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It's derided because it's an obvious LARP. The idea that one spouse can just stay at home and not work is laughable, unless your partner is loaded and doesn't mind humouring you.
Plummeting Birthrates Watch Thread - The horrifying implications of living in a Children of Men situation.
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Yeah it’s a Larp - the ones wafting around on instagram are anyway. But the point is that it’s a seductive Larp. A lot of women look at it and think hey I wish o could stay home and bake cookies instead of shuffling spreadsheets around. The fact it’s not real isn’t really the issue. It’s advertising for a different way of living if you see what I mean.
It used to be very common to have the woman at home. Now it’s not. I do t think it’s take that much for women to say they wanted this back. Over covid a lot of women vanished from my industry as they were needing to look after kids during school closures. Loads never came back - they found they could live on one wage (generally married to higher paid men) but also the shortage of people drove wages up hugely - as in almost doubled.
I genuinely think that if it becomes the socially wanted thing to do, you’d get a lot of women wanting to be housewives. I certainly would if I could
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Because 401ks don't need actual human beings working anywhere to make them have value. When my generation retires, we'll just cash them in and buy goods and services from interdimensional energy beings.
Every single El Ed major I ever met very clearly wanted to be a mother and was only in college because she felt she was somehow letting people down by just saying she wanted a husband and five babies. So instead, she's winning social approval by getting sterilized and following a career path that makes it insanely hard to meet men. Crazily enough, the best MRS degree seems to be mechanical engineering. Barely any ME ladies stayed in the field. They meet their husbands and ditch.
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Imagine the government being so much of a "big brother" that it needs to incentivize its citizens to fuck each other. And imagine men so fucking degenerate that they need to receive financial benefits to ejaculate in that very special lady of their choice.
I love my Eastern European brothers but this shit is just as ridiculous as immigration.
Too lazy to fuck? Bro people like that deserve to die out...
The government as a pimp, the citizen as an "investment"...
Only in Eastern Europe....
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It might happen soon than you think, IIRC there are areas of Lagos in Nigeria that are already subreplacement rate.
The general rate of decline in Africa appears to be something along one less child every 20-25 years.
The more concerning tipping point overall seems around to be once a country passes an annual wage of >$5000 USD then a birthrate decline is inevitable.
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Well they better hurry up. It has been 32 years since that was written and they have 27 years until the deadline. They’re behind schedule by 7 billion.
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Makes perfect sense, once you get past that income level subsistence agriculture and unskilled labor become increasingly less important, making a large family a liability rather than an asset. Europe in the Middle Ages had a sort of natural population control because the children of wealthy and middle class families beyond the first often ended up in ecclesiastical roles (or were forced to) where celibacy and chastity was the norm.
People in the remaining parts of the developing world aren't having a large number of kids because they love the experience of parenthood, it's a result of high child mortality and the need for more hands to help with the harvest and domestic work.
Nigeria's dropping birth rates make a lot of sense in that context. The rich and middle classes in Lagos or Abuja (or Accra and Kumasi for that matter) are equally as well off as their counterparts in the OECD. You just plain don't need as many children in an automated, mechanized world.
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thats another great point, look at shit like baby yoda or that netflix show with a woman chess master, i've known more women irl that play chess the last couple years than men. the soviet union really played up child bearing and that is what helped fix birth rates. It really does revolve around tricking women into doing it, its rather easy to knock a woman up if neither are practicing safe sex.
There's a reason the last "big" families most people know of are Catholic, and thats because they really drill that whole "be fruitful and multiply" stuff in a way the rest of the religions don't. Even protestants don't seem to have giant families the way catholics do, outside of the crazier sects. But as far back as i know, most people i know with 4+ kids also know how to use a confessional. Unless we're talking about white trash or some whoremoning african dude.
One of the biggest bones my extended family has is how little great-grandma really "raised" the kids, the kids are at school or outside most of the time and cleaning the house is done pretty quickly if you do it ever day and you can cook Ruths&Chris level meals in an hour if you have the ingredients on hand. Even giving birth wasn't that difficult according to her. so by her and most of the families admission being a mom, especially a stay at home mom was easy as shit.
Our culture of "mom's have the most difficult job in the world and childbirth is super traumatizing" has probably done more for declining birth rates along with the other propaganda women have about not settling down. there's a reason all it took was covid for many mothers to realize how much they prefered living at home and working at home and raising the kids vs having a man's job.
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Makes me thinks of this:
Unfortunately having one person manage the children/home just isn‘t doable for most people, what with the Fed‘s MMT inflating our fiat money and globalism undercutting producers. I can’t see this lasting another 30 years but I have no idea what will follow.
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I believe Populations and ethnicities have a “default base” number that they deviate from from generation to generation. Over centuries, these bases, affected by technological and economical advancements can grow a bit.
White nations are now returning to their base after they deviated from it by superfucking each other post-ww2 to make up for such a catastrophic loss of young life. And now (now = the past 30 years) that we are more comfortable with our numbers, we’re going back our base. Once the plummeting birthrates have actual effect on our lives, we’ll go back to superfucking and the cycle will continue.
Now the PROBLEM:
Unsurprisingly to no one, problem is NIGGERS and to some extent JEWS. The amount of niggers being imported to our countries mostly by jews means that in 40 years there will not be enough space for white populations to re-grow and readjust to their base, because niggers will live in every corner of your already tiny countries (Hello Europe).
This will bring about economic hell that this earth has never seen before, the remaining whites will be the only net gain on the budget meaning theyll be forced to work extra hard to accommodate about a billion niggers + arabs. Meaning even less time to readjust their pop.
Another factor to consider is women in the workplace. Before this absolute travesty a single person could have enough money to feed a family of 4-6. Once women entered the laborforce the amount of labor basically doubled, effectively halving the average income over the next few generations, while ballooning inflation. Im pretty sure if you look up inflation growth vs wage growth youll see the 2 seperate from each other somewhere post 1965
Not only does this mean that you have no one to look after your child while youre wagecucking - it also means that your partner also has to work 40 hours a week.
End result is that unless youre financially very well off, having a child means absolutely fucking up your life for 12-18 years. Some who dare to have a child at this moment end up stopping at one because it was a horrible experience.
Others wait for “financially very well off” part of their lives which either never comes, or comes at a time when they’re barren.
and the SOLUTION?
Really for the love of god stop importing niggers, literally nothing else needs to change, keep women in the workplace whatever, just stop importing niggers so populations can fluctuate naturally as they have for the last 8000 years.
Once the current western status quo collapses it is, unironically, joever forever.
After the Bronze age collapse humanity took around 400-600 years to bounce back, after the fall of western roman empire it took about 1000 years for the renaissance. If the world is populated 80-90% by shitskins, niggers, spics and pajeets, in a 100 years it is unironically over for the human race.
And before some pedantic fag chimes in to say that im being western centric or whatever, im just gonna say kill yourself right now so i dont spend a reply later.
White nations are now returning to their base after they deviated from it by superfucking each other post-ww2 to make up for such a catastrophic loss of young life. And now (now = the past 30 years) that we are more comfortable with our numbers, we’re going back our base. Once the plummeting birthrates have actual effect on our lives, we’ll go back to superfucking and the cycle will continue.
Now the PROBLEM:
Unsurprisingly to no one, problem is NIGGERS and to some extent JEWS. The amount of niggers being imported to our countries mostly by jews means that in 40 years there will not be enough space for white populations to re-grow and readjust to their base, because niggers will live in every corner of your already tiny countries (Hello Europe).
This will bring about economic hell that this earth has never seen before, the remaining whites will be the only net gain on the budget meaning theyll be forced to work extra hard to accommodate about a billion niggers + arabs. Meaning even less time to readjust their pop.
Another factor to consider is women in the workplace. Before this absolute travesty a single person could have enough money to feed a family of 4-6. Once women entered the laborforce the amount of labor basically doubled, effectively halving the average income over the next few generations, while ballooning inflation. Im pretty sure if you look up inflation growth vs wage growth youll see the 2 seperate from each other somewhere post 1965
Not only does this mean that you have no one to look after your child while youre wagecucking - it also means that your partner also has to work 40 hours a week.
End result is that unless youre financially very well off, having a child means absolutely fucking up your life for 12-18 years. Some who dare to have a child at this moment end up stopping at one because it was a horrible experience.
Others wait for “financially very well off” part of their lives which either never comes, or comes at a time when they’re barren.
and the SOLUTION?
Really for the love of god stop importing niggers, literally nothing else needs to change, keep women in the workplace whatever, just stop importing niggers so populations can fluctuate naturally as they have for the last 8000 years.
Once the current western status quo collapses it is, unironically, joever forever.
After the Bronze age collapse humanity took around 400-600 years to bounce back, after the fall of western roman empire it took about 1000 years for the renaissance. If the world is populated 80-90% by shitskins, niggers, spics and pajeets, in a 100 years it is unironically over for the human race.
And before some pedantic fag chimes in to say that im being western centric or whatever, im just gonna say kill yourself right now so i dont spend a reply later.
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That has been mostly due to the limits the trade embargo on Russia had placed on Hungary.
Tl,dr, Hungary is very poor in raw materials, and can only afford Russian resources.
Until sanctions on Putingrad are lifted, Hungary is shafted for good.
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Unless you've got evidence that the Noosphere (collective unconscious version not weird technobabble version) is real, morphic resonance is how we unconsciously transmit high amounts data to each other, and that this ties into ethnicity somehow, this isn't how humans work and isn't a good explanation for what's going on. There are other explanations that have less gaps and require less leaps in logic, albeit more complicated almost to the point of mental exhaustion to go over the different facets in sufficient depth.
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One thing we're starting to run into is that the vast majority of women (at least ones you'd want to wife) will 100% reject your ass if you live with your parents. That's a cultural "hard stop" harder than a obsidian slab...buuuut a lot of young guys simply do not have a choice for years on end. We've refused to build affordable housing, ban foreign ownership, or hell even LIMIT how many properties one person or corporation can own.
I mean for fucks sake I'm the last person you can call a Commie but there is a desperate need to limit "two houses per individual" and a very urgent discussion on how many units & buildings a single corporation can legally own. Speaking from painful experience, property monopoly = shit service, shit housing and getting fleeced for it.
But absent the ability 20-something (even a fully-employed one!) to get his own place, we're going to see a huge rise in "fincels"; aka "incel due to finances". Which means the birthrate from productive, sane people is gonna drop even more.
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People aren't having kids because they can't afford that shit. Simple as. Make it so people aren't struggling to afford basic necessities, let alone something as expensive as a kid, and more people will have them.
But beyond that, there are more humans on the planet than there ever have been. If homo sapiens can survive several population bottlenecks (to the point that two people from opposite parts of the world are more closely related than two chimps in the same region), it can survive boomers fucking up the economy to the point no one can afford kids.
I think a lot of people sperging about birthrates aren't actually concerned about that shit so much as they're mad about not being able to babytrap a fuckmommy, probably with some race autism thrown in. AKA the last people who should be reproducing.
But beyond that, there are more humans on the planet than there ever have been. If homo sapiens can survive several population bottlenecks (to the point that two people from opposite parts of the world are more closely related than two chimps in the same region), it can survive boomers fucking up the economy to the point no one can afford kids.
I think a lot of people sperging about birthrates aren't actually concerned about that shit so much as they're mad about not being able to babytrap a fuckmommy, probably with some race autism thrown in. AKA the last people who should be reproducing.
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Tell me about it. I'm 6'2", fit and I've been single for years.
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As much as this is true, it's still not entirely that simple.
If credit card companies announced an "antipoverty measure" where everyone making below $50,000 was barred from purchasing any 100% luxury items (vidya, takeaway coffee, NFT's, premium cable packages, etc.) there would still be a LOT of people suddenly discovering a LOT of extra money in their bank accounts....but they'd still be unable to produce children because they whacked off their weenie or were an undateable 1/10 deathfat or a spoiled-ass manchild who can barely tie their own shoes..
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I mean yeah being an Incel with serial killer vibes will make women avoid you like the plague no matter how much money you have, that's why this thread and subforum exists.
When you look at normies though, a lot of them openly say they aren't having kids because they can't afford it. They aren't spending huge amounts of money on luxury goods either, which is something luxury good manufacturers have whined about. Young people are broke because boomers fucked up the economy. Overall, it really is that simple.
To a lesser extent, it's also finally somewhat socially acceptable to not want or have kids. Which is a good thing since the only thing you get when you force someone that doesn't want kids to have them anyway is child abuse.
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Even if you do manage to psyop women into wanting to be mothers and housewives, it doesn't solve the fundamental issue, which is that the woman who even do want those things increasingly cannot do them. At best you might convince the occasional affluent woman that babies are actually pretty cool and that she should have some. In reality you're just going to shift the woman from "I don't want babies" to "I want babies but I can't have them". Or a woman is going to have children when she really shouldn't. And that's assuming the messaging even works.
You'd also probably have to advertise children and family to men too, or more accurately, psyoping and assisting them into being normal and productive citizens who can even have children. Maybe it's better where you are, but I think something like 54% of men the ages 18-30 are single and haven't had sex in the past year in the US. Young men are also increasingly not going to college or even working compared to women. These incels/neets, which are basically the equivalent of China's "lie flat" men or Japan's hikikomori/herbivore men, are a problem because even if you psyoped every woman into wanting children, every one of those woman need a competent man to do it with in order to produce the most well balanced children. Right now there aren't enough of those young men and it's only getting worse. If an increasingly larger amount of young men are getting too demoralized to even normally participate in society and are unable to even get into a relationship with a woman, then they certainly aren't going to produce children. You have to get the man and the woman together to even have the child in the first place and even that's getting hard.
And that's not to say that positive messaging regarding family, children, and being a stay at home parent isn't a good thing, It is, but it just won't do very much. Japan's been trying it for years and yet their birthrate is still going down. Japan is one of the most homogeneous cultures on the planet and yet even they still won't have kids when their government is producing propaganda telling them to multiply.
Financial breaks and incentives don't help much either. How many people are really going "well, I would have kids, but only if I got an x% tax break..." or "I would have kids if I could get cheaper day care..."? Not many; stuff like that will tip the scales for a select few but it's not going to make much of a difference. If you want this approach to have any meaningful effect you'd have to almost entirely subsidize the cost of the child which of course isn't really feasible. It's much more common that people who aren't having children for financial reasons, which is an increasingly larger amount of people, that they're struggling with things like not being able to afford a home or food or shit like that. Children are just a financial burden that is becoming increasingly unfeasible for your average couple. Shit is just too damn expensive. Even if you convince them to have children, those children aren't getting the start in life that they deserve if they're born to poor parents.