloud gaming. $100 really should be the max for it
Are you talking about this? It would be $240.

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Are you talking about this? It would be $240.

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that pic is a fake, even got the names wrong
the highest one

PlayStation Plus Premium**​

Benefits

  • Provides all the benefits from Essential and Extra tiers
  • Adds up to 340* additional games, including:
    • PS3 games available via cloud streaming
    • A catalog of beloved classic games available in both streaming and download options from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations
  • Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.***
  • Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.
Price*

  • United States
    • $17.99 monthly / $49.99 quarterly / $119.99 yearly
  • Europe
    • €16.99 monthly / €49.99 quarterly / €119.99 yearly
  • United Kingdom
    • £13.49 monthly / £39.99 quarterly / £99.99 yearly
  • Japan
    • ¥1,550 – monthly / ¥4,300 – quarterly / ¥10,250 yearly
  • PlayStation Plus Deluxe (Select Markets) For markets without cloud streaming, PlayStation Plus Deluxe will be offered at a lower price compared to Premium, and includes a catalog of beloved classic games from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations to download and play, along with time-limited game trials. Benefits from Essential and Extra tiers are also included. Local pricing will vary by market.
 
that pic is a fake, even got the names wrong
the highest one

PlayStation Plus Premium**​

Benefits

  • Provides all the benefits from Essential and Extra tiers
  • Adds up to 340* additional games, including:
    • PS3 games available via cloud streaming
    • A catalog of beloved classic games available in both streaming and download options from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations
  • Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.***
  • Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.
Price*

  • United States
    • $17.99 monthly / $49.99 quarterly / $119.99 yearly
  • Europe
    • €16.99 monthly / €49.99 quarterly / €119.99 yearly
  • United Kingdom
    • £13.49 monthly / £39.99 quarterly / £99.99 yearly
  • Japan
    • ¥1,550 – monthly / ¥4,300 – quarterly / ¥10,250 yearly
  • PlayStation Plus Deluxe (Select Markets) For markets without cloud streaming, PlayStation Plus Deluxe will be offered at a lower price compared to Premium, and includes a catalog of beloved classic games from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations to download and play, along with time-limited game trials. Benefits from Essential and Extra tiers are also included. Local pricing will vary by market.
My mistake. Even still, nothing they offer is even worth what they charge now.
 
The m2 that I was mentioning was actually a NVMe (a Samsung 970 EVO to be more exact) so my mistake and apologies for not being clear enough. Though I still doubt the differences between a NVMe and a sata SSD are significant enough for the loading times of videogames.
I tested it a little bit when I set up my new computer with Yakuza 7 and Fallout 4, and both had similar results. In both games, points where HDD load times could be like 40 seconds were just a couple of seconds on the NVMe, and somewhere around 5-6 on the SATA. Short loading screens were instant on the NVME, a second on the SATA (the loading screen would appear and vanish before you could read the hint), and still like 10 seconds on the HDD. It was fun to watch the law of diminishing returns in action. It was also fun feeling a new sense of resentment towards modern games having astronomical file sizes, since SSDs measured in terabytes still aren't cheap.

Just glancing through Metacritic, picking 10 that stand out to me and have good scores:

The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
Thief: The Dark Project
Clive Barker's Undying
Aliens Versus Predator 2
SHOGO: Mobile Armor Division
System Shock 2
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II
Severance: Blade of Darkness
FarCry
Riven: The Sequel to Mist

And there's also a bunch of LucasArts games, and actually a lot of other interesting stuff too. I'm not sure Obsidian or ANACHRONOX count as high profile so I didn't list them, but they seem good.

At any rate, there was definitely a good selection of PC exclusives, I think that only started to really diminish during the 7th gen.
I really don't know much at all about any of those. I'd guess it's just the remnants of momentum from the DOS days? I dunno, I didn't experience much of that era of PC games.
 
I really don't know much at all about any of those. I'd guess it's just the remnants of momentum from the DOS days? I dunno, I didn't experience much of that era of PC games.
Even as a non-PC gamer a few of them stood out to me, before I even looked I had System Shock in mind (I heard BioShock is like a spiritual successor to the series or something).

But yeah, most of them don't seem to be around anymore except Elder Scrolls and FarCry. We'd know if Mist was still getting games, it'd have a dumb name like "Rain: The Sequel to Riven Which Was the Sequel to Mist".
 
I really don't know much at all about any of those. I'd guess it's just the remnants of momentum from the DOS days? I dunno, I didn't experience much of that era of PC games.
You've never heard of Thief, Elder Scrolls II, System Shock, Far Cry, or Jedi Knight and call yourself a gamer? For shame dude, for shame. Even if you were a console gamer, you heard of those.
Even as a non-PC gamer a few of them stood out to me, before I even looked I had System Shock in mind (I heard BioShock is like a spiritual successor to the series or something).

But yeah, most of them don't seem to be around anymore except Elder Scrolls and FarCry. We'd know if Mist was still getting games, it'd have a dumb name like "Rain: The Sequel to Riven Which Was the Sequel to Mist".
Most of them not being around now is mostly due to bad management by video game companies (as usual). The last Thief game, made under the aegis of Square Enix, was shit, like almost everything else former Eidos has made since being acquired by Square. Alien versus Predator was taken over by Sega, who released a new game two generations ago prior to releasing Alien: Isolation. Jedi Knight never go a sequel after the fourth game, despite being widely considered one of the best Star Wars game series, period. And with Disney's ownership, it will probably never get a sequel. Shogo and Undying were one-shots that never got sequels, despite being pretty well known and highly regarded at the time. Severance is the only one I'm not familiar with.
 
You've never heard of Thief, Elder Scrolls II, System Shock, Far Cry, or Jedi Knight and call yourself a gamer? For shame dude, for shame. Even if you were a console gamer, you heard of those.
I've heard of all of them but Severance, but the only ones I've ever even tried were System Shock 2 and Jedi Knight. I grew up with a Mac, and Mac gaming in the 90s was a total joke. Imagine being young and going through the PC game aisle at Target, only to see everything saying it's for DOS/Windows, all except for like, Math Blaster. There were some good games that got Mac ports, but they were generally way overpriced and only sold in Mac-specific shops, and weren't even on the shelves for longer than a moment. I remember seeing The Sims vanilla for Mac with a $50 price tag, when the Windows version was $20 and came with several expansion packs.

That being said, there's a lot of random and bizarre stuff out there for old Apple computers, and it's largely untapped by YouTubers. If you want to go exploring, go install Sheepshaver and Basilisk II, and start digging through Macintosh Garden and Archive.org for software. And keep an eye out for weird-ass Hypercard stacks :tomgirl:

Maybe I'll dive into early Windows/late DOS gaming at some point, like if I come across some big DOSBox HDD image with Windows 95 and a bunch of games installed, but I just don't have much nostalgia for it.
 
You've never heard of Thief, Elder Scrolls II, System Shock, Far Cry, or Jedi Knight and call yourself a gamer? For shame dude, for shame. Even if you were a console gamer, you heard of those.
I can understand someone under 30 not knowing about Thief and System Shock. Despite how influential they are, they're in Ultima and Wizardry's situation. Ask someone in their 20's if they've heard of Ultima or Wizardry. They'll probably say they haven't. I'm sure there's a depressing amount of people that have never heard of Quake or Half-Life.
 
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PD actually did it. They added a car to the Legendary Dealer, that costs as much as the maximum amount of earned in-game credits that you can have, 20 million. Combine that with the 5 million Aston Martin, and the 6.25 million AMG, the FOMO tactics and the microtransaction temptations are not even subtle at all.
 
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While PCs had them they were far from mainstream.

Everyone on PC getting filtered by Elden Ring's system requirements proved this because they were all playing on machines that were made before SSDs were affordable by most consumers.

There's a huge price difference and most people opted for the cheaper and bigger normal hard drives.
You Sony fags don't know thing one about PC gaming. Do some reasarch sometimes.
 
tbh I just want bloodborne on pc :c
The closest you could get to that experience is playing it via PS Now on a pc, I hope you have fast internet though, because I'd imagine with a game like that it would not be very pleasant if you didn't.

There is a very basic PS4 emulator that does kinda work, but it's pretty broken and not optimised well, if you're really that desperate I suppose. It is being supported and worked by a few groups so eventually over time it will probably be workable, but that could take years, just like with the PS3 emulator that is still very muddy.

Emulation is still very much king though, for everything else pre xbox360/ps3 you can play so much good shit even with a subpar or average PC, since these days it can be very hard and expensive to find older legacy and retro consoles, Sony is sitting on a absolute goldmine with the entire library of their past systems, but they've really been sloppy tapping into that market, and if this new PS Plus scheme falls flat on its face, I don't think they're ever going to realise that there is a fairly strong demand and market for people who want to play past Sony titles from their new hardware.
 
The closest you could get to that experience is playing it via PS Now on a pc, I hope you have fast internet though, because I'd imagine with a game like that it would not be very pleasant if you didn't.
boi i'm on 3/mbs rn. It took me almost a week to download Elden Ring
There is a very basic PS4 emulator that does kinda work, but it's pretty broken and not optimised well, if you're really that desperate I suppose. It is being supported and worked by a few groups so eventually over time it will probably be workable, but that could take years, just like with the PS3 emulator that is still very muddy.
I'll just wait/not play it I guess
 
after reading this thread, i've come to the conclusion that Tales of Arise sounds like generic moe shit and you cannot convince me otherwise
It doesn't meet the given definition of moe. It's like calling Record of the Lodoss War or El Hazard moe.

It's pretty upfront Fantasy Anime stuff, all the Tales of games have been.
 
tbh I just want bloodborne on pc :c
There are already several ps4 emulators being actively developed in early stages , just give it a couple more years and you'll get to see sonygers seething again like they did when the ps3 version of persona 5 got near-perfect emulation.
 
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