KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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Billy Beer said:
I still don't get the hate for North Korea. What have they done that's worse than Russia, China, All of the Mid east, Most of Africa...? Yet they're hated, villified and 'bullied' more than any other country, while posing less of a threat than any of them.
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What did the "mid east" do exactly
Murder each other in a civil war funded by burgers and Israel?
 
JosephStalin said:
Two slices of bread a day. Could they fucking spare it? These children need good, nourishing meals. How will they ever properly develop? Sickening. You KNOW Un's spawn eat heartily at every meal. Compared to these poor children, the average South Korean child would be husky.


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It's just like the 90s again for them. Another "arduous march". There's been hints of this happening again for a while, too.

There was a video a year, or so ago that showcased a now defunct NK propaganda vlog channel where the hosts would routinely go to supermarkets, and restaurants in NK to show off how much food there was.

A key thing he, and several other viewers noted was how that most if not all of the food in stores was processed junk hidden in bags, or boxes with the prices absent, or obscured leading to the possibility of them being ridiculously expensive, or just props made for the videos, and how there was nobody else eating in the restaurants besides one, or two obviously terrified "customers" being interviewed for the vlogs.

Another thing to mention was how these videos only focused on life in Pyongyang where the rich, and privileged people lived.

Really makes you think.
 
Bunny Tracks said:
It's just like the 90s again for them. Another "arduous march". There's been hints of this happening again for a while, too.

There was a video a year, or so ago that showcased a now defunct NK propaganda vlog channel where the hosts would routinely go to supermarkets, and restaurants in NK to show off how much food there was.

A key thing he, and several other viewers noted was how that most if not all of the food in stores was processed junk hidden in bags, or boxes with the prices absent, or obscured leading to the possibility of them being ridiculously expensive, or just props made for the videos, and how there was nobody else eating in the restaurants besides one, or two obviously terrified "customers" being interviewed for the vlogs.

Another thing to mention was how these videos only focused on life in Pyongyang where the rich, and privileged people lived.

Really makes you think.
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Yup, remember the 90s quite well re North Korea. Should have taken NK out in 94 - many of us were expecting it, but Kim Il Song rolled Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton like two drunks.

This basically makes two generations that have developmental deficits. These deficits won't go away. Means the average North Korean is smaller, less healthy, less mental capacity/ability than the average South Korean. Should there ever be reunification, you'll have North Koreans working almost entirely under managers from the South.
 
JosephStalin said:
Two slices of bread a day. Could they fucking spare it? These children need good, nourishing meals. How will they ever properly develop? Sickening. You KNOW Un's spawn eat heartily at every meal. Compared to these poor children, the average South Korean child would be husky.


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There's a reason even the specially-selected tallest of the NK border guards at the DMZ are like four or five inches shorter than their SK counterparts.
 
JosephStalin said:
Yup, remember the 90s quite well re North Korea. Should have taken NK out in 94 - many of us were expecting it, but Kim Il Song rolled Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton like two drunks.

This basically makes two generations that have developmental deficits. These deficits won't go away. Means the average North Korean is smaller, less healthy, less mental capacity/ability than the average South Korean. Should there ever be reunification, you'll have North Koreans working almost entirely under managers from the South.
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Immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union the USA could of gone after both Cuba and NK but no action was taken on the matter for some reason.
 
JosephStalin said:
Yup, remember the 90s quite well re North Korea. Should have taken NK out in 94 - many of us were expecting it, but Kim Il Song rolled Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton like two drunks.
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The problem with taking out North Korea isn’t North Korea, it’s their neighbors to the north.

Back during the Korean War, we were within miles of reaching the Yalu River and purging the Korean Peninsula of communism. Spirits were high and everyone was looking forward to being hailed as victors just like they were five years earlier after WW2.

Then Chairman Mao sent the Red Army across the Yalu.

It didn’t matter that these soldiers were poorly trained and in many cases a lot of them didn’t even have shoes. All that mattered was keeping the capitalist pigs off China’s border and denying them a short and easy land route to Beijing. And it just so happened that Mao’s strategy of sending more men than the Americans could shoot worked. I mean, yeah it took 15 divisions to convince a bunch of frozen and undersupplied Marines to fight their way out of the Chosin Reservoir, but it worked.

Oh and the Russians have a land border with North Korea too. It’s a small one that’s mainly used for timberland, but they probably wouldn’t be able too thrilled about having American neighbors either.
 
thismanlies said:
The problem with taking out North Korea isn’t North Korea, it’s their neighbors to the north
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This along with the fact that Seoul is within shelling distance of North Korea means nothing will be done in military terms unless there is no other option. The collateral would be apocalyptic, like 10m people live in Seoul and the North Koreans would turn the place into rubble before being destroyed themselves. That's more a more realistic fear than undertested nukes with dodgy delivery vectors.
 
JosephStalin said:
This basically makes two generations that have developmental deficits. These deficits won't go away. Means the average North Korean is smaller, less healthy, less mental capacity/ability than the average South Korean. Should there ever be reunification, you'll have North Koreans working almost entirely under managers from the South.
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Come on, this is entirely an great thing if an war ever breaks out or reunification ever happens.
 
NerdShamer said:
Come on, this is entirely an great thing if an war ever breaks out or reunification ever happens.
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Not good for reunification at all. You'd see northerners angry that southern carpetbaggers are coming up and taking everything over. Not only do many northerners have developmental deficiencies, their education is shit. Too much ideological indoctrination, not enough useful matter. Very few northerners could compete with southerners for managerial/professional jobs, least until nutrition and education radically improved. The two languages are getting different, as well. Southerners use a lot of English words or Korean variations thereof. Northerners will use a number of Russian words. North uses native alphabet, Hangul, exclusively. In the South, the higher the reading level the more Chinese characters are used, likely not as much as when I was there many years ago.

For war? Would say special operations troops are well-fed, as are nuclear missile forces. Average ground-pounder eats rather poorly. But don't see another war.
 
Hitman One said:
This along with the fact that Seoul is within shelling distance of North Korea means nothing will be done in military terms unless there is no other option. The collateral would be apocalyptic, like 10m people live in Seoul and the North Koreans would turn the place into rubble before being destroyed themselves. That's more a more realistic fear than undertested nukes with dodgy delivery vectors.
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Believe we have those guns targeted with counterbattery weapons/drones/tactical air. Also, Seoul is a very large city. Was pretty big when I was last there, decades ago. There would be damage but only a nuke would turn the place to rubble.
 
JosephStalin said:
Not good for reunification at all. You'd see northerners angry that southern carpetbaggers are coming up and taking everything over. Not only do many northerners have developmental deficiencies, their education is shit. Too much ideological indoctrination, not enough useful matter. Very few northerners could compete with southerners for managerial/professional jobs, least until nutrition and education radically improved. The two languages are getting different, as well. Southerners use a lot of English words or Korean variations thereof. Northerners will use a number of Russian words. North uses native alphabet, Hangul, exclusively. In the South, the higher the reading level the more Chinese characters are used, likely not as much as when I was there many years ago.

For war? Would say special operations troops are well-fed, as are nuclear missile forces. Average ground-pounder eats rather poorly. But don't see another war.
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Kids still learn Hanja, the old Chinese characters, but it is getting used less and less nowadays. A lot of people can only read the most common of characters. There is a shit ton of English used in commercial signage now though a lot more than when I first came to Korea about ten years ago.



JosephStalin said:
Believe we have those guns targeted with counterbattery weapons/drones/tactical air. Also, Seoul is a very large city. Was pretty big when I was last there, decades ago. There would be damage but only a nuke would turn the place to rubble.
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Seoul is still ten million people, but the area surrounding it is another 15. A mammoth amount of 'new towns' have been built and people have moved in. My own neighborhood didn't exist 10 years ago and now it has close to 50,000.
 
Dubu Kimchi said:
Kids still learn Hanja, the old Chinese characters, but it is getting used less and less nowadays. A lot of people can only read the most common of characters. There is a shit ton of English used in commercial signage now though a lot more than when I first came to Korea about ten years ago.





Seoul is still ten million people, but the area surrounding it is another 15. A mammoth amount of 'new towns' have been built and people have moved in. My own neighborhood didn't exist 10 years ago and now it has close to 50,000.
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Ya, we learned a certain amount of Hanja while in language school. Like the people you referenced, can only read the most common Chinese characters, but that is still far more than most Americans can do.

Hangul itself was very easy to learn. Learned it in a couple of hours one afternoon early in language school. Learning Hangul was one of the few easy parts of the Korean course.
 
JosephStalin said:
Not good for reunification at all. You'd see northerners angry that southern carpetbaggers are coming up and taking everything over. Not only do many northerners have developmental deficiencies, their education is shit. Too much ideological indoctrination, not enough useful matter. Very few northerners could compete with southerners for managerial/professional jobs, least until nutrition and education radically improved. The two languages are getting different, as well. Southerners use a lot of English words or Korean variations thereof. Northerners will use a number of Russian words. North uses native alphabet, Hangul, exclusively. In the South, the higher the reading level the more Chinese characters are used, likely not as much as when I was there many years ago.
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So are you using this as an argument against reunification?

If not, do you have thoughts on how it could be done successfully?
 
Least Concern said:
So are you using this as an argument against reunification?

If not, do you have thoughts on how it could be done successfully?
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Not an argument against reunification, just telling what will happen if and when reunification happens. Suggest many younger South Koreans see little point in reunification. Like mating half an apple with half an orange. The North is a basket case, outside the nukes, and would be a tremendous problem for the United Korean (former South Korean) Government. The vast majority of North Koreans who escape their country and make it to South Korea find the going tough. Multiply this by millions in case of reunification. Reunification made sense even forty years ago, but now one must ask why. The United Korean Government would ask for aid from the USA, China, Russia, and Japan. In return, the United Korean Government would keep former North Koreans from running across to China and Russia, or taking boats to Japan.
 
JosephStalin said:
In return, the United Korean Government would keep former North Koreans from running across to China and Russia, or taking boats to Japan.
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Why would former Norks escape a unified Korea? Even if they find life is tough under modern capitalism, Japan or China or Russia isn't going to be any easier, plus there will be a language barrier.

I don't know. Germany made it work; I know there were and still are problems, but on the whole the people in the former East are better off at the least in human rights terms, are they not?

I know there are politicians and such in the South who don't want to see the country take on the social and fiscal burdens that reunification would bring, but I find that rather callous of them.
 
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