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I just rewatched the 2015 Megyn Kelley special, knowing what we know now about the original police report and Bobye Holt's testimony and GOD DAMN. Watching Jessa and Jill sit there and spin their own stories of abuse like they were asleep and never even knew it happened. Poor Jill even breaks down at one point, obviously tired of the lying and traumatized by her very real abuse that she obviously remembers, and her sister Jessa just sits there nervously like their cover's going to be blown.
I hate Jim Bob and Josh so much. They're so fucking slippery and they're just...bad at it. Seeing the judge throw out JB's testimony for being pure dogshit was perfection. Hook it to my veins.
 
Small Turpin kids uodate
Blah blah blah we're Cali CPS and we're creating a committee for the bad press we're receiving over kids under our care dying or being abused in Foster care
OOh yea and of course we want to prevent this from happening again and we really really Wana help the Turpin kids but let's figure out who to all throw under the bus first.

 
One thing I've been thinking is that I wonder how long TLC knew about this shit while still cutting Boob checks? I feel like they wouldve have to have know by 2005 at the latest when the Oprah show got tipped off. Pretty fucked of them to keep paying a family with an unchecked sex pest problem while trying to present them as a weird but wholesome freak show.

Haven't like 2/4 fundie families TLC had shows about had at least one major sex pest incident?
100% TLC knew, Oprah knew, there's way more behind this than will ever come out. Josh's weirdly calm demeanor is probably explained by entertainment industry people telling him that as long as he takes the fall his family will be ok.
 
There's a fleeting opportunity for Josh's wife and siblings to distance themselves from him in a way that saves face. Do you guys think anyone will take it? I can understand how Anna could be brainwashed into thinking that Josh diddling his sisters wasn't a big deal, but getting off to baby sex torture porn is on a different level.
I think that Anna, Meech, and JimBoob should all be strapped down, Clockwork Orange style, and made to watch every second of what Josh downloaded.
 
I think that Anna, Meech, and JimBoob should all be strapped down, Clockwork Orange style, and made to watch every second of what Josh downloaded.
Boob would probably like it though. Strongly suspect the apple didnt fall far with Josh.

Any word on what's expected Monday?
 
I think that Anna, Meech, and JimBoob should all be strapped down, Clockwork Orange style, and made to watch every second of what Josh downloaded.

Why, so all three can start getting turned on? Only way they should allow that is if all three go to Louis Theroux's place for pedophiles (California cold storage for eternity)
 
Just occurred to me that the feds may have talked to Jill in between Josh seizure and arrest and she kept that shit secret from the family. Or even if she talked to feds after his arrest.
Omfg, hell hath no fury 🌈


I just rewatched the 2015 Megyn Kelley special, knowing what we know now about the original police report and Bobye Holt's testimony and GOD DAMN. Watching Jessa and Jill sit there and spin their own stories of abuse like they were asleep and never even knew it happened. Poor Jill even breaks down at one point, obviously tired of the lying and traumatized by her very real abuse that she obviously remembers, and her sister Jessa just sits there nervously like their cover's going to be blown.
I hate Jim Bob and Josh so much. They're so fucking slippery and they're just...bad at iJt. Seeing the judge throw out JB's testimony for being pure dogshit was perfection. Hook it to my veins.


Mr. Rimjob is pretty forgetful, considering he's a sober man in good health and this Interview was only 6 years ago. Vote for forgetful Jim everyone

Jimbob "he's not a pedofile" , legally that isn't until 16
The (Vista juvie sex offender program) is bad , cuz my friend said so! when asked why they didn't seek official therapy
Clown car: I'm a failure as a parent!

Ok, I'm not as forgiving if Jill and Jessa , straight up they're pedo enablers, sorry not sorry I don't simp for dumb bitches who perpetuate dumb bitchery

Jessa 22 Jill 24 . They were 10 and 12, they said. No, we re not victims, and he's not a pedo or rapist!! It's a lie! But I was one of the victims so I can say this.
Fully clothed. None of the victims knew what happened until Josh confessed! " It was subtle! It was sly!" (Spoiler, she means SNEAKY, just say it jill)

C'mon, victims or not, they lied on national tv. I get everybody wants to forgive them but it's better to say nothing than to fucking lie. They offered to do this interview, they were both in their early 20s, married, Moms, they're not fucking teenagers. I get I was dumb too at 23 but not gonna excuse it regardless, you're enabling Josh! he's a dad with small fucking daughters and he molested several young girls in his "youth." He fingered a fucking 5yo. He's been busted for cheating and admitted a porn conviction, but we as mom's are gonna do nothing to protect Anna's kids, and keep up appearances that he isn't a fucking threat to any of the kids in the family anymor because "he changed when he returned from rehab"

Fuck that.

And if Anna ever got knowledge he touched their kids or ignored signs or made the kids believe that Anna wouldn't believe them or would blame them if they told or that Anna perpetuates some "we become better women for it happening to us and we are to forgive and not go to the authorities and ruin our perfectly happy family", and I suspect this is possible -

Shame on you, Anna, Jessa and Jill. How much money did Boobie spend to take you to dinner at the cheapest buffet for cooperating?

What were you bitches paid or given compensation for fucking LYING to protect your brother and the father that protected him. This explains whatever controversy about where Jessa and Ben lived and who was paying for it if neither were working

CPS complimented my parents on their parenting! I'm a mom now and I'm gonna do good safeguards like my parents!
Oh our parents urged us to trust DCHS and tell them the truth about the molestation, it's a safe space! We were treated well by DCHS, we can't believe they made that investigation public!


Josh is a changed person!
The tabloids made objects out of us!!
We've moved on and forgiven Josh, the truth is distorted! (Jill is sobbing as she says this.)

Here's the entire interview with Boob and Meech it was home recorded has old commercials and such, for some reason I can't find the part3 from above

Beginning has JimBoob lying and giving his version of "talking to the state police" and we brought a witness along so we were totes legit!

Ugh clowncarmeech voice is so fucking grating: WE ALL GOT ACCREDITED PROFESSIONAL COUNSELORS AND JOSH PAID FOR HIS HIMSELF!
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Here is the full interview with the sisters, Jessa said she was 10 and Jill said she was 12.

So will Megyn Kelly say she knew they were being gaslit? Seems her main angle wasn't what happened but the fact that the records were made public. She's a lawyer, after all, so she's understandably pissed about this.

Im not techie enuf to timestamp and didn't want to watch it a second time because I got too moti

The comments tho
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Idk, I think it's hard for people not directly familiar with weird fundie cults just how long it takes to get over the brainwashing. The girls were likely just saying what Boob told them to say, likely under threat of being cut off financially.

If Jill is testifying for the prosecution I think shes going to be telling a very different story than the interview from 2015.
 
Jill and Jessa were brainwashed. They also probably felt a lot of embarrassment, shame and guilt as victims because they were definitely taught that it was their fault in some way. (I've wondered if Joy believed her stillborn daughter was punishment for tempting her brother, since jchelle and dim bulb preach that their miscarriage was punishment for using birth control). At least Jill distanced herself from her family and got real therapy. I'd say testifying for the prosecution makes up for that interview.
 
Idk, I think it's hard for people not directly familiar with weird fundie cults just how long it takes to get over the brainwashing. The girls were likely just saying what Boob told them to say, likely under threat of being cut off financially.

If Jill is testifying for the prosecution I think shes going to be telling a very different story than the interview from 2015.
Jim Boob's influence over his children is what makes me nervous about any of them testifying. If he put enough pressure on them would they lie about or intentionally forget things that would help Josh's defense ?

Jim Boob can hide behind religion all he wants but he doesn't seem above telling his children to lie if it saves Josh from going to prison .
 
Jim Boob's influence over his children is what makes me nervous about any of them testifying. If he put enough pressure on them would they lie about or intentionally forget things that would help Josh's defense ?

Jim Boob can hide behind religion all he wants but he doesn't seem above telling his children to lie if it saves Josh from going to prison .
Jill has spoken about how she's estranged from Jim Bob to the point he won't let her into the house to see her siblings without him there to supervise, so her testimony is the one I'm least concerned about. She's also received real counseling and talked about how she's learned that her family of origin is toxic as hell. Jed is the one I'm concerned about.
 
Idk, I think it's hard for people not directly familiar with weird fundie cults just how long it takes to get over the brainwashing. The girls were likely just saying what Boob told them to say, likely under threat of being cut off financially.

If Jill is testifying for the prosecution I think shes going to be telling a very different story than the interview from 2015.
Yeah, ya gotta understand that fundie cult 24 might as well be 14 in terms of emotional maturity and educational level. It's common enough for any child victim of abuse to be able to be tricked into thinking it wasn't that bad; you add in the fundie cult's isolation and from society and twisting of religious doctrine, and those girls never stood a chance. They never had regular secular or even Christian friends growing up to tell them that shit's not normal. It sucks that in the 2015 interview they're mothers and still defending Josh's bs, but what're ya gonna do?
 
Yeah, ya gotta understand that fundie cult 24 might as well be 14 in terms of emotional maturity and educational level. It's common enough for any child victim of abuse to be able to be tricked into thinking it wasn't that bad; you add in the fundie cult's isolation and from society and twisting of religious doctrine, and those girls never stood a chance. They never had regular secular or even Christian friends growing up to tell them that shit's not normal. It sucks that in the 2015 interview they're mothers and still defending Josh's bs, but what're ya gonna do?
To Jill's everlasting credit, motherhood and their long sojourn to South America seems to have snapped her out from under the cult spell. She was allowed to marry a fundie light with a real education and a real job. She started using birth control after her second pregnancy with her husband'sfull support, to give herself the time she needed in therapy without being worn down to nothing under a growing pile of infants and toddlers.

Jessa has never moved off the Big House compound and is probably getting knocked up with Number 5 as we speak. She married a Jim Bob wannabe and has never had the chances Jill has to get her head on straight.
 
I really want Jill to get on that stand and BURN IT ALL DOWN. I want her to specify about having to fight Josh off of her and her sisters, about what a little bitch Josh was with the tattling comments, and about Jim Bob and Michelle’s failures to curb Josh once reported, keep the girls in unsafe conditions, and cover up every which way for their touchy freely golden child. I want all those girls, the Js and the Ms, to be sensitively questioned to make sure there aren’t any more direct molestation victims. I don’t know if Jill will be given that leeway, but I hope she gets as much put as she can.
 
I really want Jill to get on that stand and BURN IT ALL DOWN. I want her to specify about having to fight Josh off of her and her sisters, about what a little bitch Josh was with the tattling comments, and about Jim Bob and Michelle’s failures to curb Josh once reported, keep the girls in unsafe conditions, and cover up every which way for their touchy freely golden child. I want all those girls, the Js and the Ms, to be sensitively questioned to make sure there aren’t any more direct molestation victims. I don’t know if Jill will be given that leeway, but I hope she gets as much put as she can.
I want her to bring up him calling her a snitch for telling their parents that he molested her AT HER WEDDING. He's an unrepentant piece of shit, and that comment is ten thousand times worse with all the details.
 
I want her to bring up him calling her a snitch for telling their parents that he molested her AT HER WEDDING. He's an unrepentant piece of shit, and that comment is ten thousand times worse with all the details.
And I am sure that is not the only time the brother who molested her was allowed to publicly shame her, just the first. And that the other girls learned to not be as loud and defiant after watching such shamings.

Ps- Josh seems to epitomize how these abuses are so much more about power than sex. As far as it is known, he didn’t touch Jana, the oldest girl who had a twin brother protector also close to Josh in age. And his shitty parents enforced the abuse. Not just enabled. Enforced.
 
Well Peoplemag may be helping with reasonable doubt

But, what the hell is "pedomom" ???


Prosecution's Key Expert Faces Defense in Josh Duggar Trial: 'We're Not on a Wild Goose Chase'
In a lengthy cross-examination, Duggar attorney Justin Gelfand combed through a forensic analyst's findings that repeatedly linked the former reality star to illegal material on his work computer

ADAM CARLSON December 04, 2021 03:05 PM
When is a login screen not just a login screen?

When is a router a clue to a crime?

Where is the thumb drive that someone plugged into the work computer at Josh Duggar's car lot in 2019 shortly before someone — someone else? the same person? — installed a separate, password-protected operating system to hide evidence of child sexual abuse material that ultimately put the former 19 Kids and Counting star, 33, on trial in federal court in Arkansas?

And what about that other iPhone, not Duggar's, that was at his work when the search warrant was executed but never seized?

These were some of the questions, theories and suggestions Duggar's defense raised Friday in day four of his trial on knowing receipt and possession of child pornography. This occurred as the prosecution's key witness — James Fottrell, a top computer forensic analyst at the Department of Justice who examined Duggar's devices — made his case, outlining extensive time-and-place links between Duggar and the downloading and viewing of child pornography at his work.

While Duggar has not yet presented his defense (the prosecution is likely to rest on Monday), his attorneys have homed in on two main arguments in the course of their cross-examinations:

Someone else had physical access to the office computer at the car lot where there was a keypad-locked door but police, in their haste and narrow-mindedness, missed that; or the machine was remotely accessed via a vulnerable network — but investigators weren't curious enough to go looking, including by examining Duggar's work router.
Nowhere was this strategy more clear so far than on Friday, as Justin Gelfand, a noted former federal prosecutor whom Duggar hired earlier this year, combed back through Fottrell's testimony to prosecutors.

Gelfand — with a habit of exhaustively reiterating, underlining and dissecting facts and analysis submitted in the prosecution's case — most of all wanted Fottrell to explain what he had and had not done in his examination; what he did and did not know conclusively, linked to direct evidence; and what he could and could not rule out.

"I don't want you to guess," Gelfand repeatedly admonished Fottrell, the director of the DOJ's High Technology Investigative Unit.

"Details matter," Gelfand likes to say in court (Also: "Let's get our bearings" and "let's be crystal clear" and "let me get this straight for a second"). The defense is expected to call a forensic expert of their own to show that "the equivalent of a trail of blood … does not lead to Josh Duggar," Gelfand said in his opening argument.

Fottrell, for his part, acceded little on the stand on Friday during a roughly four-hour cross-examination.

Josh Duggar Trial Day 1
No, he didn't think the USB that was plugged into Duggar's computer the day the Linux partition was created — which has not been located and which contained two word documents and a slide presentation — was ultimately relevant in a trial about child sexual abuse material found on the Linux side of the office computer.

No, he didn't think that because there was a Covenant Eyes login prompt on the desktop, if a user clicked the icon, that it meant the program could simply be turned off. The program auto-runs when the Windows side is logged-on, he said (Covenant Eyes, an accountability program on Duggar's devices, bolsters the prosecution's argument that the Linux partition was in part to evade monitoring of objectionable content).

No, Fottrell did not think the router in the office — which was never seized or examined — contained valuable, unknown evidence. And no, he didn't think there was a pattern of remote access for the office computer. It was possible, yes, "But I just don't see evidence of that."

If someone remotely accessed the machine, their activity would still be viewable on the monitor, Fottrell said — such as the mouse movements and keystrokes, or when switching from the Windows side of the machine with all of its business records and important work-related programs to a totally separate operating system with a different login screen and password. And when the illicit photos and videos were viewed, they were visible on the monitor in the office regardless if someone was accessing them remotely. People at the car lot, in the office, would have seen.

Fottrell acknowledged this: Neither he nor the federal agents had "perfect information" from which to draw conclusions or to "answer every possibility."


Files can be deleted. Hard drives can be perfectly wiped. iPhones can be locked.

But, Fottrell said, "We have lots of good evidence." Despite indications that the machine had been cleaned of the child sexual abuse material — for example, no video files were recovered in full — Fottrell said cached data and thumbnails auto-created when files are downloaded and accessed showed that the illegal photos and videos had once existed. It was "forensically challenging," he said. But not impossible. He likened the case to the "Netflix effect" of recent years.

"Some offenders understand it's dangerous to possess the material of this nature so they download it, view it and then delete it," versus amassing a library. And, he said, he had found full-sized originals of one lewd collection of images in a part of the hard drive that retains deleted files.

"We are doing the best we can," Fottrell explained.

"In every case, there's always more analysis you could do … it's certainly not perfect, it's certainly not exhaustive," Fottrell said.


"I would love to say I have five years to work on this case," he said, later adding, "I'm trying to efficiently work on as many cases as I can."

Still, appropriate analysis was done here, Fottrell testified — having already walked through dozens of exhibits (screenshots and spreadsheets from his forensic examination) under questioning by prosecutors that showed evidence that the sexual abuse material was downloaded and viewed on the computer in May 2019.

What's more, Fottrell told prosecutor William Clayman a backup of an iPhone 8 that was found on Duggar's personal MacBook contained timestamped text messages and photos with geolocation data that put him at or near the car lot repeatedly over four days in May 2019 when either the child pornography was accessed or the password-protected Linux partition and related programs were setup.

In one example, Fottrell said, Duggar's phone was used to take a photo of a sticky note at the car lot — apparently on a desk — two minutes after evidence was created that the video file "pedomom" was accessed on the office computer.

The defense has continually suggested a handful of individuals who had access to the car lot, including an ex-employee, were the real perpetrators, though the prosecution says records show Duggar was the only employee at the lot that May.

Three of these men are on a list of potential witnesses but have not yet testified. Jeff Pryor, one of the Homeland Security agents who executed the search warrant at the car lot, said on the stand Thursday that as to the question of other devices on the property that day, "Not seized means cleared."

Pryor and other prosecution witnesses, including Fottrell, have explained that agents and analysts on a scene use their judgment and can manually screen certain devices, choosing not to seize them if no red flags are found (Gelfand noted in his questioning these manual examinations can miss things).

Fottrell wasn't present at the 2019 search of the car lot but said on the stand Friday that generally, "We're trying to have sensitivity."

"We don't want to seize the paint off the walls," he said. "We're trying to find where the critical evidence is." In a family residence, as an example, agents would screen a child's computer at the scene before presumptively seizing it to minimize their intrusion.

At Duggar's car lot, Fottrell said, agents had some preliminary indication they were looking for a Windows computer. And then they saw his HP work desktop.

"We're not on a wild goose chase," he said.

Gelfand pounced on one mistake during his cross of Fottrell on Friday.

Fottrell initially testified, repeatedly, that he didn't connect to the Internet or make any notable software changes while he was using a visualization tool to help show Duggar's work computer hard drive to the jury (the tool recreates both the Windows and Linux desktops). But Gelfand pointed out that the μTorrent program, which was used to access some of the sexual abuse material, had been updated on the Linux side of the computer. Fottrell noted that "does not make sense to me" and "would be significant" to him, but also stressed that the visualization tool didn't alter any of the underlying forensic analysis of the hard drive itself. Still, argued Gelfand, "Something had happened to the evidence you can't explain."

Under re-direct by prosecutors, Fottrell then said he remembered briefly connecting to the Internet
to help him install the visualization tool on the hard drive copy provided by investigators.

"I made a mistake, I forgot," he then told Gelfand, who hammered the inconsistency.

Elsewhere, Gelfand prodded at the limits of what Fottrell knew, such as how certain programs like the anonymous Tor browser were installed on the Linux side of Duggar's work computer — or whether any of the illicit videos were being accessed by users elsewhere while they were being played on the machine. Without signs of a previous installer or manual coding, Fottrell said the "totality" of the evidence led him to conclude that the simplest, direct solutions were correct: Duggar had used an application store program pre-loaded on Linux to download other software and that it seemed perplexing for someone to remotely access his computer to stream a video — "very inefficient" versus that other person just directly accessing the video online themselves.

"Can you rule out a possibility that the files were streamed from this HP computer to another device?" Gelfand asked.

No, Fottrell said, not conclusively.

In some parts of his analysis related to how the computer was used versus what content was accessed, "I know what is likely but I don't know what is certain," he shared.


He grew seemingly impatient under this line of inquiry and at several points he and Gelfand were instructed by Judge Timothy Brooks not to talk over one another, to aid the court reporter.

Gelfand, his hands tap-tap-tapping on the lectern, highlighted the loose end of the thumb drive that was plugged in and used shortly before the Linux partition was created on the work computer.

He also said that the same password used on the Linux partition, which Fottrell found via records on Duggar's personal computer was "ubiquitously used" by Duggar for other accounts, was also fairly widely shared by Duggar with other people over the years (in re-direct, Fottrell told prosecutors there was no evidence found on the devices of anyone else mentioning they were using that password, however).

Perhaps, Gelfand also wondered, Fottrell had made another error in relying on readily available time-and-place metadata from the photos on Duggar's iPhone backup rather than forensically extracting them with a specialized tool that Fottrell decided not to use.

When Fottrell said one photo was taken at Duggar's Wholesale Motors, maybe it was actually taken at his other car lot, Champion? Maybe the times were converted wrong?


With his re-direct, prosecutor Clayman referred back to certain photos that seemed definitive as to their time and location. One key selfie was of Duggar at Wholesale, in front of the office, on the same day a sales document was created on the Linux side of his computer with his first name on it.

The metadata said the work selfie was taken at 4:47 p.m. A clock was visible on the office behind Duggar. It read 4:51 p.m.

Duggar's trial continues Monday.
 
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