Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Dunsparce]

https://i.imgur.com/MPQx3Xw.jpg

Here are the Pokemon from the beta of Gold

One thing I find interesting is that Umbreon was originally going to be Poison Type(dark type still existed in the beta). That explains why its early dex entries often brought up the fact that it secreted toxins, rather than anything that might connect it to the Dark typing.

Also a crapton of pre-evolutions for Pokemon that never did get them, same with evolutions(though there were a few that eventually got similar things in Gen IV, like the Mr. Mime pre-evolution and the Tangela and Lickitung evolutions)

Also the Pinsir evolution shares many physical traits with heracross

@D.Va my theory on the placements of those three and beta-leafeon are because they are last minute additions, seeing as in Gen 1 Pokemon were coded in by the order they were created, rather than their Pokedex number. A lot of the Hoenn Pokemon in Gen III were not coded in by Pokedex number, most notably Chimecho being after Deoxys, probably as a last minute addition itself.

In terms of the "never before seen Pokemon" that was teased, I get the feeling it might be Gorochu. Given that when mentioning cut mons from Gen 1, Gorochu seemed to have a specific mention. Admittedly, if true, it would mean that the Pikachu family becomes a four stage family. Of course, I'm most likely very wrong, but given how Pikachu is the series mascot, I also wouldn't be surprised if this ultimately happened.

Back in Gen VI, in an interview GF were asked if they would ever do 4 or more stages in a Pokemon line(as in actual 4th stage evolutions, not Megas which were talked about earlier in the interview). They said they've thought about it in the past and it wasn't impossible for them to someday do so, they just needed to make sure it was balanced if they ever implemented it.

 

[D.Va]

@D.Va my theory on the placements of those three and beta-leafeon are because they are last minute additions, seeing as in Gen 1 Pokemon were coded in by the order they were created, rather than their Pokedex number. A lot of the Hoenn Pokemon in Gen III were not coded in by Pokedex number, most notably Chimecho being after Deoxys, probably as a last minute addition itself.

Perhaps, but Aipom's internal ID there is 52 yet is sitting at #250 in the dex. Also, "Snubbull Forest" is a possible translation for a map name in this release; Snubbull may have perhaps been a one-time encounter as an overworld sprite at some point, and Granbull doesn't exist in this build either. Same goes for Ambipom and Togepi's evo line. This game build is dated a good two years before the final release, a lot would've changed. I'll sit and wait for the people who are translating and REing this to do their thing, because we'll find out more then.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

https://i.imgur.com/MPQx3Xw.jpg

Here are the Pokemon from the beta of Gold

One thing I find interesting is that Umbreon was originally going to be Poison Type(dark type still existed in the beta). That explains why its early dex entries often brought up the fact that it secreted toxins, rather than anything that might connect it to the Dark typing.

Also a crapton of pre-evolutions for Pokemon that never did get them, same with evolutions(though there were a few that eventually got similar things in Gen IV, like the Mr. Mime pre-evolution and the Tangela and Lickitung evolutions)

Also the Pinsir evolution shares many physical traits with heracross

@D.Va my theory on the placements of those three and beta-leafeon are because they are last minute additions, seeing as in Gen 1 Pokemon were coded in by the order they were created, rather than their Pokedex number. A lot of the Hoenn Pokemon in Gen III were not coded in by Pokedex number, most notably Chimecho being after Deoxys, probably as a last minute addition itself.

Whaaatt? More info please. Did a Beta build of the game leak?

 

[El Porko Fako]

Back in Gen VI, in an interview GF were asked if they would ever do 4 or more stages in a Pokemon line(as in actual 4th stage evolutions, not Megas which were talked about earlier in the interview). They said they've thought about it in the past and it wasn't impossible for them to someday do so, they just needed to make sure it was balanced if they ever implemented it.

Shouldn't be too hard too keep it balanced. Stat-wise, Raichu's pretty underwhelming and kind of stinky.

 

[Dunsparce]

Okay boys and girls, after digging through the beta info, lets look at some of the stuff we know.

-Originally the game was going to take place in the entirety of Poke-Japan. Kanto was turned into one really big town in the general shape of the Gen 1 Map, what would become Hoenn and Sinnoh later on are all also each a single town pretty much. The area of Japan that eventually became Hoenn has palm trees and a pyramid-like dungeon of some sort, and the part that eventually became Sinnoh is completey covered in snow.
-The Town Map makes it even more blatant, the map is just Japan.
-The original Gold beta itself seems to be built on the Japanese Blue(the third version to Red and Green), as it shares many sprites and the placeholder for Red's name is Blue (Not to be confused with the Gen 1 rival, who is known as Green in Japan and Blue internationally in later games)

Now let's go into the evolutions a Bit:

-All 7 Pre-evolutions, 6 Evolutions. and 6 Split Evolutions found in the final versions of Gen II exist in some form(Slowking was the evolution of Slowbro originally though), they almost all evolved from or into their Kanto relatives via level-up or being using and item on them(Including two beta-exclusive stones, Heart Stone and Poison Stone, both of which are replaced by Sun Stone in the final version)

-Pichu: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves into Pikachu at level 12
-Cleffa: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves into Clefairy at level 12
-Igglybuff: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves in Jigglypuff at level 12
-Crobat: Same Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Golbat at level 44
-Politoed: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Poliwhirl with Heart Stone
-Slowking: Same Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Slowbro when traded with King's Rock
-Espeon: Same Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Eevee with Heart Stone
-Umbreon: Same Appearance, Different Typing(Poison), and evolves from Eevee with Poison Stone
-Tyrogue: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves into Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee/Hitmontop at level 15
-Hitmontop: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Tyrogue at level 15
-Smoochum: Different Appearance, Different Typing(Ice), and evolves into Jynx at level 15
-Elekid: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves into Electabuzz at level 15
-Magby: Similar Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves into Magmar at level 15
-Bellossom: Similar Appearance, Different Typing(Grass/Poison), and evolves from Gloom with Poison Stone
-Blissey: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Chansey at level 45
-Scizor: Similar Appearance(though with Scyther's color scheme), Different Typing(Bug/Flying), and evolves from Scyther at level 41
-Porygon2: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Porygon when traded with Upgrade
-Steelix: Same Appearance, Same Typing, and evolved from Onix at level 32
-Kingdra: Different Appearance, Same Typing, and evolves from Seadra when traded with Dragon Scale

Here are some Pokemon that are Pre-evolutions or evolutions of Kanto Pokemon that were scrapped and later replaced(or reused in one case) in Gen IV
-Mr. Mime Pre-evolution (Normal), evolves into Mr. Mime a level 15, Replaced by Mime Jr. In Gen IV
-Tangela Evolution (Grass), evolves from Tangela at level 44, Replaced by Tangrowth in Gen IV
-Lickitung Evolution (Normal), evolves from Lickitung at level 32, Replaced by Lickilicky in Gen IV
-Leafeon (Grass), evolves from Eevee with Leaf Stone, Returns with minor cosmetic changes in Gen IV

Now for the really neat stuff: Pre-evolutions and Evolutions that exist in the beta, but not in the final version or any game since then:
-Vulpix Pre-evolution (Water, coders think this typing is an error), Evolves into Vuplix at level 13
-Tangela Pre-evolution (Grass), evolves into Tangela at level 22
-Goldeen Pre-evolution (Water), evolves into Goldeen at level 16
-Paras Pre-evolution (Bug), evolves into Paras at level 12
-Ditto Evolution (Normal), evolves from Ditto when traded with Metal Coat
-Doduo Pre-evolution (Normal/Flying), evolves into Doduo at level 16
-Meowth Pre-evolution (Normal), evolves into Meowth at level 14
-Ponyta Pre-evolution (Normal), evolves into Ponyta at level 20
-Grimer Pre-evolution (Poison), evolves into Grimer at level 19
-Growlithe Pre-evolution (Fire), evolves into Growlithe at level 13
-Weepinbell Split Evolution (Grass/Poison), evolves from Weepinbell with Poison Stone
-Farfetch'd Evolution (Normal/Flying), evolves from Farfetch'd at level 24
-Pinsir Evolution (Bug), evolves from Pinsir at level 42, strongly resembles Heracross mixed with some Pinsir traits

So in the beta of Pokemon Gold, among the 1oo New Pokemon, 36 of them were related to Kanto Pokemon in some form, and 17 of those were of the useless pre-evolution variety.

Gen II Pokemon with beta-exclusive Pre-evolutions/Evolutions:
-Girafarig Pre-evolution (both are Normal/Dark in the beta)
-Qwilfish Evolution (both are pure Water in the beta, its evolution is basically beta Whiscash, same body type and lips with a little lightning-bolt symbol on its forehead)

Gen II Pokemon with Pre-evolutions/Evolutions added in the final version:
-Quagsire (was pure Water in the beta)
-Sunflora (was Grass/Psychic in the beta)
-Marill
-Togepi
-Snubull (was Psychic in the beta)

Also of note is a pure water type that resembles the shell on Slowbro and Slowking, but coding-wise seems to be completely unrelated to both the Shellder and Slowpoke lines.

Pictures:

Spoiler: Beta Town Map

Spoiler: Beta Kanto

Spoiler: Beta Overworld Map(Warning: Really Big)

Also a bonus:

Spoiler: Rememeber this feature from HGSS?

 

[Sable]

Anyone else think the pokemon next to Crobat looks a little like a Gorebyss with downs syndrome?

This whole thing is pretty cool, have any other gens of beta stuff except for 1 or 2 been released?

 

[Dunsparce]

Anyone else think the pokemon next to Crobat looks a little like a Gorebyss with downs syndrome?

This whole thing is pretty cool, have any other gens of beta stuff except for 1 or 2 been released?

There are beta demos of Ruby/Sapphire and Diamond/Pearl, both working the same way(you have a few new Pokemon to try out on one of the routes that is closed off from everything else), however the changes from what we have seen haven't been as drastic as Gen II's beta demo. the big ones in the Gen III demo IIRC is that Sharpedo is a standalone Pokemon and that some Pokemon species(including Sharpedo) had no ability at all. The demos themselves haven't leaked yet.

The sprites slightly differed, but in both all of the Pokemon and even the closed off location make it into the final version

 

[Sable]

There was also an ability which wasn't used, though IIRC it would have had the same effect of Soundproof.

 

[Dunsparce]

There was also an ability which wasn't used, though IIRC it would have had the same effect of Soundproof.

Cacophony. I imagine it was originally going to be on the Whismur line since it makes more sense than soundproof.

Don't why they never used it, it would be far from the only redundant ability in Gen III(Battle Armor/Shell Armor, Insomnia/Vital Spirit, Huge Power/Pure Power, and Air Lock/Cloud Nine)

 

[Sable]

Yeah, it was in a video I watched about dummied out stuff.

There's plenty of R/S stuff in FR/LG that went unused too.

 

[Drawets Rednaxela]

In terms of the "never before seen Pokemon" that was teased, I get the feeling it might be Gorochu. Given that when mentioning cut mons from Gen 1, Gorochu seemed to have a specific mention. Admittedly, if true, it would mean that the Pikachu family becomes a four stage family. Of course, I'm most likely very wrong, but given how Pikachu is the series mascot, I also wouldn't be surprised if this ultimately happened.

There's no reason Gorochu can't be an alternate Pikachu evolution tho'. Hell, one half of the box mascots for Let's Go is the poster child for branched evolution!

 

[Dunsparce]

There's no reason Gorochu can't be an alternate Pikachu evolution tho'. Hell, one half of the box mascots for Let's Go is the poster child for branched evolution!

From the beta of Gold/Silver that was leaked recently, they did just that to Slowking. In the beta version of the game it was the evolution of Slowbro. In the final version of the game it was instead a branched evolution of Slowpoke. So it wouldn't be the first time they did something like that if that's the path they take.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

I woke up this morning to fucking find this. You never know what the internet will give you the next day. Holy shit. I never would have ever thought something like this would have leaked.

Apparently the shit is fully playable too. I mean, trainers would be incomplete, but aren't all of these Pokemon including the Deleted Pokemon available to play as?

Because I love that baby Doduo and of course, that baby Vulpix.

Man, the whole franchise would have been so different.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Anyone else think the pokemon next to Crobat looks a little like a Gorebyss with downs syndrome?

This whole thing is pretty cool, have any other gens of beta stuff except for 1 or 2 been released?

There was a debug ROM (in german) of Ruby released years ago.

 

[Dunsparce]

The Pokemon from the beta, now in Color(Only on the Super Gameboy, the demo is older than even the concept of the Gameboy Color)

Spoiler

 

[SnowBall]

Someone should make a thread on all the salt I've seen on the these games. There's pure gold on them, I promise you.

In all honesty, I've wanted games like these for awhile. It pretty different, but that doesn't make it a BAD thing per se. We even got confirmation that GF is making a another game akin to the regular ones next year. It's pretty much a win/win for casuals and competitive players.

What I do NOT understand are the people complaining that this game sucks already from a 3 minute trailer. I have to say out of all the franchises I've seen Pokemon fans have got to be some of the most stubborn people I've seen in any fandom. People complain the game is getting stale, they change it even a little bit and people bitch about it. Even when it's CONFIRMED to be a spinoff, people bitch about not getting what they want despite the fact you're still getting your regular game. What the hell?

Not to mention the fans who for ages have been crying for Game Freak to make a Pokemon game with more focus on the story line and darker themes. Generation 7 gave both and these same fans whined about all the cut scenes and the plot being too intense for a Pokemon game.

This reminds me of Pokemon Colosseum. The story line was more involved and quite dark for a Pokemon game yet it wasn't very well received from what I remember.

As for this upcoming game I watched the trailer and I have to admit it looks pretty interesting. I'm also really happy that they didn't bring back the HM mechanic. I really hope this sticks if we ever get a Sinnoh remake.

 

[Hodor]

There are beta demos of Ruby/Sapphire and Diamond/Pearl, both working the same way(you have a few new Pokemon to try out on one of the routes that is closed off from everything else), however the changes from what we have seen haven't been as drastic as Gen II's beta demo. the big ones in the Gen III demo IIRC is that Sharpedo is a standalone Pokemon and that some Pokemon species(including Sharpedo) had no ability at all. The demos themselves haven't leaked yet.

The sprites slightly differed, but in both all of the Pokemon and even the closed off location make it into the final version

I think part of why we haven't seen anything nearly as drastic as this leak was because, as far as I know, Gold and Silver are the only games to be shown to public in such an early state of development. Like, there's probably similar betas for the other games rotting in Gamefreak storage, or being horded by a beta collector like this one apparently was.

What I find most interesting about this beta is how Lugia just straight up doesn't exist, which probably shows this was so early in development that the second cover legendary isn't even in the game- that or Lugia wasn't going to exist in the first place.

also the legendary beasts all look like the sorta shit you'd find in the animal control board.

 

[KO 864]

When are we getting an Orange Island game?

https://www.pokemoner.com/2018/02/pokemon-naranja-english-completed-version.html there's always the crappy fangame.

The Pokemon from the beta, now in Color(Only on the Super Gameboy, the demo is older than even the concept of the Gameboy Color)

Spoiler

I kind of wish we got these Pokémon instead of the final gen 2. They all look so unique and stuff as opposed to what we actually got. The octillery actually looks like a tank instead of an octopus, Polliteoad (my favourite) is even cooler, aipom is adorable, girafarig is way better, the evolutions for weepinbell would have given it more parallels to the oddish line, and the pinsir Evo would have strengthened goes to scyhter, the fire starter is actually good, quilfish and farfetch'd would have been made useful through evolution, the pre-evolutions are cuter and I need meowsy in my life, and I would have loved to have had Slowkings and Slowbros attachment as a Mon on its own. It would have been better to an extent. oh well, at least we didn't get that purple panda thing.

 

[Catastrophe-TM]

The Pokemon from the beta, now in Color(Only on the Super Gameboy, the demo is older than even the concept of the Gameboy Color)

Spoiler

I personally liked the other palette someone edited and posted on tumblr; it uses the final game's colors and it makes the beta mons a lot more expressive.

 

[cruderudedude]

All the games that would have blown my 10 year old balls off are only just now being released and it's making me into a sad old man. And also being released on the most expensive console around right now