RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Fougaro said:
Tfw Yang is the only adult there.

Speaking of the team, I have a question regarding Miles Luna since I'm definitely missing some puzzle pieces. If I'm not mistaken, Miles was involved in writing some (allegedly) acclaimed episodes of Red vs Blue (which I never had the chance to watch). If that is the case, what exactly went wrong? Did Miles have another writer back then to tard wrangle him like Aaron Ehasz (I think) did with Bryke back in Avatar: The Last Airbender? Were said Red vs. Blue episodes just lucky flukes? Did Miles have a stroke later? If that is the case, I think I understand why Monty would think that picking Miles is a rational choice.
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Considering how unprofessional and spergy Barbara acts I press X to doubt on her acting like an adult.

Here's the thing with Miles. I think if Miles is writing under someone and all he has to do is just write out some scenes then I think he's fine. Back in Volumes 1 and 2 Miles did write stuff that wasn't cringe inducing. There were some decent scenes and I'll give him and Kerry credit on that. But they're staff writers, not head writers. When Miles is writing a scene for someone else's story I think he can at least do a decent job. It's when Miles is completely in charge that he completely flies off the rails.
 
Miles is at his best writing wise when it's comedy verging on drama, like RVB's Chorous Trilogy, early RWBY or Camp Camp. Where his big weakness is is telling a larger story that has bigger stakes (and in general, Miles and RT Animation products have a real problem of "Slow first third that means the other portions are rushed to cover what the first third should have"), something he actually admitted after Volume 4 split the focus a good six ways.

It's also likely the case that Monty's notes were increasingly vague on what the plot would be and him and Kerry are frantically trying to write in between the lines.
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
It's also likely the case that Monty's notes were increasingly vague on what the plot would be and him and Kerry are frantically trying to write in between the lines.
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Despite what Hypeathon might have me believe, I have the feeling that the vagueness was because the story and notes were what Monty wrote on the first piece of paper he could find in five minutes after being told by the higher ups that his show needed to be more than fights and the story needed to be more than just justifying each fight. It'd explain the school setting and the "cute anime girls fight monsters" setup.
 
So because the manga begins to ship Black Sun and a certain ship's signature scene is cut out, people are beginning to drop it.

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First they cut out Jaune. No one complained because no one cared for Jaune.
Then they cut out Weiss's rants. No one complained because no one cared for Weiss.
Then they cut out Bumblebee. And suddenly people complain.
 
I'm starting to believe that I might have been a bit too harsh on Miles. Don't get me wrong, he's still incompetent at his job and him hiding from legit criticisms in his hugbox does him absolutely no favours, but if what you all say is true, it would explain a lot. Using Monty's notes as an orientation is pretty much akin to paleontology given how little we have.

I'm just still impressed by the fact that you have a basic bitch concept about making a silly cartoon about girls fighting bad guys and they still manage to fuck it up. The missed opportunities on how the show could have been unironically good and memorable is just rubbing salt in the wounds.

LordBaron said:
So because the manga begins to ship Black Sun and a certain ship's signature scene is cut out, people are beginning to drop it.

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First they cut out Jaune. No one complained because no one cared for Jaune.
Then they cut out Weiss's rants. No one complained because no one cared for Weiss.
Then they cut out Bumblebee. And suddenly people complain.
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Fun fact: Before they got desperate enough to let the shippers take over the wheel, they were blatantly setting up Blake x Sun, Weiss x Neptune (<- anyone remember him? Neither do I) and Ruby x Jaune.
 
Fougaro said:
I'm starting to believe that I might have been a bit too harsh on Miles. Don't get me wrong, he's still incompetent at his job and him hiding from legit criticisms in his hugbox does him absolutely no favours, but if what you all say is true, it would explain a lot. Using Monty's notes as an orientation is pretty much akin to paleontology given how little we have.

I'm just still impressed by the fact that you have a basic bitch concept about making a silly cartoon about girls fighting bad guys and they still manage to fuck it up. The missed opportunities on how the show could have been unironically good and memorable is just rubbing salt in the wounds.


Fun fact: Before they got desperate enough to let the shippers take over the wheel, they were blatantly setting up Blake x Sun, Weiss x Neptune (<- anyone remember him? Neither do I) and Ruby x Jaune.
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No Miles still absolutely deserves to be reamed for being not only an incompetent idiot, but also an immature baby who throws fits when people point out he's not the next Shakespeare. Not to mention how he went out of his way to slag Vic for brownie points. And after seeing all the points I'm firmly in the camp that Miles threw out everything Monty wanted, including any notes and the people who were close to Monty were pushed out of the show. I think while Volume 3 had remnants of Monty's ideas (by virtue of the fact that he died mid production) that was all done by Miles, and Volume 4 onward is purely Miles with zero content that was intended by Monty. All this talk about how "They're sticking to Monty's notes and outlines" is bullshit cause they don't have any care for what Monty wanted. They just parade the idea of Monty around to go "Hey fandom! Remember Monty? Love the show unconditionally!" And I'm pretty sure Monty's notes were minimal at best considering how much we know he changed things last minute and flew by the seat of his pants. I do not accept that Monty had 10 seasons worth of story completely planned out, and even if he did I doubt Miles would touch them.

I remember Neptune and think there was potential with Weiss and Neptune's relationship. But then it just.... got dropped. BlackSun was absolutely set up and was clearly meant to be endgame from the first scene Sun shows up in. Blake and Sun had the most obvious romantic development in the entire show and suddenly dropping it SIX YEARS after the show started for a random ship to please the crazy SJWs is beyond stupid. I will completely disagree with Ruby x Jaune because Jaune x Pyrrha was the one that was being set up. Jaune and Ruby just come off as friends.
 
Roland Daggett said:
No Miles still absolutely deserves to be reamed for being not only an incompetent idiot, but also an immature baby who throws fits when people point out he's not the next Shakespeare. Not to mention how he went out of his way to slag Vic for brownie points. And after seeing all the points I'm firmly in the camp that Miles threw out everything Monty wanted, including any notes and the people who were close to Monty were pushed out of the show. I think while Volume 3 had remnants of Monty's ideas (by virtue of the fact that he died mid production) that was all done by Miles, and Volume 4 onward is purely Miles with zero content that was intended by Monty. All this talk about how "They're sticking to Monty's notes and outlines" is bullshit cause they don't have any care for what Monty wanted. They just parade the idea of Monty around to go "Hey fandom! Remember Monty? Love the show unconditionally!" And I'm pretty sure Monty's notes were minimal at best considering how much we know he changed things last minute and flew by the seat of his pants. I do not accept that Monty had 10 seasons worth of story completely planned out, and even if he did I doubt Miles would touch them.

I remember Neptune and think there was potential with Weiss and Neptune's relationship. But then it just.... got dropped. BlackSun was absolutely set up and was clearly meant to be endgame from the first scene Sun shows up in. Blake and Sun had the most obvious romantic development in the entire show and suddenly dropping it SIX YEARS after the show started for a random ship to please the crazy SJWs is beyond stupid. I will completely disagree with Ruby x Jaune because Jaune x Pyrrha was the one that was being set up. Jaune and Ruby just come off as friends.
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I’m not if that Hypeathon video essay about “what was Monty’s vision” deserves to go into the OP, but when I see people talk about Miles hijacking the show to make it his, I can only feel those videos guilt tripping me and anyone else who’d think that way.
 

Baldy Shannon McCormick REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE/damage controlling the Quinn drama.
 
Random Internet Person said:
I’m not if that Hypeathon video essay about “what was Monty’s vision” deserves to go into the OP, but when I see people talk about Miles hijacking the show to make it his, I can only feel those videos guilt tripping me and anyone else who’d think that way.
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We have very little to go by what Monty wanted, but considering how Volume 4 threw out basically everything Monty had done, including a vast majority of the cast he was involved in making and storylines he started, and considering what was said in Shane's letter, I refuse to believe Miles has any care or respect for Monty. Miles has a big ego and bragged about the things in RWBY that were entirely his, like that stupid plotline about the Brother Gods. I think it's pretty clear Miles hijacked the show and wanted to make it his show.
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
Isn't Hero Hei just a slightly less fat TheQuartering? He made a whole video reeeeing over someone making a meme mocking how repetitive his channel content was. Honestly he gives off major lolcow vibes.
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Maybe? But the thing keeping him from being a cow is him having a stable head on his shoulders if you ask me.
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
Isn't Hero Hei just a slightly less fat TheQuartering? He made a whole video reeeeing over someone making a meme mocking how repetitive his channel content was. Honestly he gives off major lolcow vibes.
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He hasn't crossed into TUG/YF territory, but his RT content is getting real repetitive IMO. Still the most unbiased source of RT shitting itself that isn't a Clownfish drive-by
 
Roland Daggett said:
No Miles still absolutely deserves to be reamed for being not only an incompetent idiot, but also an immature baby who throws fits when people point out he's not the next Shakespeare. Not to mention how he went out of his way to slag Vic for brownie points. And after seeing all the points I'm firmly in the camp that Miles threw out everything Monty wanted, including any notes and the people who were close to Monty were pushed out of the show. I think while Volume 3 had remnants of Monty's ideas (by virtue of the fact that he died mid production) that was all done by Miles, and Volume 4 onward is purely Miles with zero content that was intended by Monty. All this talk about how "They're sticking to Monty's notes and outlines" is bullshit cause they don't have any care for what Monty wanted. They just parade the idea of Monty around to go "Hey fandom! Remember Monty? Love the show unconditionally!" And I'm pretty sure Monty's notes were minimal at best considering how much we know he changed things last minute and flew by the seat of his pants. I do not accept that Monty had 10 seasons worth of story completely planned out, and even if he did I doubt Miles would touch them.
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Agreed.

Roland Daggett said:
I remember Neptune and think there was potential with Weiss and Neptune's relationship. But then it just.... got dropped. BlackSun was absolutely set up and was clearly meant to be endgame from the first scene Sun shows up in. Blake and Sun had the most obvious romantic development in the entire show and suddenly dropping it SIX YEARS after the show started for a random ship to please the crazy SJWs is beyond stupid. I will completely disagree with Ruby x Jaune because Jaune x Pyrrha was the one that was being set up. Jaune and Ruby just come off as friends.
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I'm not sure how much potential Weiss x Neptune had, because - unless senility has finally caught up with me - I remember Neptune as a forgettable non-character. His phobia of water is the only thing about him I remember. That motherfucker is a total NPC.

I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of Blake and Sun. What the endgame is going to be remains to be seen, though Bublebee not becoming canon would cause an intifada among the FNDM which, while hilarious, would also make the ruination of Adam's character even more pointless. No matter what your favourite ship is, I'm legitimately impressed with how many people Blake gets shipped given how much of a loathsome cunt she is.

In regards to Ruby x Jaune, my theory is that Jaune being shipped with Pyrrha was meant as a temporary solution for the sake of character development and have him later eat shit by killing Pyrrha off before making Ruby x Jaune the endgame. I remember back in the day when Jaune was introduced, some people in the comment section were even saying "Hi! I'm your standard issue love interest." It was, at least to me, pretty blatant back in the day when the writing was your standard issue chuuni cringe instead of this abomination we're dealing right now.
Random Internet Person said:
I’m not if that Hypeathon video essay about “what was Monty’s vision” deserves to go into the OP, but when I see people talk about Miles hijacking the show to make it his, I can only feel those videos guilt tripping me and anyone else who’d think that way.
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It will be put in the OP once I update it.
 
Fougaro said:
I'm not sure how much potential Weiss x Neptune had, because - unless senility has finally caught up with me - I remember Neptune as a forgettable non-character. His phobia of water is the only thing about him I remember. That motherfucker is a total NPC.

I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of Blake and Sun. What the endgame is going to be remains to be seen, though Bublebee not becoming canon would cause an intifada among the FNDM which, while hilarious, would also make the ruination of Adam's character even more pointless. No matter what your favourite ship is, I'm legitimately impressed with how many people Blake gets shipped given how much of a loathsome cunt she is.

In regards to Ruby x Jaune, my theory is that Jaune being shipped with Pyrrha was meant as a temporary solution for the sake of character development and have him later eat shit by killing Pyrrha off before making Ruby x Jaune the endgame. I remember back in the day when Jaune was introduced, some people in the comment section were even saying "Hi! I'm your standard issue love interest." It was, at least to me, pretty blatant back in the day when the writing was your standard issue chuuni cringe instead of this abomination we're dealing right now.
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I actually quite liked Neptune, and the fear of water thing was a stupid thing shoved into Volume 3 to make a joke out of him. In Volume 2 we learn that despite him being a ladies man that's more of a facade to hide his insecurities. His talk with Jaune during the dance was actually one of the best written scenes in the show. It even avoided the pitfall of having a character misunderstand a situation and make a huge scene and look like a prick because he actually ended up talking to Neptune about why he turned Weiss down. And after talking about it Jaune finally gives up on his crush on Weiss and tells Neptune to talk to her, which was great cause I found Jaune's crush on Weiss to be kind of annoying. It was setting up what could have been a nice relationship. We only got a bit of Neptune in Volume 2 but there was plenty of opportunity to develop him and his relationship with Weiss further that got thrown out immediately, which just made Neptune pointless. He was clearly set up as Weiss's love interest and then he just vanished after Volume 3. Him appearing in Volume 6 was literally just to make sure people knew Ilia was a lesbian cause apparently they didn't already make that clear.

And when I mentioned BlackSun as endgame I meant that was what the intention from the start, not what is actually going to happen. Miles is too much of a spineless idiot to follow through on it cause he's more concerned with upsetting a part of the fandom and possibly Barbara by not making their stupid out of character ship canon. It's clear with how much time was spent on Blake and Sun's relationship with many clear signs that they liked each other it's ridiculous to claim that they were supposed to be with anyone else.

I disagree about Jaune and Pyrrha completely. There's WAY too much time spent building them up, comparable to even Sun and Blake, and the scenes with Jaune and Ruby scream "just friends". Outside of maybe the first scene with Jaune and Ruby there's not a lick of romantic implications at all. Jaune and Pyrrha were being set up very obviously. Pyrrha dying just meant that they wasted everyone's time spending three seasons building a romance that went nowhere. Even now without Pyrrha Jaune and Ruby come off as brother and sister.
 
Roland Daggett said:
I actually quite liked Neptune, and the fear of water thing was a stupid thing shoved into Volume 3 to make a joke out of him. In Volume 2 we learn that despite him being a ladies man that's more of a facade to hide his insecurities. His talk with Jaune during the dance was actually one of the best written scenes in the show. It even avoided the pitfall of having a character misunderstand a situation and make a huge scene and look like a prick because he actually ended up talking to Neptune about why he turned Weiss down. And after talking about it Jaune finally gives up on his crush on Weiss and tells Neptune to talk to her, which was great cause I found Jaune's crush on Weiss to be kind of annoying. It was setting up what could have been a nice relationship. We only got a bit of Neptune in Volume 2 but there was plenty of opportunity to develop him and his relationship with Weiss further that got thrown out immediately, which just made Neptune pointless. He was clearly set up as Weiss's love interest and then he just vanished after Volume 3. Him appearing in Volume 6 was literally just to make sure people knew Ilia was a lesbian cause apparently they didn't already make that clear.

And when I mentioned BlackSun as endgame I meant that was what the intention from the start, not what is actually going to happen. Miles is too much of a spineless idiot to follow through on it cause he's more concerned with upsetting a part of the fandom and possibly Barbara by not making their stupid out of character ship canon. It's clear with how much time was spent on Blake and Sun's relationship with many clear signs that they liked each other it's ridiculous to claim that they were supposed to be with anyone else.

I disagree about Jaune and Pyrrha completely. There's WAY too much time spent building them up, comparable to even Sun and Blake, and the scenes with Jaune and Ruby scream "just friends". Outside of maybe the first scene with Jaune and Ruby there's not a lick of romantic implications at all. Jaune and Pyrrha were being set up very obviously. Pyrrha dying just meant that they wasted everyone's time spending three seasons building a romance that went nowhere. Even now without Pyrrha Jaune and Ruby come off as brother and sister.
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I will have to rewatch the older episodes once I get the time, because the way you put it Neptune was a sign of things to come, as in being the first character who didn't just get wasted, but brutally got the shaft before many others (RIP Adam). Whatever potential Neptune may have had, is blueballed by his lack of screentime.

I'm willing to concede the point on Ruby x Jaune, but as said, I applied typical chuuni anime logic since they wanted to make the show as "anime" as possible (them being the kind of motherfuckers who think of anime as a genre instead of as a medium). And by that logic I wouldn't have been surprised if Ruby x Jaune would have been the endgame while the fan favourite best girl gets to eat shit. Whatever the case may be, I think it can be said beyond any reasonable doubt that whatever foundations were set for anon pairings (Blake x Sun and Weiss x Neptune) during Monty's days were later dropped for pandering to the shippers. I mentioned that both the writers and the VAs encourage shipping, but I heard that both Barb and Arryn are very much on the spectrum in this regard.
 
Roland Daggett said:
And when I mentioned BlackSun as endgame I meant that was what the intention from the start, not what is actually going to happen. Miles is too much of a spineless idiot to follow through on it cause he's more concerned with upsetting a part of the fandom and possibly Barbara by not making their stupid out of character ship canon. It's clear with how much time was spent on Blake and Sun's relationship with many clear signs that they liked each other it's ridiculous to claim that they were supposed to be with anyone else.
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I agree that Black Sun seemed to be the intention. But to be perfectly honest, he doesn't stand a chance. You are right in that story-wise it makes sense Sun be with Blake, but I get the feeling he will join Mako from Legend of Korra, and Finn from Adventure Time in the club of being cucked by the lesbian shippers.

If Rwby had aired 6 years ago Sun would have a chance, but now with the current woke environment he has all odds against him. That goes for all the main characters, to be honest. A quick glance into the fandom shows me how pairing the main characters are the most popular ships, and with Miles bending the knee to shippers I would be genuinely surprised if Neptune or Sun have any chance whatsoever.

Only Jaune has a chance, and that's only because he is, as I am told, a self-insert of Miles.


Random Internet Person said:
do you think that they really didn't do a good job at setting things up?
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Good question, I've been pondering my answer for a while and I think I will say no.

I think at first they were more interested in making their villains seem your average cool anime antagonist with them being all "philosophical" and "mysterious". And you got how Salem made speeches about strength and Cinder talking about power.

I get that they wanted their "true goals" to be a mystery for us, and then shock us witha huge reveal, but they still didn't give us a reason to care.

As for RWBY, the heroes didn't even know the villains even existed until the very end of volume 3. And We didn't get their motivations explained until volume 5/volume 6. We are up to volume 7 and it's the first season we, and the heroes, know what the villains want and why that is bad... I would say that's a horrible setup.

On the risk of repeating myself, I think RWBY confused power with intimidation. And mystery with deepness.

The joker is one of the most intimidating villains in superhero movies and he is just a guy in a clown suit. Whereas Cinder can fly, control the weather, has magical fire powers, has energy shields, etc... and she is basically a joke at this point.

As for Salem, She technically has the power to just take over and win, but, for some reason, I'm just not that invested in her as a villain, especially after learning she is just a bitter woman making a tantrum instead of the philosophical Thanos like villain they wanted her to be at first.
 
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