Plummeting Birthrates Watch Thread - The horrifying implications of living in a Children of Men situation.

[ZazietheBeast]

i think that sounds like a reasonable plan, but who's actually going to start the process of downsizing the economy? even with the hilariously bad situations with immigration in NY and California immigration support among democrats is at historic highs according to gallup, even with the average person also acknowledging that immigrants are terrible for taxes, crime, and drugs

combine that with TDS and "kids in cages" and it's not just elites who push for mass immigration, but common people of the left persuasion as well. even in the poll that says there was a sharp increase of people who think there should be a "decrease" in immigration, i'm sure the actual driving thought is "just decrease immigration where I live (a little)." without a steady stream of immigrants the cheap labor people have gotten accustomed to will dry up

it sure seems like things are going to need to get a lot worse before people start changing their minds on infinite growth. we'll see

Things are steadily getting worse in California. There are cartels running amok in the deserts and forests, cops are barely able to do their job, education is nothing more than a globohomo propaganda center (keep seeing DIE garbage, gay flags and safe spaces at campuses) even in Red holdouts, there is also the very real possibility of San Francisco collapsing utterly. Like Detroit bad. You can bet the MSM will do everything they can to divert attention from their stupidity when it becomes another CHAZ or CHOP situation. Throw in the steady evacuation of Commiefornians onto different states... the state is dying.

Thanks to above conditions, people aren't really having kids except for the Muzzies and Beans. Both who aren't big fans of the homo part of globo.

 

[SIMIΔN]

. Both who aren't big fans of the homo part of globo.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought GloboHomo was short for global homogenisation, turning the world into culturally homogenised atomised substitable cogs. With no identity beyond which multinational megacorp they slave and consume for

 

[Keystone]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought GloboHomo was short for global homogenisation, turning the world into culturally homogenised atomised substitable cogs. With no identity beyond which multinational megacorp they slave and consume for

You're not wrong, but those individuals and corporations doing it use (literal) faggotry to erode and subvert traditional structures and institutions in order to achieve their goal of a homogenous slave world. So the "homo" part of globohomo works in more than one very apt way; just serendipity, really.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Having and raising children is a universe of difference since the mid 20th century compared to every other year in human history. You birth a downy in 1900, it died in short order. Now? Its a lifelong commitment that will not come remotely close to returning the time and resources you invested in them(both at a family and societal level).

No point explaining a person who hasn't opened a book to read about infant and child mortality rates, most people are shocked if you reach 15 in roman times you had high chance to reach 60 . Life expectancy was 33 years at birth because 15 to 60 % of the children were dying before reaching adulthood, autism of a sudden became a thing because kids fucking lived and government forced you to keep it alive or else, if your kid was tarded the elders of the village will convince the young parents that their kid is challenging and to leave it exposed on a pile of dung ( read kill it) so the fairy takes it back and returns the real kid. Or the concept of mabiki , leaving out children in roman times etc. Just to give you an idea how far has medicine gone a person with downs sindrom in 1900s had life expectancy of 10, 25 in 1980s now is 50 years + . People rarely had gaggle of children they pushed out kids and prayed one or two of them survives , I think the most brutal example of it was rasputin he was one of 8 children and only surviving child of his parents. Shit was that bad nigga not to mention unlike now you had women gathering together and the whole comunity raised kids together . You had grandmothers, aunts, uncles , neigbours etc coming and helping just ask any pajeet who was raised in a village will tell you they were babysat by every teenage girl in the vilage. Try that with your older children and you will have whole CPS and every karen down your throat for parentification and parental neglect . Yeah people raised gaggle of kids but they also didnt had the goverment down their throats and there were no laws against child labour.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I've personally chosen to live a modest life. I don't have the things I'm "expected to have." Nobody's harmed me or my family as a result.

What I mean by "expected to have" is a boss that demands you own a mobile phone so he can reach you 24/7, even if it's not a job where you're "on call". There's a stigma to living with parents, so if you're stuck at home because you can't buy a house, good luck getting a girlfriend.

Today, you can go on ebay, type "used" + [whatever you want] and have it delivered to your house in a week. Please, "second hand isn't an option" is the biggest load of horseshit.

You can, but it depends what you want on if it'll matter. Second hand PC games have basically gone due to everything being tied to accounts. There was a huge demand on used cars not too long ago for a number of reasons that meant getting something drivable for under £1000 was next to impossible. There was a guy doing deliveries on an electric bike in my neighborhood complaining about having to ride around on bald tires because they were a proprietary size and didn't sell replacements.

 

[Wesley Willis]

I haven't seen this much autism outside of A&N in a long time.

 

[mofu mofo]

Second hand PC games have basically gone due to everything being tied to accounts.

However, it's easier than ever to find old games and they're now cheap as fuck if you're on PC and can wait 3+ years. In the 90s, you waited a year or 2 and the really popular games would be republished by some company like Sold Out Software but they'd still cost you £15 or £20 instead of £35. After that, 2nd hand was your only choice. Star Wars: Squadrons was released in 2020 and it's currently on 95% discount in the Steam sale. I can also buy MDK which is from 1997, though it costs 3x as much as Squadrons does right now, or Hexen which is from 1995. It has introduced a new issue with devs pulling their games from sale like they're a film on Netflix but that's quite rare. If you don't want to pay there's abandonware, which is games from defunct developers, and there's often community patches to get them working on modern systems.

You had grandmothers, aunts, uncles , neigbours etc coming and helping just ask any pajeet who was raised in a village will tell you they were babysat by every teenage girl in the vilage.

The Nuclear Family and the highly mobile working population that it was intended to create has ended grandparenting for a lot of people. It's somewhat inconvenient to drop your kids off with the 'rents while you're at work when they live several hours away. Having smaller families has also reduced the supply of aunts and uncles.

 

[Hyro]

Without immigration the population would just cycle between high and low levels of growth. This is pretty common among animal populations, where as prey species become more populace, so do predators, then as the predators over consume, the predator species decreases so on and so forth. The same applies to human resources, as you get more people, the finite resources you have become diluted between more and more people, who then cut back on the amount of kids they have as the costs rise. The west also has the additional issue of sending kids to school for 21 years, and then those kids moving 300 miles away to pursue their career, which ultimately means there's no real incentive to have kids outside of them being essentially a very expensive hobby, unlike the third world where kids usually start working and providing for the family very early on thus they actually contribute to the family. The western approach ensure that most people are only going to have one to three kids at most because there's no real benefit to having more than that and instead focus on a quality over quantity approach to kids.

The problem is the government tried to fudge the system by importing migrants to prop it up for longer, but ultimately that will eventually collapse as well except it'll be 100x more painful than it would have if they'd just let it fluctuate naturally because now you're throwing ethnic tensions into the mix as well. A lot of very dumb short term thinking has pretty much ensured that coming off the growth addiction is going to be a painful process.

 

[Clotso Coof]

If you look at Western countries, the only non-immigrant groups with high birthrates are ultra-religious, and usually a minority religious faction that keeps separate from society to some degree. Amish, Mormons, Hasidic Jews, weird off-shoot Evangelical Christians, conservative Muslims in Arab-heavy cities, etc.

In my experience, Atheists + birth control = almost zero birthrate.
Liberal religion-lite + birth control = below replacement level birthrate.
The three families I know with 5+ kids are all super-duper Christians who don't believe in evolution (cause Bible).

What if only the dopiest splinter religions can save the Western whites?
Will we all need to teach our kids that Bible Camp song, "I'm Not Related to a Monkey", in order to have lots of grandchildren?

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I’ve got a plan to fix it.

Have a culture where children have some idea of what their parents do and murder rape public education workers.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Soon the most populated city will be in Nigeria.

 

[Flamin Park]

It's less a birth rate crisis and more a longevity crisis
The entire social security system has always been a ponzi scheme and you don't fix a ponzi scheme by expanding it earlier

We either need to genetically modify humans so they're actually built to last 70-80 years or we need to stop supporting people too old and sick to support themselves and let them die off
They're a huge drain on society

Let's look at south Korea under a solution like this:

Much better without having to raise taxes or import third worlders

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

This may sound like Schizoposting but the apocalypse is gonna be far from over. I predict in 50 years our cities would look like something seen in Life After People (just with wandering nomads and a bunch of free houses). But yeah. In Japan, making a living seems to be free at this point because of a lot of dilapidated houses awaiting vacancy. That's how dire the situation is in Japan. This will soon come to America.

Also in China.

 

[cybertoaster]

I thought we had an overpopulation problem? so which one is it?

the liberal solutions of mass immigration and financial incentives don't fix it

What financial incentives? having a child has never been more expensive than it is now, specially with public education going to shit so now you have to pay for a private school that costs more than college did 20 years ago which was already a ripoff back then. Government provides zero incentives for the middle class and up to have kids besides token tax benefits that don't cover one hundredth of the burden. The only one actually getting actual benefits to breed are the lowest classes that contribute nothing as they are unemployable, not even blue collar.

and other possible solutions are considered verboten

Like what?

The usual conservatives take of "banning birth control" won't work because all that will do is create accidental births nobody wanted, possibly leading to other social problems down the line

Yeah like romania, if we're lucky those unwanted kids will minecraft our politicians, like in romania.

Also, I feel like tastes have changed? If that's the right word. People want to live life untethered. Women want to have purpose other than being tied to children and the kitchen. They just don't feel fulfilled. I think that there's a lot of women very happy with being single or child free and all those whiny articles about how that's false are sampling a tiny amount of women who never know what they want anyway. We're not walking wombs and shouldn't be seen as such.

That's been a thing for a while now, it started with boomer hippies in the late 70's, even back then kids were seeing as a drag, hippies had kids (and were terrible at parenting) because nature and shit but yuppies wanted to have time and money to buy corvettes, travel around and go to swinger (read: cuck) parties.......until they got AIDS that's it. I know more than a few boomers who didn't have kids

As for the women, plenty of boomer women in my family went to college got a job and still had kids, few women born after the 1950's chose to be a housewife, and after reaganomics deindustrialized the country few households had the luxury of being single-income anyway.

And nobody outside religious fundies sees women as walking wombs, that's radfem propaganda.

Social media has made it so easy to connect yet everyone seems a lot more lonely.

Because the point is not to connect you to anyone but to show you content and ads so you will CONSOOM, that's their biz model and its more profitable than you'd think.

Then you see how much the wallflower population has increased

Has it? or maybe they were always wallflowers? is like incels, they were always there but we just didn't notice because who cares about a guy with no friends or a girlfriend? society barely cares about men in general let alone "failed" ones. Who only know these people exist now because they are posting online.

So we've got the most social era ever churning out the most socially stunted people.

If any zoomies or alphies try going skibidi on me I'm going columbine on their asses.

The world can't take billions more humans as it is, with climate change and other ecocides we are committing on it.

I'm gonna get a lot of angery hats but the reality is that its the first world lifestyle that's destroying the planet. That 100 million chinese entering that level is what's destroying the ecology of that country, the rice farmer in some village uses few resources, just like an african living in a hut. Those countries in that fertility map also tend to be the poorest less developed of their respective regions, bolivia is the poorest country in LATAM besides haiti. In many of those countries people live on less than a dollar a day, holocausting them would do nothing to the environment.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Honestly? The biggest cause of this issue that so many people are afraid to discuss because of the fear of being called some variant of "-ist" is the fact that if you give women total freedom, they almost always choose to avoid having kids. Notice how the few groups that manage to maintain sky-high birthrates in developed nations are almost always religious zealots that heavily restrict the freedoms of their women.

Yeah, Africa has a high birthrate, but legit, how many of those babies have managed to survive to be able to have children of their own?

Nowadays? The majority of them. Thank Western aid for that one, and guess what? They'll all soon be coming to a city near you!

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Honestly? The biggest cause of this issue that so many people are afraid to discuss because of the fear of being called some variant of "-ist" is the fact that if you give women total freedom, they almost always choose to avoid having kids. Notice how the few groups that manage to maintain sky-high birthrates in developed nations are almost always religious zealots that heavily restrict the freedoms of their women.

Nowadays? The majority of them. Thank Western aid for that one, and guess what? They'll all soon be coming to a city near you!

Niggers relied on us for help in those countries, but once we white people go extinct, those niggers so dependent on us would have to rely on eachother and if they can't help themselves be independent. They'll rely on the jews to enslave them. However, nigger fertility is already starting to fail. Nigeria would have only so much. However, Jewish fertility remains stable the whole time.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Government provides zero incentives for the middle class and up to have kids besides token tax benefits that don't cover one hundredth of the burden. The only one actually getting actual benefits to breed are the lowest classes that contribute nothing as they are unemployable, not even blue collar.

Those are the type of thing I mean. Be it tax breaks, benefits, mandatory paid maternity leave, even child support. However it's phrased, it amounts to being paid for having kids.

Like what?

Some ideas are not allowed to be discussed because of politics include fixing the housing market. But this won't happen as it would mean ending mass immigration. Tax cuts to get the economy back on track are ignored because it would mean cutting the NHS and/or defaulting on boomer pensions.


But one major sticking point is women.

Over the last few months (ie. After I made that post), I've noticed a lot of "incel" and "MGTOW" talking points going mainstream, although the origin of them is denied because those groups are considered bad. Let's go over a couple.

Women have high standards in the west, like, insanely high standards. A decade ago, incels and mgtow were complaining that 80% of women were chasing the top 20% of guys. Recently I've heard that number is as low as 80% of women are chasing the top 1.3% of men. They judge men based on things like height, earnings, and does he own a house. In 2020 I turned from a tall person to a "short king" not by a change in my own height, but from the acceptable minimum changing for 6 foot to 6.2 (I'm 6.1).

Telling women they need to seriously consider what it is they want is not allowed. Telling them to get off dating apps that are warping their standards is laughed at. The only solution you're allowed to talk about is "men need to step up", but it's basically impossible to gain height, owning a home is near impossible for most millenials and zoomers, ghost jobs and affirmative action make getting a decent job difficult, etc.

Another possible solution is to make marriage safe again by getting rid of no fault divorce, or getting rid of divorce incentives like alimony. Hell, even something as simple as the party that initiates the divorce gets nothing could be a possible fix. But at the time that kind of this was dismissed as incel talk, and I've not talked about population collapse with people in a while.


Edit: I'm not saying these would work, but it's hard to even have the discussion when certain phrases trigger people to shut down discussion due to being a "incel talking point" or "mgtow shit".

 

[Fougaro]

Usually, romance isn't among my favourite genres, but I do find myself enjoying some of the romantic classics. Like for example the most beautiful love story ever told: The undying love between a woman and her government.

The ancient Greeks had a concept called agape, the highest form of love. Like for example the love God has towards mankind and vice-versa. Agape is also the most common manifestation of the love men have towards women. Men, being the terminally horny creatures they are, will at their very detriment do ANYTHING for the slightest possibility of a chance of maybe getting some pussy. Even allowing their women to be part of Big Daddy Government's harem.

Big Daddy Government isn't some a bull like for example Tyrone, by no means! He is a generous pimp. An Omegachad. Unlike his hoes' husbands, he doesn't even ask for sex. Big Daddy Government doesn't care how fat, insufferable, psychotic or otherwise irredeemable his hoes get. He couldn't even care less about each of them having a body count that could easily fit on a Holocaust memorial. He doesn't judge them. He doesn't even hold his women accountable - in fact, he will mercileslly pimp smack the men if they try to do so. The only thing Big Daddy Government asks in return are their votes once every four years and for them to pay taxes. Man or woman, under Big Daddy Government no one has to ever grow up.

As if that wasn't enough, Big Daddy Government is also a magician who in comparison makes David Copperfield look like a joke. He pulled off a neat magic trick that made most people, even to this very day, unironically believe that the women in his harem are finally stronk and independent hoes who don't need no man, when what actually happened is that the women's natural dependence merely shifted from their husbands to Big Daddy Government, creating the illusion of empowerment.

Big Daddy Government not only protects his harem with his mighty pimp cane in form of the steadfast presence of the police or the protective might of the military. He also provides for his women through welfare gibs, the family court, mandatory quotas, alimony, child support, maternity leaves and so much more, rendering the men virtually obsolete. Big Daddy Government mogs the absolute shit out of any mortal man in ways that can't even be described in words. But we do have a word for this complex relationship: Feminism.

Not only are women happy with this, but so are the men. One might be tempted to ponder if the men wouldn't be coping, seething and dilating over Big Daddy Government not only turning them into the third wheel, but also disrupting the natural family dynamics and the natural order itself, thus completely buttfucking the family unit, social stability and fertility rates into the dirt. In actuality, however, most men are not just content with this arrangement, but go out of their way to defend it. Men, as said, will do anything in the name of agape.

So how has this love story unfolded so far?

Sasuga! Everything's coming up Milhouse!

No self-respecting love story has a happy ending and must end in tragedy. Even this one. Of course, some haters, in particular sane people incels, want to tear women away from Big Daddy Government and restore the natural in order to avert a total socio-economic collapse or a self-inflicted extinction event. But I ask you, where'd be the romance in that? Thankfully, the civilised world has committed itself to this most beautiful tale of love to the very bitter end, that even thinking about changing the ending is beyond haram. Some, in particular South Korea, have shown their dedication to this romantic narrative to the point of voluntary autogenocide.

Agape, truly the greatest form of love.

 

[Android raptor]

If you look at Western countries, the only non-immigrant groups with high birthrates are ultra-religious, and usually a minority religious faction that keeps separate from society to some degree. Amish, Mormons, Hasidic Jews, weird off-shoot Evangelical Christians, conservative Muslims in Arab-heavy cities, etc.

In my experience, Atheists + birth control = almost zero birthrate.
Liberal religion-lite + birth control = below replacement level birthrate.
The three families I know with 5+ kids are all super-duper Christians who don't believe in evolution (cause Bible).

What if only the dopiest splinter religions can save the Western whites?
Will we all need to teach our kids that Bible Camp song, "I'm Not Related to a Monkey", in order to have lots of grandchildren?

Those people's kids also have a high likelihood of going no contact with at least one parent as adults for good reason.

Many also become childfree, also for a reason (especially the girls that are usually the main ones caring for their siblings before they're even 10).

This may sound like Schizoposting but the apocalypse is gonna be far from over. I predict in 50 years our cities would look like something seen in Life After People (just with wandering nomads and a bunch of free houses).

God I hope so

 

[geckogoy]

Yet it isn't working very well. Western values and feminism seem resistant to even these very strong incentives.

Claiming that nobody having kids is an economic problem is a gayop to distract from real solutions. I keep saying this and nobody believes me, even when you see extreme cases like hungary where the issue still wont budge.

Its purely cultural, and the zeitgeist at this point is basically 'gratify yourself as much and as often as possible' which does not comport with caring about or for anyone but yourself. Its not straightforward to undo the level of damage that has been done and the sooner we commit to a solution to that the better.