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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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Nuclear armament in the DPRK has never been anything more than a scared dog showing teeth and growling at a shotgun.

They were never in a position to do offensive war, so they were never going to try anything - I think they had a good idea of what would happen if they were to. To doubt that is to doubt a basic human faculty to adapt and survive, and that's just silly.

I don't doubt that there are aggressive, nationalistic tendencies there, and a desire to reunite the country, but I think over time, it just became less and less feasible to them, and they became more and more concerned with being invaded. So they did what Castro tried, and got ahold of nuclear weapons to scare off possible military interference.
 
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight...japan-and-south-korea-nuclear-threat-far-over

For Japan and South Korea, nuclear threat far from over

Despite what the US president claims, the Kim regime remains as dangerous as ever. While the summit deal is reason for optimism, the reality is Pyongyang has broken promises to disarm before

The difference between reality and rhetoric has been obvious ever since Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump held their historic meeting in Singapore. The American president tweeted upon returning to the United States that the world could now rest easy as “there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea”.

But East Asians, especially South Koreans and Japanese, know otherwise; the document the two leaders signed was vague and has done nothing to lessen the threat from Pyongyang’s bombs and missiles.

Only when the sides have worked out details, including a timetable for Pyongyang to dismantle its arsenal, submit to inspections and verification, and begin the process of decommissioning, can the region indeed rest easier.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has taken the path of realism in briefing President Xi Jinping and his Chinese, Japanese and South Korean counterparts.

He contradicted North Korean state media suggestions that international sanctions would soon be rolled back, contending they would remain until there was complete denuclearisation.

Trump’s announcement that war games between American and South Korean troops would be suspended on grounds of being provocative to Pyongyang was also tempered, with the president and his top diplomat separately clarifying that the matter was dependent on negotiations taking place “in good faith”. Such remarks acknowledge North Korea remains a threat.

That is why Japan and South Korea are as in need of security guarantees from any agreement as North Korea. Pyongyang has promised “complete denuclearisation” several times before, and when talks were not to its liking, turned its back and resumed weapons development and testing. It is premature to say the threat posed has gone or that the summit has made a substantial change.

Pompeo anticipates Pyongyang will undertake “major disarmament” by 2021. He said discussions to begin the process would begin in a week.

But the North’s scrapping of its nuclear facilities and missiles could take a decade or more and there are bound to be challenges. There is reason for optimism, but rhetoric should not cloud the truth.
TL;DR:
Media flip flops.
 
If it does happen, nobody's going to see it coming, kinda like how the Soviet satellite states all just quietly imploded in the 90's without warning and without a shot being fired, save Romania where the citizenry had been sitting on bullets marked specifically for Ceausescu and his wife for a looooooooooooong time..... but I digress.


Nobody expected it, and it happened so fast, nobody had time to catch the body before it hit the floor.... metaphorically.

You can't make the regional powers-that-be agree on how to reunite Korea, they'll never agree on the particulars of who gets what. But, if it kinda falls apart on it's own, the same disagreements mean they can't form a consensus on how to reestablish the old status quo together, and you get those odd non-shooting non-violent revolutions where an ideology/dictatorship/totalitarian nation just.....organically gives up.
 
NK has always been "angry" at the training that would take place in SK and around it. Every year, every time, without fault. They know we do training. They know nothing happens. They still need to yell about how angry they are about it. All show, likely to keep eyes off China.

There's also thousands of US troops on mainland Japan, Japanese islands, SK, Aussieland, on MEUs that go around to the rest of SE Asia, etc etc that NK knows if they ever were to do something, they'd be slaughtered.
 
http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/20/...nctions-on-north-korea-should-remain-in-place

Japan, Philippines agree sanctions on North Korea should remain in place
Kyodo News
Posted at Jun 20 2018 04:42 PM | Updated as of Jun 20 2018 04:43 PM

TOKYO—The foreign ministers of Japan and the Philippines on Wednesday agreed that UN sanctions against North Korea need to be strictly implemented for it to take meaningful action toward denuclearization.

During a meeting here with Filipino counterpart Alan Peter Cayetano, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono stressed the need for North Korea to take "concrete" steps following the unprecedented US-North Korea summit on June 12 in Singapore, according to the Japanese Foreign Ministry.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula at the summit, but a joint statement issued with US President Donald Trump lacked details on how to fulfill that promise.


Kono and Cayetano also discussed the situation in the South China Sea, where China has been aggressive in pushing its territorial claims and continuing with its militarization of artificial islands in the area, the ministry said.

Kono said Japan is ready to strengthen cooperation on maritime security with the Philippines and Cayetano welcomed Tokyo's proposal, it said.

The Philippines, along with some other members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, has overlapping territorial claims with China in the disputed sea.

During the meeting that lasted about one hour, the two ministers also discussed issues ranging from terrorism to infrastructure-building, and agreed to deepen bilateral ties, according to the ministry.
 
http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/20/...nctions-on-north-korea-should-remain-in-place

Japan, Philippines agree sanctions on North Korea should remain in place
Kyodo News
Posted at Jun 20 2018 04:42 PM | Updated as of Jun 20 2018 04:43 PM

TOKYO—The foreign ministers of Japan and the Philippines on Wednesday agreed that UN sanctions against North Korea need to be strictly implemented for it to take meaningful action toward denuclearization.

During a meeting here with Filipino counterpart Alan Peter Cayetano, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono stressed the need for North Korea to take "concrete" steps following the unprecedented US-North Korea summit on June 12 in Singapore, according to the Japanese Foreign Ministry.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula at the summit, but a joint statement issued with US President Donald Trump lacked details on how to fulfill that promise.


Kono and Cayetano also discussed the situation in the South China Sea, where China has been aggressive in pushing its territorial claims and continuing with its militarization of artificial islands in the area, the ministry said.

Kono said Japan is ready to strengthen cooperation on maritime security with the Philippines and Cayetano welcomed Tokyo's proposal, it said.

The Philippines, along with some other members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, has overlapping territorial claims with China in the disputed sea.

During the meeting that lasted about one hour, the two ministers also discussed issues ranging from terrorism to infrastructure-building, and agreed to deepen bilateral ties, according to the ministry.
Good. I wonder if the previous leader screwed up by having this son educated in the west. He knows quite well all the things his country doesn't have. He's a tyrant, but a tyrant who looks out and sees a small, shitty fiefdom, and remembers how much nicer his private school was in Switzerland.

Putting the squeeze on this fat, spoiled, little shit will probably work far better than it would have on his more hardened father or grandfather.
 
Good. I wonder if the previous leader screwed up by having this son educated in the west. He knows quite well all the things his country doesn't have. He's a tyrant, but a tyrant who looks out and sees a small, shitty fiefdom, and remembers how much nicer his private school was in Switzerland.

Putting the squeeze on this fat, spoiled, little shit will probably work far better than it would have on his more hardened father or grandfather.
When he was young, Kim Jong-Un was way in the back of the Kim Dynasty's line of succession (of course after the older brothers were passed over for being fuckups, he got booted to the front), so they didn't start specially prepping him for the role until he was already a young man.
 
Appeasement was done by Chamberlain for two reasons.

1) The public at large did not want a major war at this point; the Great War had completely ruined Britains finances and eviscerated a generation.
2) Britain was not ready for another massive war on the scale of the Great War, the 20's and early 30's were financially disastrous and had done a number on military development. Britain needed time to build up in order to prepare, and appeasement bought time.

Sure. It bought time for Hitler to take the Czechs and the Poles, and stockpile a world of hurt for the French & English, because Chamberlain's cowardice let the entire thing happen on Hitler's schedule.
 
I wish they'd bother to tell us which order they're talking about, because Executive Order 13840 was published yesterday, but it makes no mention at all about North Korea, and none of the quotations they're citing even show up anywhere in this EO. I don't see anything in here about a continuation of any other EO, either. In fact there's a revocation in here for Executive Order 13547, but neither of these mention North Korea or sanctions anywhere. I don't see any proclamations, memorandums, determinations, or notices about North Korea for that date they're citing, either.

I wouldn't be ready to call bullshit on it just yet, but as it stands I legitimately don't know what EO they're even referring to or quoting from in this article. That's why you're supposed to specify these things, Guardian. I'd love to read the goddamned thing but I don't know where or what the Hell they're even talking about.

Edit: Nope, nevermind, there it is. Could have saved me a lot of legwork and just linked me to the damned thing, Guardian.
 
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I wish they'd bother to tell us which order they're talking about, because Executive Order 13840 was published yesterday, but it makes no mention at all about North Korea, and none of the quotations they're citing even show up anywhere in this EO. I don't see anything in here about a continuation of any other EO, either. In fact there's a revocation in here for Executive Order 13547, but neither of these mention North Korea or sanctions anywhere. I don't see any proclamations, memorandums, determinations, or notices about North Korea for that date they're citing, either.

I wouldn't be ready to call bullshit on it just yet, but as it stands I legitimately don't know what EO they're even referring to or quoting from in this article. That's why you're supposed to specify these things, Guardian. I'd love to read the goddamned thing but I don't know where or what the Hell they're even talking about.

Edit: Nope, nevermind, there it is. Could have saved me a lot of legwork and just linked me to the damned thing, Guardian.

So yeah, it's just an extension of previous executive orders, set to expire June 26, 2018 that continue to impose sanctions on North Korea, something Trump has already said will continue for the foreseeable future.

The National Emergencies Act requires the president to follow certain procedures in order to continue the national emergency.

They probably didn't link it because all the (2) links on their shitty "news" story just point to other guardian articles, or a guardian search page for an entire topic instead of real sources.
 
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-suspends-more-military-drills-with-south-korea-2018-06-22/

U.S. suspends more military drills with South Korea


WASHINGTON -- Secretary of Defense James Mattis has "indefinitely suspended" military exercises with South Korea following the Singapore summit between President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, Lt. Col Christopher Logan, a Pentagon spokesperson, said Friday. Mattis suspended the Freedom Guardian exercise along with two Korean Marine Exchange Program training exercises scheduled to take place in the next three months, Logan said.

The Ulchi Freedom Guardian drills are largely computer-simulated war games held every summer and have drawn furious responses from North Korea, which views them an invasion rehearsal.

On Friday, Mattis with met with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joe Dunford and Mr. Trump's national security advisor John Bolton to discuss ways to "implement the results" of this month's Singapore summit.


"In support of upcoming diplomatic negotiations led by Secretary Pompeo, additional decisions will depend upon the DPRK continuing to have productive negotiations in good faith," Logan said.

North Korea typically responds to South Korea-U.S. military exercises with weapons tests and a string of belligerent rhetoric. During last year's Ulchi Freedom Guardian drills, North Korea test-fired a submarine-launched ballistic missile that flew about 310 miles in the longest flight by that type of weapon. Days after the drills, the North carried out its fifth and biggest nuclear test to date.
 
Changes in North Korean propaganda reflects atmosphere of detente
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44557818

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Image captionThis poster calls for an easing of tension to counter "the danger of war"

Over the past few months, it seems, North Korea's propaganda has been changing its tune.

Banners and posters displayed across the capital and other towns have typically featured the US as a brutal imperialist aggressor and South Korea or Japan as Washington's willing allies.

But visitors to the country say they've seen those posters replaced by propaganda pushing economic progress and the inter-Korean rapprochement.

Leading newspapers in the tightly controlled country have also seen a shift in tone, a sign the country is starting to reflect its recent diplomatic thaw to the people.

US no longer an enemy?
The vast majority of North Koreans have very little access to information, so state media and propaganda have a far greater impact than elsewhere in the world.

With the US traditionally depicted as the main enemy, propaganda has not held back on showing how Pyongyang would respond, depicting missiles destroying the US or troops crushing invaders.

The posters are meant to inspire patriotism, build confidence in the leadership and a give sense that the struggles of life are for the greater glory of the nation.

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Image captionThe old posters call for "merciless revenge" and US destruction
"The harsh posters go up usually only when things are bad internationally," Andray Abrahamian of Griffith University told the BBC.

"They signal tough times and a tougher line on the US to the citizens of North Korea. They come down when tensions abate."

So when times are more positive, the propaganda will be too.

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Image captionThese posters following the inter-Korean summit call for peace and unification
After months of belligerent war threats, North Korea this year held historic summits with both South Korea and the US, pledging - albeit in vague terms - to give up its cherished nuclear arsenal and work towards peace.

Foreign guides who take tour groups into the closed country say that in recent months, the propaganda narrative has taken a distinctive turn.

In place of the aggressive rhetoric, there is now a focus on more positive messages, praising the Panmunjom Declaration signed at the inter-Korean summit, for example.

"All the anti-American posters I usually see around Kim Il-sung Square and at shops, they've all just gone," Rowan Beard, a tour manager at Young Pioneer Tours, told the Reuters news agency.

"In five years working in North Korea, I've never seen them completely disappear before."

Of course, the new posters are just as much propaganda as the old ones, but they highlight different themes: reunification of the Koreas, economic progress and scientific achievement.

The change follows an internal logic: if talks with the South and the US are being reported as the beginning of possible future co-operation then the two former adversaries have to be displayed in a more neutral and less threatening way.

Why else would Kim Jong-un otherwise sit down for talks with those countries' leaders?

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Image captionThis poster calls for progress in science and technology
"Pyongyang needs an atmosphere of peace and detente and such posters would help to create it," Fyodor Tertitskiy from NK News said.

Even the anti-American trinkets which used to be sold to tourists as souvenirs have begun to change.

No longer, for instance, can you find the postcards, posters or stamps that famously showed North Korean missiles heading for Washington.

"They're always very popular, not very subtle, and, as of now, have all been removed," Simon Cockerell, general manager at Koryo Tours, told Reuters.

Breaking with tradition
The changes in official policy are also reflected in the leading national newspaper, Rodong Sinmun.

There is no free press in North Korea. All media outlets are tightly controlled and anything published or broadcast is carefully vetted to be along official government lines.

Usually the paper would regularly run negative reports about the US, depicting Washington as a hostile force and listing US involvement in conflicts like Syria as a proof of American imperialism.

But leading up to the meeting on 12 June between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump, the normally fiery paper stopped being critical of the US.

Since the summit, it has featured picture-heavy coverage of the meeting, celebrating Mr Kim as a global statesman and peace maker.

Breaking with tradition, TV and newspapers also reported Mr Kim's recent trips - to China and Singapore - in almost real time, whereas previously, it would have taken days for North Koreans to read about it.

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Image captionThe Singapore summit was reported the following day
"In tone, the US is now depicted as if it is a normal country," explains Peter Ward, North Korea expert and writer for NK News.

"All references to US actions that North Korea considers a hostile acts have disappeared from the paper."

There's even what Mr Ward describes as "neutral" coverage of the US quitting the UN human rights council.

"This is fascinating," he explains. "Generally speaking, neutral or positive coverage is normally reserved for countries that Pyongyang has friendly relations with."

With all of North Korea's talks at very early stages so far, it is unclear whether the sudden change of tone is here to stay.

Unless North Korea lives up to the generalised commitments it made at Panmunjom and in Singapore, there will be little sanctions relief in return and so beyond the posters they see every day, little might change for ordinary North Koreans.
 
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