Plummeting Birthrates Watch Thread - The horrifying implications of living in a Children of Men situation.

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Our culture of "mom's have the most difficult job in the world and childbirth is super traumatizing" has probably done more for declining birth rates along with the other propaganda women have about not settling down. there's a reason all it took was covid for many mothers to realize how much they prefered living at home and working at home and raising the kids vs having a man's job.
Yep, but whats gets me is that the standards of being a house wife have fallen. Which frankly was a easy job to begin with.

I'm suprised how many of my friends wife's or GF's can't sew on a button nevermind sew holes in clothes. Then there is the cooking. It's fucking shocking how many females my age {and I shudder to think of the lack of skill in the younger gen) can't fucking cook. And, the ones that do ...usually cook some youtube shit or some recipy from the net that 10 out of 9 times is garbage flavour wise. Or worse yet some Jamie Oliver shit. And as far as taking care of the home ? they might vacuum the bloody living room and tiedy up the place. You take a look at the shower you 'll find dirty walls, pubes and mold.

Then there is basic fucking money managment skill. Fuck or and I shit you not i know women that have trouble doing groceries above 10 euro at the end of the month when they need to watch their spending. Simply because they have trouble with adding.

And one would think they'd use the calculators on their phone. Nope, most either are to ashamed and one didn't even know how to use it.
 
Japan's been trying it for years and yet their birthrate is still going down.
Yeah it’s not purely economic. It’s the whole environment that’s not conducive to raising kids. If you overcrowd and stress animals, and put them under resource stress, they don’t breed well. We need a profound rethink of how we live. It’s just a shame the people wanting to ‘reset’ us are utter morons with no decent ideas
@rubik are these housewives or women working? If they’re working, then the onus is also on the man to do the shower cleaning and the button sewing. If you both work, you share the domestics.
 
Being a housewife is only easy if you aren't actually doing housework and are shoving it all on your eldest daughters like fundies do.

If you just plan on parentifying your eldest children and making them do all the work, you shouldn't reproduce.
 
That's a cultural "hard stop" harder than a obsidian slab...buuuut a lot of young guys simply do not have a choice for years on end.
There are many of these "hard stops", and more keep being added.

Somewhere around 2020, I went from being a tall person to a manlet, not due to a change in my height, but because the standard women demanded changed from 6' to 6'3. Somewhere along the way "own a car" changed to "own a car from 2020 or newer". I don't blame men who, on seeing how stacked the deck is and how far the goalposts are moved, just decide to check out and do their own thing.
 
Then there is basic fucking money managment skill. Fuck or and I shit you not i know women that have trouble doing groceries above 10 euro at the end of the month when they need to watch their spending. Simply because they have trouble with adding.
Blame the removal of "home economics" classes for a big part of that. One of the last remnants of the Age of Sanity in schools was home ec where you learned the absolute basics of independent life like budgeting, cooking, etc. I distinctly remember my textbook having a section on how to properly change a baby's diaper.

RIP home ec/life skills classes, killed by feminism and shrieking about "sexizzm". Math classes alone (not that they're much good now either) are insufficient to apply numerical skills in daily life. A couple word problems can't really show Sally how to make ends meet on $15/hour nor will her parents telling her "lol buy less Starbucks".

There are many of these "hard stops", and more keep being added.
Not surprised. Lifestyle inflation is really biting our culture in the ass. There's currently a Reddit thread where, yet again, women are on camera demanding absolutely looney standards of their potential mates, to the usual cries of "insel redpyll herp derp!!!1!!1" and outpouring of weapons-grade copium.
 
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Cultural values, less stable relationships, insecurities and failing economies.

Dating market is broken. Different countries have different reasons and attitudes.

In anglosphere and Slavic countries epidemic of mental illness, trust issues and concerns about the future.

Late Hans Rosling had a habit of trolling university professors and overpopulation alarmist, human population


Human population will never peak feared 11 billion overpopulation at this point.

Nothing short of adoption of artificial wombs will fix Like this, concept and Ramifications of it is mortifying
 
Somewhere around 2020, I went from being a tall person to a manlet, not due to a change in my height, but because the standard women demanded changed from 6' to 6'3. Somewhere along the way "own a car" changed to "own a car from 2020 or newer". I don't blame men who, on seeing how stacked the deck is and how far the goalposts are moved, just decide to check out and do their own thing.
That's insane. 97% of American men are bellow 6'3".
If she was Dutch on the other hand, maybe it'd make sense.
 
I like to think of the present catastrophe as a glorious filter to weed out all but the most religious, trashy, or rich. It seems that poor negros and trailer trash are still pumping out welfare bucks babies, elon musk has a pregnancy fetish, and the mormons are probably going to do just fine. It's just the middle class normies keeping the lights on that will go extinct. Everything will be alright.
 
I think if you make it socially ‘cool’ you’ll manage. Women are herd animals. If you make it a fight you’ll lose but if you make it rhe done thing it’ll happen
Obviously I have a dog in this fight as a woman and I don’t want to be chattel. But look at the response to the tradwife stuff. Yes, most are larpers but the response is extreme from tptb. I think they know that if it catches on as a trend then women will prefer it over shitty jobs. That’s why it’s so derided and demonised
Women are more susceptible to pressure yes but here is the problem a) you need men willing and able to provide for family b) you need less than 10% of the women to be end up childless at 40 current projections are 20% for milenials, 30 for zoomers c) you need lawful framework where women are protected from the consequences of being stay at home for decades when the husband decides to upgrade for younger and better version of her .

The reason why women react so hard at it because they know a) its available to the lucky few, b) courts and society penalize stay at home moms
C) the men are unwilling and unable to do it and will expect them to have a job on top of it.
 
It's interesting to see the progression of this thread. People were more than happy to talk about the economic woes causing a lot of these problems, but when problems with modern dating come into it, suddenly it's negative rating and silence.

This is what I mentioned way back on the first page when I said a lot of the solutions are verboten. Boomers don't want to hear that their obsession with house prices and line-go-up is causing problems, choosing instead to blame "lazy millennials and zoomers". Politicians don't want to deal with the consequences of high taxes and stupid policies because doing so would be career ending. And problems with modern dating and gender relations are ignored because addressing them would mean admitting incels and MRAs were right.

That's insane. 97% of American men are bellow 6'3".
I remember the OKCupid study/data about a decade ago that revealed 80% of women were chasing the top 20% of guys. Now it currently sits at 80% of women chasing the top 3-5%.

There was some incel video that crunched the numbers, and for a 6/10 guy, 3% of swipes led to a match, 3% of matches led to a DM, 3% of DMs led to a date, and none of the dates ended up in relationships because the numbers were so low by that point.




Since it wasn't added to the OP, here's some of the birthgap stuff.

The Lotus Eaters interview. Gripping stuff despite the host.
 
'Modern marriage', as modified and re-invented by boomer men and boomer women for their own personal gains has become an exercise in suicide.

No one can, nor they will ever say that out loud. How do you confront reality when you need to create a half hour preamble so you do not offend baby boomers and the globalists they worship before you can as much as show a line chart that they will immediately dismiss anyway?

Penis go into vagina. Same vagina. Repeat. Nowhere in nature or in any human endeavor is their an easier, simpler or more abundant and 'free' solution to any problem. Yet there is no faster way to ruin your life, and commit literal or figurative suicide. That's quite the incentive.
 
That's insane. 97% of American men are bellow 6'3".
If she was Dutch on the other hand, maybe it'd make sense.
Women are biologically programmed to be overly demanding. It's possible that the intensity we advertise ourselves has pushed those standards up even more.... but even a 2 woman wants to push for that 9. It's about getting the biggest possible win in the mate selection game. If they realized average woman were demanding 6', then them wanting a superlative would demand 6'3".

People eventually need to recognize their own shortcomings and settle for more realistic standards. A lot eventually do. Hell, I even knew one relationship where the guy was like a 2 and landed a girl who was at least way more attractive than you would have thought he would get. I mean a lumpy nerd seems like they'd eventually end up with a lumpy nerd they at least share the same passions with.

I have known women who held out too long for an ideal mate and realized they would never accomplish their dream of children. It would just be them, their job and their tiny dog in this case. She had a decent job, but she was strikingly fat and in her late 30s, but didn't acknowledge where she lost her points as she judged others.

On the other side of things, a guy I knew who was mentally slow and kind of meh by the other standards, was dead set on getting a fresh out of high school model. He's on route to die without ever having a date because he wouldn't set an attainable goal... which in his case would probably be "She has a pulse, she's not inherently evil." I mean an anime con with other awkward nerds would probably have been his best shot, but instead he just leered after high school girls.

Main character syndrome, maybe? 5'2" guy I know still gets pussy because he was willing to go with "Shares interests" as his main point. And the 3 girl he's with realized it's better at their age to just not be alone.
 
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It's interesting to see the progression of this thread. People were more than happy to talk about the economic woes causing a lot of these problems, but when problems with modern dating come into it, suddenly it's negative rating and silence.
throughout history, if there's one thing people without money have excelled at, it's at having tons of children. tons of children they couldn't "technically" afford on paper, and yet they made it work somehow

what millenials and zoomers mean when they say it's too expensive to raise a child is that it's too expensive to both raise a child and keep their standard of living. unless you're making a ton of money (which they also feel entitled to) you have to cut back on every area of your life to raise a child. you have to be willing to have realistic expectations and the ability to compromise and make hard decisions, all of which younger people are pretty much incapable of

of course, it's hard to blame them. to get through rocky times you need a solid community and a good partner and the quality of both have fallen of a cliff

boomers and gen x dropped religion and replaced it with divorce, healing crystals, chiropractors, opiates, FOX/MSNBC, and cruise trips. they pulled out the rug of stable community and values they grew up with and told their children it was bad and evil

for their partners, women have to deal with parasitic manchild coomers who spend all day watching vtubers/playing video games and don't know how to build or fix shit. men have to deal with neurotic, narcissistic consoomers who spend all day activist simping on social media for muslims, blacks, trannies, criminals (i know, i already said blacks), and other people who would gladly rob/rape/subjugate them given the chance. and, of course, everyone is fat which doesn't help

there's a lot of broken shit right now that will take a lot of work to fix, but that might mean admitting that some traditional rules and roles for men and women were actually justified. so we'll just keep importing mexicans to keep labor costs low. time to brush up on spanish so you can find a plumber or roofer
 
I love it when Thunderdome denizens make it abundantly clear why women don't want to go near them with a 20 foot pole.
 
I love it when Thunderdome denizens make it abundantly clear why women don't want to go near them with a 20 foot pole.
your only insight to this problem has been "things are too expensive and there are too many people on this planet anyway," which are your usual, tired 2002-level takes on issues. do you have any actual suggestions on ways to fix the birthrate issue? before you say "more money" that doesn't seem to have fixed problems in other countries that have tried monetary rewards for births

ignoring the issue and letting government-sanctioned mass illegal immigration of roman catholics, muslims, and pajeets into the country is a certainly an option. i'm not a wHiTe RePlAcEmEnT doomer like a lot of A&H and as a man those kinds of people certainly won't be voting my rights away
 
do you have any actual suggestions on ways to fix the birthrate issue?
The assumption that it needs to be fixed is symptomatic of the larger problem, which is the belief that eternal growth is necessary to sustain... something. The underlying "something" always ends up being corporate profit and government tax revenues, which is why constantly rising immigration is popular across the political spectrum; corporate shits want a cheap workforce and political hacks want more productive adults to control and levy taxes on.

A sensible solution would be to allow the population to contract until it reaches an equilibrium. No more immigration, no more demands for endless line-goes-up. Anything that tries to maintain the status quo of perpetual growth simply makes the eventual contraction more painful for all involved.
 
A sensible solution would be to allow the population to contract until it reaches an equilibrium. No more immigration, no more demands for endless line-goes-up. Anything that tries to maintain the status quo of perpetual growth simply makes the eventual contraction more painful for all involved.
i think that sounds like a reasonable plan, but who's actually going to start the process of downsizing the economy? even with the hilariously bad situations with immigration in NY and California immigration support among democrats is at historic highs according to gallup, even with the average person also acknowledging that immigrants are terrible for taxes, crime, and drugs

combine that with TDS and "kids in cages" and it's not just elites who push for mass immigration, but common people of the left persuasion as well. even in the poll that says there was a sharp increase of people who think there should be a "decrease" in immigration, i'm sure the actual driving thought is "just decrease immigration where I live (a little)." without a steady stream of immigrants the cheap labor people have gotten accustomed to will dry up

it sure seems like things are going to need to get a lot worse before people start changing their minds on infinite growth. we'll see
 
Oh wow, guess I hit a nerve with people of both sexes who can't find a life partner or face the reality that maybe you aren't all that and being a bit overly demanding in your expectations of others and might have to concede a few points unless you are okay with dying alone. I even threw in a 5'2" guy and a homely girl I'm friends with found love together and have been in a happy relationship for years while other guys and girls I know aren't willing to and ended up missing out on the experiences they coveted. I feel kind of sad for them, because I still think they had a shot if they were willing to be a bit more realistic, but for some of their goals they have run out of time. (As in, they both wanted kids, but now are post menopausal or already a nearing 50 year old guy who still wants to pickup that 18 year old girl of his dreams for the past 30 years despite still living with his parents.)

Or maybe it's just that people are in denial that the vast majority of female history was about securing the best and most reliable partner they can, because they are the gatekeepers to partnering as the limiting resource in reproduction and make the heftier investment in it? That's like, pretty common for mammals and birds; animals that have to invest in parenting. Women who picked poorly were less reproductively successful, so choosiness tends to be a trait that gets emphasized over time. I think there are a few species that are male driven selection and for them, and you can see it in reverse there.

This isn't nefarious, it's just default programming... which is kind of useless now. As a species we aren't really adapted to our modern world in many ways and generally run into problems because of it. Still, it's worthwhile to acknowledge what were important survival instincts for your cave ancestors, and when you should buck back against them. Another one would be your drive to eat like famine lurks around every corner when that's extremely unlikely in modern western society and will just make you fat.

These hunter-gatherer era adaptations are also why humans are serial monogamous and don't mate once and become inseparably and exclusively bonded. It was beneficial for couples to stick together long enough to raise one kid past the non-contributing to the tribe years, then sometimes go pair up with different people. Benefits genetic diversity in small groups, helps better your overall chance of getting through a bottle neck, thus passing on the trait to do that. A lot of animals we consider monogamous often have females who will eventually move on, because that's just a good species continuation instinct.

A sensible solution would be to allow the population to contract until it reaches an equilibrium. No more immigration, no more demands for endless line-goes-up. Anything that tries to maintain the status quo of perpetual growth simply makes the eventual contraction more painful for all involved.

I think the overall problem we need to face for contraction is to accept that social security is just a legalized pyramid scheme and will collapse. If we do reach the point where we have robotic caretakers, I guess that will be one rather depressing solution to "What do we do will all these elderly who can't care for themselves anymore."

It's worthwhile to fix though, because it's never going to become an easier bridge to cross. I just accepted that the system will bankrupt before I retire and I'll probably have to work until I die and they yeet my body into a dumpster.

I don't think the population is going to crash like a rat utopia, though, just hit a lower stability point. Although, I might still be surprised.
 
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