RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[Random Internet Person]

The theories weigh some truth, especially when Roland Daggett mentioned Joel similarly being pushed to the side due to his own political leanings. That aside, from what Nick Rekieta had said was the story that went down involved a voice actor rallying the people at RT (Unknown who, but speculated to be Shannon McCormick) and the emails Monica Rial sent to Matt Hullum (Where he earned the title of Hullum the Cowardly Cuck) where he bought her bullshit like a complete fucking moron.

The kicker? Some guy who was a higher up spoke to Vic and said he didn’t believe the lies, but switched about two days later when Vic was terminated from his contract with Cuck Teeth.

Then we have the Three Stooges of Cuck Teeth (Miles Luna, Jen Brown, and Shannon McCormick) running their wang-warmers, while the rest kept theirs shut entirely with Barb only mentioning that Qrow wasn’t gonna die and that the voice actor isn’t tied to the character (Guess she forgot about Kathleen Zuelch) but honestly Barb is kinda a dumbass.

I'm not sure about what cliques there are because I don't care for Rooster Teeth that much, but some have said Barbara holds some weight in the way things go behind the scenes, Also Barb going all "VA isn't tied to the character" is kind of funny because 1. It's a well known fact that Yang is based on her and 2. This seems like another example of Barbara turning on a dime and having te show be as serious as she wants it. One minute she's talking about tough scenes and representation and recording lines that took a lot out of her and the next minute...well...It's a cartoon.

 

[Rondo Richter Belmont]

I'm not sure about what cliques there are because I don't care for Rooster Teeth that much, but some have said Barbara holds some weight in the way things go behind the scenes, Also Barb going all "VA isn't tied to the character" is kind of funny because 1. It's a well known fact that Yang is based on her and 2. This seems like another example of Barbara turning on a dime and having te show be as serious as she wants it. One minute she's talking about tough scenes and representation and recording lines that took a lot out of her and the next minute...well...It's a cartoon.

We don’t know what cliques there are, but the assumed primary “RWBY Clique” involves Miles and Kerry, Barb, Arryn (Why else would her word have so much weight?), maybe that new writer they got (Though, he wasn’t involved with the Vic situation IIRC), and more stooges I’m probably forgetting~ Say what you will about Newville and Zuelch, but they were absolutely right about the elitist clique shenanigans in Cuck Teeth and it sucks that they weren’t taken seriously at the time.

As for Barb, she’s just an inconsistent dumbass that parroted the Yurifags demands of Bumblebee (Arryn as well) and still doesn’t acknowledge that her quote about Qrow is hypocritical since Miles Luna seems determined to erase Glynda from the series (Chibi too), just because Cuck Teeth is still bootyblasted about the whole thing between them and Kathleen.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

We don’t know what cliques are there, but the assumed primary “RWBY Clique” involves Miles and Kerry, Barb, Arryn (Why else would her word have so much weight?), maybe that new writer they got (Though, he wasn’t involved with the Vic situation IIRC), and more stooges I’m probably forgetting~ Say what you will about Newville and Zuelch, they were absolutely right about the elitist clique shenanigans in Cuck Teeth and it sucks that they weren’t taken seriously at the time.

As for Barb, she’s just an inconsistent dumbass that parroted the Yurifags demands of Bumblebee (Arryn as well) and still doesn’t acknowledge that her quote about Qrow is hypocritical since Miles Luna seems determined to erase Glynda from the series (Chibi too), just because Cuck Teeth is still bootyblasted about the whole thing between them and Kathleen.

I'm wondering how much of that dumbness is because she's palling around the Rooster Cucks, how much of that is because of social media as she's supposed to be the one dealing with that, or how much of that is just where she hails from and/or currently resides in.

 

[Roland Daggett]

You know I've been thinking about the plot lately and is it just me or do the villains lack a sense of threat?

I know it's apple and oranges, but I remember watching say the first season of Madoka (haven't seen later seasons yet), and I recall feeling like the characters were in HUGE trouble. Or if you want something more mainstream, Infinity war with Thanos and the snap.

But, here, we got a whole season about the characters moping around about how dire the situation was (volume 4), and the main villain is ridiculously Overpowered given Salem is now immortal, and we know the gods are dicks that could kill everyone in a second.... yet I don't feel that "urgency", that the villains are that big of deal and that our heroes are in huge danger.

I mean, technically the villains have the firepower to be threatening, but none of the intimidation. In Avengers, them getting the infinity gems felt urgent, but RWBY's relics just feel like McGuffins that only exist to move the plot.

Or, Is it just me?

This is part of what I had mentioned before as Miles having no vision. When you're writing a story you have to take into account how things will be affected by one side or another winning. If you have the bad guys constantly lose by a huge margin then they'll never be taken seriously, but if the heroes constantly lose they just look pathetic. Striking a balance is very important. A writer who doesn't have any real idea of what they're doing or where they're going with things will never consider how things will come across. In Volume 3 Miles had the good guys all act like complete idiots and make every possible wrong decision no matter how out of character it was, and made all the villains ridiculously overpowered because he wanted a specific outcome: The good guys HAVE to lose. But with how everything is set up with literally HUNDREDS of Huntsmen/Huntresses in training on top of two Headmasters and a team of teachers who are also professional Huntsmen/Huntresses, there's no feasible way for Cinder to win. So Miles just made it happen regardless even if it made the good guys look like they were all completely idiotic.

Then we have the heroes looking like even bigger idiots trying to just walk across a continent when they have trains, planes, and automobiles that they could use to travel faster with literally no given explanation for why they don't use any kind of transportation (especially when freaking Oscar took a train and was in Mistral long before our heroes who made a possibly 6-8 month journey to the same destination). And the villains... send one idiot out to fight them. And it's not even Emerald and Mercury who would have been perfect to attack RNJR cause they have history with them and it would have given a chance for some interesting interactions, but that one guy who's so bland and unmemorable I can't remember his name. Okay I just looked him up and his name is Tyrian. Miles has no concept for how this makes any of the characters involved look. Both sides look like idiots with Salem's squad of idiots all sitting around trying to look menacing and failing the whole season cause they do nothing of value.

And fastforward to the Battle of Haven which by all accounts is a rematch of the Battle of Beacon and then inexplicably the good guys absolutely decimate the bad guys. The good guys have done zero real training since Volume 3, and that goes especially for Yang and Blake, the latter of which didn't train at all for a while and then comes back to easily destroy Adam who was one of the most devastatingly strong villains the show had. Even formerly overpowered characters like Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury all come off as complete incompetents who couldn't tie their shoelaces without help despite being ridiculously strong back in Volume 3. The good guys stomp them because Miles wanted the good guys to win so in order to force that outcome he had the bad guys all be idiots and the good guys become overpowered.

Where does that leave us? Well with a hell of a lot of questions about the power scale of the series. People want to complain about the power leveling in Dragon Ball but RWBY is so inconsistent that it will literally flip the power level of characters to force the outcome of the fight. Miles doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't think about how bad this looks. He just craps out a script for the season then doesn't give it a second thought. And it makes things so frustrating for anyone who's paying even the slightest attention to things. RWBY punishes you for thinking about the show cause everything will change at the drop of a hat. And their oh so precious dark and serious villains they proudly display all come off as morons who you can't take seriously, with heroes you also can't take seriously.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Miles doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't think about how bad this looks. He just craps out a script for the season then doesn't give it a second thought.

Miles is clearly surrounded by yes-men, he thinks his writing is flawless and loved by everybody. So much so, that any legitimate criticism you level at him gets you hand-waved, ignored, and/or blocked.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Miles is clearly surrounded by yes-men, he thinks his writing is flawless and loved by everybody. So much so, that any legitimate criticism you level at him gets you hand-waved, ignored, and/or blocked.

Floof vs. Barbara pretty much explains that if you ask me. Also, he actually used a Reddit AMA to say that Jaune isn’t his self insert.

 

[Roland Daggett]

Miles is clearly surrounded by yes-men, he thinks his writing is flawless and loved by everybody. So much so, that any legitimate criticism you level at him gets you hand-waved, ignored, and/or blocked.

Remember anyone who levels even a slight criticism against his writing is a hater. Clearly not a real fan cause only real fans get down on the floor and kiss his shoes. RT is definitely a hugbox for these losers to circlejerk over how amazing they are. Is it any wonder that Miles got such a huge ego when he has everyone around him sucking him off no matter how badly he failed at this job?

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Floof vs. Barbara pretty much explains that if you ask me. Also, he actually used a Reddit AMA to say that Jaune isn’t his self insert.

Right, that explains why Jaune is voiced by him, is a useless bitch like him, and is starting to look more and more like him.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Where does that leave us? Well with a hell of a lot of questions about the power scale of the series. People want to complain about the power leveling in Dragon Ball but RWBY is so inconsistent that it will literally flip the power level of characters to force the outcome of the fight. Miles doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't think about how bad this looks. He just craps out a script for the season then doesn't give it a second thought. And it makes things so frustrating for anyone who's paying even the slightest attention to things. RWBY punishes you for thinking about the show cause everything will change at the drop of a hat. And their oh so precious dark and serious villains they proudly display all come off as morons who you can't take seriously, with heroes you also can't take seriously.

Yeah, one thing I've noticed about RWBY's villains is that instead of making them win now and then or actually make them threatening, they just make them overpowered.

It doesn't matter how many powers you add to a villain if they are never going to win. It's like Salem and how she makes pseudo-philosophical speeches to make it seem as if she is saying something deep.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Where does that leave us? Well with a hell of a lot of questions about the power scale of the series. People want to complain about the power leveling in Dragon Ball but RWBY is so inconsistent that it will literally flip the power level of characters to force the outcome of the fight. Miles doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't think about how bad this looks. He just craps out a script for the season then doesn't give it a second thought. And it makes things so frustrating for anyone who's paying even the slightest attention to things. RWBY punishes you for thinking about the show cause everything will change at the drop of a hat. And their oh so precious dark and serious villains they proudly display all come off as morons who you can't take seriously, with heroes you also can't take seriously.

I could go on about DBZ and power levels and power scales, but I'll leave it as power scales may not work for Goku because all he's done is a result of his training and being a Saiyan, and Power Levels are nothing more than a narrative device, a running gag, or something in between. As for RWBY, I'm not sure if there was many rules in place. Semblances were played with fast and loose to the point where they admitted they didn't do a good job setting up rules for things like it (and Yang;s semblance went from being triggered by emotions to having to take hits to get it to work properly, to just always being rady to use apparently. Also, Aura comes across to me as a way to handwave characters taking blows that can kill them, and the passive/active debate takes a back seat to the fact that unless an Aura breaks, fights don't really matter, especially when Auras break at the same time. Also, as for the writing and second thoughts and how they come across, nobody would mind if they took some extra time to make a volume and volume out details, but apparently RT can't do that because that'd probably fuck the company because RWBY is their moneymaker.

Yeah, one thing I've noticed about RWBY's villains is that instead of making them win now and them or actually make them threatening, they just make them overpowered.

It doesn't matter how many powers you add to a villain if they are never going to win. It's like Salem and how she makes pseudo-philosophical speeches to make it seem as if she is saying something deep.

While there's a three part video essay a few pages ago that I feel is guilt tripping me into thinking otherwise, do you think that they really didn't do a good job at setting things up? Also, I don't think these has ever head of a stalemate because the fights Monty did were carefree flashy shit. Also also, Volume 6 and that backstory explains everything Salem does perfectly: it's the writers beating you over the head with the words "Salem, not Ozpin, is the real villain in this show".

 

[Mapo Tofu 2]

While there's a three part video essay a few pages ago that I feel is guilt tripping me into thinking otherwise, do you think that they really didn't do a good job at setting things up? Also, I don't think these has ever head of a stalemate because the fights Monty did were carefree flashy shit. Also also, Volume 6 and that backstory explains everything Salem does perfectly: it's the writers beating you over the head with the words "Salem, not Ozpin, is the real villain in this show".

Honestly, Ozpin is the best example on how to NOT write a morally gray character, You can make them scummy yeah but the thing is showing they do good too within those shady things, It seems more like all Ozpin does is fuck up each day and ruin everything with "Muh" kinda shit.

 

[Roland Daggett]

I could go on about DBZ and power levels and power scales, but I'll leave it as power scales may not work for Goku because all he's done is a result of his training and being a Saiyan, and Power Levels are nothing more than a narrative device, a running gag, or something in between. As for RWBY, I'm not sure if there was many rules in place. Semblances were played with fast and loose to the point where they admitted they didn't do a good job setting up rules for things like it (and Yang;s semblance went from being triggered by emotions to having to take hits to get it to work properly, to just always being rady to use apparently. Also, Aura comes across to me as a way to handwave characters taking blows that can kill them, and the passive/active debate takes a back seat to the fact that unless an Aura breaks, fights don't really matter, especially when Auras break at the same time. Also, as for the writing and second thoughts and how they come across, nobody would mind if they took some extra time to make a volume and volume out details, but apparently RT can't do that because that'd probably fuck the company because RWBY is their moneymaker.

I mean if you look at basic things like how team CVFY were shown to be really strong in Volume 2, then in Volume 3 they're nerfed all to hell for no reason other than to make Emerald and Mercury to look like they're better, and in Volume 3 Mercury is apparently fast enough to stop Ruby from using her super speed, then in Volume 5 Mercury and Emerald can barely do the most basic of attacks and get beaten easily by the same people who they should have stomped. Monty may have loved the Rule of Cool but he did think about how the characters fought. It looked good and you can understand WHY a character won. But starting from when Miles took over the fights just become a mess. And it's just gotten worse and worse because the fights are determined purely from who Miles wants to win for his story rather than what makes sense. So that's when you get those stupid Aura breaks that Volume 3 introduced so they could have "tension" in the fight which just became predictable as all hell. Monty's problem was more from a writing perspective with worldbuilding. While Semblances may have only been explained a handful of times it was far more consistent than anything the Miles era of RWBY have done.

While there's a three part video essay a few pages ago that I feel is guilt tripping me into thinking otherwise, do you think that they really didn't do a good job at setting things up? Also, I don't think these has ever head of a stalemate because the fights Monty did were carefree flashy shit. Also also, Volume 6 and that backstory explains everything Salem does perfectly: it's the writers beating you over the head with the words "Salem, not Ozpin, is the real villain in this show".

I don't understand how anyone can look at Ozpin and think he's evil. Salem is so over the top evil, even in her backstory exposition dump Salem was always an awful person. She literally got the entirety of humanity killed for her own petty motivations. Ozpin's "shady" activities are so freaking mild cause he IS actually fighting a demon lady who wants to destroy the world. He's never really come off as unreasonable except for the times when Miles tried to pander to the fans who hate Ozpin by having everyone act like Ozpin did HORRIFIC things when it's barely even notable. And the backstory makes Ozpin much more sympathetic cause he got a massively raw deal by being brought back to life and then punished for what Salem did and forced to be immortal until he dealt with Salem after the Brothers set him up to fail cause THEY made Salem immortal. The writing of this whole backstory is so awfully written it gives me a headache. But Ozpin never comes off as actually bad and Salem is clearly so far beyond evil it's laughable that there's anyone who actually thinks she's a good guy.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I mean if you look at basic things like how team CVFY were shown to be really strong in Volume 2, then in Volume 3 they're nerfed all to hell for no reason other than to make Emerald and Mercury to look like they're better, and in Volume 3 Mercury is apparently fast enough to stop Ruby from using her super speed, then in Volume 5 Mercury and Emerald can barely do the most basic of attacks and get beaten easily by the same people who they should have stomped. Monty may have loved the Rule of Cool but he did think about how the characters fought. It looked good and you can understand WHY a character won. But starting from when Miles took over the fights just become a mess. And it's just gotten worse and worse because the fights are determined purely from who Miles wants to win for his story rather than what makes sense. So that's when you get those stupid Aura breaks that Volume 3 introduced so they could have "tension" in the fight which just became predictable as all hell. Monty's problem was more from a writing perspective with worldbuilding. While Semblances may have only been explained a handful of times it was far more consistent than anything the Miles era of RWBY have done.




I don't understand how anyone can look at Ozpin and think he's evil. Salem is so over the top evil, even in her backstory exposition dump Salem was always an awful person. She literally got the entirety of humanity killed for her own petty motivations. Ozpin's "shady" activities are so freaking mild cause he IS actually fighting a demon lady who wants to destroy the world. He's never really come off as unreasonable except for the times when Miles tried to pander to the fans who hate Ozpin by having everyone act like Ozpin did HORRIFIC things when it's barely even notable. And the backstory makes Ozpin much more sympathetic cause he got a massively raw deal by being brought back to life and then punished for what Salem did and forced to be immortal until he dealt with Salem after the Brothers set him up to fail cause THEY made Salem immortal. The writing of this whole backstory is so awfully written it gives me a headache. But Ozpin never comes off as actually bad and Salem is clearly so far beyond evil it's laughable that there's anyone who actually thinks she's a good guy.

I feel like Miles is more interested in voicing battery mascots than he is actually trying to fix his show, given from how awful the worldbuilding in the show is.

 

[Tanner Glass]

You know I've been thinking about the plot lately and is it just me or do the villains lack a sense of threat?

I know it's apple and oranges, but I remember watching say the first season of Madoka (haven't seen later seasons yet), and I recall feeling like the characters were in HUGE trouble. Or if you want something more mainstream, Infinity war with Thanos and the snap.

But, here, we got a whole season about the characters moping around about how dire the situation was (volume 4), and the main villain is ridiculously Overpowered given Salem is now immortal, and we know the gods are dicks that could kill everyone in a second.... yet I don't feel that "urgency", that the villains are that big of deal and that our heroes are in huge danger.

I mean, technically the villains have the firepower to be threatening, but none of the intimidation. In Avengers, them getting the infinity gems felt urgent, but RWBY's relics just feel like McGuffins that only exist to move the plot.

Or, Is it just me?

Not just you.

There's no urgency because there's no understanding - Avengers quickly establishes that Thanos is a threat (by explaining clearly what he intends to do) and establishing his army (and Generals) and quickly moves to explain his weapon of choice and how it works (the infinity gems). This information is conveyed constantly and clearly to the characters AND audience.

RWBY, conversely, after seven years, doesn't have anything resembling that understanding. Because of shoddy writing, people aren't super clear on Salem actually being the villian or if she is justified in doing what she is. We aren't sure how the enemies work (ex- what are the Grimm?), how the world words (sembence and aura rules), we still haven't nailed down how the heroes work (Ruby/Juane's powers, abilities, weapon) or the history they're building on (What happened to Summer and team STRQ?) - despite having nothing but time to do so, they're up to ~15 hours of show (aka like 7.5 movies).

The Grimm, in particular, are being treated as filler enemies. The kind of nameless/faceless hordes of enemies you'd find in a Marvel movie - just for Iron Man to kill them by the hundreds to show how strong he is (but they're animals/robots/clones whatever, so it's cool and there's no moral issues). There haven't been a ton of people v people fights (which were much more common early on) and the ones that should be amazing (Blake + Yang vs Adam) just come out as wet farts.

There's no urgency because no one is sure what the goals are - they have a vague idea of who the enemy is, no idea how to actually combat them, and a loose idea of what their goal might be.

 

[Fcret]

I'm not sure about what cliques there are because I don't care for Rooster Teeth that much, but some have said Barbara holds some weight in the way things go behind the scenes

This is an understatement. Barbara is one of the pillars at Rooster Teeth. She pretty much runs their social media presence, leads the bulk of their marketing, and even controls things like the conventions. She's so powerful that she routinely stands up to literal founders of the company like Bernie and gets away with it (the spat over the new office obviously wasn't just for show). Oh, and she literally gets equal billing with the company's full-time stars. Given her position as the professional damage control specialist for the company, I wouldn't be surprised if she's amassed a mountain of dirt to weaponize if things ever stop going her way.

Not that I really blame Barbara for using her power the way she has. Honestly, if she hadn't tried to exert some influence on the clusterfuck that is 2010s Rooster Teeth, the entire company probably would have been reduced to a smoldering ruin long before now.

Basically, imagine this video as a microcosm of how things actually work at RT, with a bunch of manchildren clowning around while Barbara, the only real adult in the room, tries to get work done so the company doesn't go under, and you get why she's so powerful.

 

[Random Internet Person]

This is an understatement. Barbara is one of the pillars at Rooster Teeth. She pretty much runs their social media presence, leads the bulk of their marketing, and even controls things like the conventions. She's so powerful that she routinely stands up to literal founders of the company like Bernie and gets away with it (the spat over the new office obviously wasn't just for show). Oh, and she literally gets equal billing with the company's full-time stars. Given her position as the professional damage control specialist for the company, I wouldn't be surprised if she's amassed a mountain of dirt to weaponize if things ever stop going her way.

Not that I really blame Barbara for using her power the way she has. Honestly, if she hadn't tried to exert some influence on the clusterfuck that is 2010s Rooster Teeth, the entire company probably would have been reduced to a smoldering ruin long before now.

Basically, imagine this video as a microcosm of how things actually work at RT, with a bunch of manchildren clowning around while Barbara, the only real adult in the room, tries to get work done so the company doesn't go under, and you get why she's so powerful.

With the way things have gone this year, do you think that we should be surprised that RT has managed to avoid even taking a dent to their reputation for this long?

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

With the way things have gone this year, do you think that we should be surprised that RT has managed to avoid even taking a dent to their reputation for this long?

Well if Barb's the only one even trying to make sure Warner doesn't close their asses down, then I assume so.

 

[Fougaro]

Tfw Yang is the only adult there.

Speaking of the team, I have a question regarding Miles Luna since I'm definitely missing some puzzle pieces. If I'm not mistaken, Miles was involved in writing some (allegedly) acclaimed episodes of Red vs Blue (which I never had the chance to watch). If that is the case, what exactly went wrong? Did Miles have another writer back then to tard wrangle him like Aaron Ehasz (I think) did with Bryke back in Avatar: The Last Airbender? Were said Red vs. Blue episodes just lucky flukes? Did Miles have a stroke later? If that is the case, I think I understand why Monty would think that picking Miles is a rational choice.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Tfw Yang is the only adult there.

Speaking of the team, I have a question regarding Miles Luna since I'm definitely missing some puzzle pieces. If I'm not mistaken, Miles was involved in writing some (allegedly) acclaimed episodes of Red vs Blue (which I never had the chance to watch). If that is the case, what exactly went wrong? Did Miles have another writer back then to tard wrangle him like Aaron Ehasz (I think) did with Bryke back in Avatar: The Last Airbender? Were said Red vs. Blue episodes just lucky flukes? Did Miles have a stroke later? If that is the case, I think I understand why Monty would think that picking Miles is a rational choice.

I can't speak to specifics, but it's likely an issue of scope.

An episode of a TV show (webshow, whatever) is very simple to write compared to several seasons of a similar show. When you're dealing with an episode, you have a very limited time frame and don't really have the ability to disrupt the narrative too much (no new major characters, no major new threads, etc).

Miles (might) be able to write OK in a specific setting and timeframe (episodes in an already established narrative) but is clearly out of his depth when given total control over a multiple season series.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I can't speak to specifics, but it's likely an issue of scope.

An episode of a TV show (webshow, whatever) is very simple to write compared to several seasons of a similar show. When you're dealing with an episode, you have a very limited time frame and don't really have the ability to disrupt the narrative too much (no new major characters, no major new threads, etc).

Miles (might) be able to write OK in a specific setting and timeframe (episodes in an already established narrative) but is clearly out of his depth when given total control over a multiple season series.

Sounds like Steven Moffat with Doctor Who.