KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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Gotta be interesting to see how this pans out. I remain skeptical whether the Norks will give up on their nukes or just pay lip service to that point. Seems a bit much to obtain them just to discard them as a bargaining chip...

Be that as it may, this is the biggest leap forward for peace in the region that has ever occured in post-war history... and the left is going to choke on their tears, trying to not aknowledge this massive breakthrough.
 
Future schoolchildren will learn in history class about how a man who once starred in McDonald's commercials alongside Grimace brought about peace in Korea with his mighty shitposting.

And he had help from the former NBA MVP/action movie star/pro wrestler and member of the nWo 4-life:

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I guess that's the face you make when you realize that nothing your entire news network did managed to put a dent in this meeting, and now a retired basketball star in a MAGA hat is lecturing you on North Korean negotiations, and he knows more than your "experts" on top of that.


Well Rodman did actually go there. I wonder if any of CNN had anyone in NK?

Also, I've barely heard a peep out of the anti-trump people, it's like they are just ignoring it and hoping something will go wrong.
 
Convinced that the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Penninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence-building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Penninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:
  1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
  2. The united States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
  3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 (Some Korean Word?) Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
  4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. (!)
The declaration in question is the Panmunjom declaration from back in April which outright states the long term aim is peace, prosperity and reunification.

What is interesting is there is, as said, not been much of a peep out of anti-trumpers or even particularly the press. Mostly because if they keep bashing this conference then Trump is going to be able to hit them very hard with "The fake news derailed our progress" with a lot of backing to such a statement. To the point that he could probably garner the support to actively fuck with the press in legislation.

It of course doesn't help that, as is right now, the North Koreans are at an all new breaking point with regular shipments of fuel and coal still under active threat from the Chinese. This is mostly because of a general change in attitude due to Xi Jinping's Premiership.

China is increasingly moving to try and secure the Asian sphere back for itself in one form or another and was increasingly seeing the North Koreans, no longer as a useful distraction but an active threat to that aim. This is why coal and petrolium shipments were reduced from the normal cross border trade to a slow trickle of official state smugglers out in the China Sea.

Just enough to stop the regime collapsing, but enough to make the Norks realise who was actually in charge here.

There was also published by a chinese intellectual about how to best manage a collapse of the North Korean regime, and it's outright replacement with a more neutrally minded unified Korea. (A play that's oddly enough actually in China and the USA's interest as it reduces potential flashpoints). Meaning the censors decided that this should be put out very publicly and just... left to air.

Others stated that without China this summit was utterly pointless, but it's because of the Chinese that this summit is even happening at all.

On top of that there's been a quiet purge of various military officers which seems to have shunted the balance of power away from the military and more towards the Kim Family and the party itself. Both of whom would be more interested in survival in some form than the endless sabre rattling bravado the military preferred.
 
I’m still pessimistic about this. The Kims have done the happy peaceful face just to get food to buy their soldier’s loyalty before. Back in the 90’s with Albright.

I’d be happy to be wrong, but I don’t trust the North Korean regime any farther than I could throw it.
 
I’m still pessimistic about this. The Kims have done the happy peaceful face just to get food to buy their soldier’s loyalty before. Back in the 90’s with Albright.

I’d be happy to be wrong, but I don’t trust the North Korean regime any farther than I could throw it.
At this point, it's still an "anything goes" scenario, even if the outlook is somewhat positive.

Still find it hilarious at how these new sources are still trying to spin it so that Trump's the bad guy in all this. At this point, they might as well come out and say "We hate Trump, he's what we want to do to him if we ever meet him in person" and see how that works out for them.
 
I see the pictures, and this line popped into my head:

"Well the treaty don't start till Trump walks in."

Still, let's not get our hopes up. The Norks are notorious for blowing off or violating treaties, practically before the ink dries. Trust, but verify. :popcorn:
 
Man, watching Rodman get teary-eyed on CNN was interesting. I wonder how long he and/or Kim have been wanting to get a meeting with the US?

Hell, is the Kim family even really in charge or is it like WW2-era Japan where the military was actually running the show w/ the Emperor as the face?
 
The only negative things I've seen are checkmarks on Twitter claiming that the thing signed didn't go far enough and that how even "Trump's base" should be disappointed. But they are seemingly somehow forgetting that a meeting like this wouldn't have been possible with past presidents and when it comes to the Norks you kinda have to take what you can get
 
I wonder why Kim Jong-un wants to live as he does. He may be a god figure with total control over his people, but it doesn't sound like much fun for him. I'd democratize the nation, hand over power to a properly elected government, and retire to a cushy and much safer life. He'd be respected and admired despite his brutal reign, remembered as a bringer of peace and prosperity instead of a mass murdering dictator.
 
I wonder why Kim Jong-un wants to live as he does. He may be a god figure with total control over his people, but it doesn't sound like much fun for him. I'd democratize the nation, hand over power to a properly elected government, and retire to a cushy and much safer life. He'd be respected and admired despite his brutal reign, remembered as a bringer of peace and prosperity instead of a mass murdering dictator.
I'm still firmly of the idea that this is Un's escape plan in action. God Emperor is nice but not being hung upside down in the street is nice too.
 
I'm still firmly of the idea that this is Un's escape plan in action. God Emperor is nice but not being hung upside down in the street is nice too.
The most likely answer is that kim is getting bored of ruling, and if he can go out with a bang and be remembered as a hero that brough peace into the land hes gonna do it, after all he has nothing to lose at this point
 
What is interesting is there is, as said, not been much of a peep out of anti-trumpers or even particularly the press. Mostly because if they keep bashing this conference then Trump is going to be able to hit them very hard with "The fake news derailed our progress" with a lot of backing to such a statement. To the point that he could probably garner the support to actively fuck with the press in legislation.

Some wapo writer is screeching and saying that Trump has an affinity for dictators. That's not the best part. This same writer wrote articles praising the Cuban relations thaw under Obama.
 
Man, watching Rodman get teary-eyed on CNN was interesting. I wonder how long he and/or Kim have been wanting to get a meeting with the US?

Hell, is the Kim family even really in charge or is it like WW2-era Japan where the military was actually running the show w/ the Emperor as the face?
Okay, this is where we start to wander into a little bit of a "tinfoil hat" wild speculation, but I've had this nagging feeling in my head for awhile now that the Kim family actually has very little to do with the problems in North Korea, and in fact not only are (were?) the problems stemming from the Korean People's Army (KPA), but also from China. I'm gonna' put this in a spoiler, because otherwise I'm going to turn this entire fucking page into a coffee-fueled rant.

Tiananmen Square, their treatment of the Falun Gong, their willingness to displace tens of thousands of their own people just to pave over entire forests and farmlands and erect ghost cities, their organ-harvesting markets, their habit of cooking and eating animals while they're still fucking alive, or leaving wounded children in the fucking road. China has long-since proven that it's willing and able to do some atrocious bullshit.

By a very large margin China also did the bulk of the fighting during the Korean War, too. Once the DMZ locked itself down and Kim Il-Sung was wrangled to the top of the totem pole, they had more than ample time and opportunity to do and build whatever the Hell they wanted up there, and just like you mentioned: so did the KPA. So what if the Chinese government and the KPA were using the Kim Dynasty this entire time as a means to strong arm enemies in the region and as a way to--for all real intents and purposes-- direct hostilities towards countries like Japan and South Korea and even the United States, without ever having to handle the blame.

Just look at the amount of Hennessy alone that Kim Jong Il was supposedly ordering all for himself. A million dollars a year for his own, personal supply of just one drink? Does anyone really believe that? How about that report from 2015--from China--about how Kim Jong Un fired the chief of his Supreme Guard Command just to appease the Chinese. Why the Hell would Kim fire the leader of his own bodyguard unit due to the actions of a deserter from a different unit just to appease the Chinese? How much power does Kim really have if the Chinese can force him to fire the commander of his own praetorian guard?

How about that enormous purge he allegedly undertook right after Kim Jong Il passed away? He allegedly had 140 senior military officials executed and another ~200 removed or imprisoned, so he's clearly more-dangerous and more unhinged than his father or his grandfather, right? So in 2014, why did he start enacting policies that were essentially little more than just training citizens to prepare for working in a free market? Those policies worked, too, because in late 2017 one of the high-ranking defectors started talking about the burgeoning free markets in North Korea. Seriously, check this quote out:

"The free markets are flourishing. As more and more people get used to free and capitalist style markets, the state-owned socialist economic system becomes increasingly forgotten about." Thae added that the country’s welfare system has collapsed, and that "millions of civil servants, army officers and security forces are dependent on bribes and state assets’ embezzlement for their survival.'"

"North Koreans don’t care about state propaganda but increasingly watch illegally imported South Korean movies and dramas, weakening the regime’s hold. These changes […] make it increasingly possible to think about a civilian uprising in North Korea as more and more people gradually become informed about the reality of their living conditions." Thae argued.

"Today, Kim Jong Un thinks that only nuclear weapons and ICBMs (intercontinental ballistic missiles) can help him avert the continuing disintegration of the North Korea system."

That last line is just ridiculous because Kim Jong Un was the one who enacted those policies in the first place! If he's such a psychotic despot who's willing to murder hundreds of members of his own government and is multiple times worse than his father or his grandfather, why would he have done that, and if he was so power-crazed and unhinged and paranoid, why would he be traveling abroad and going to all these lengths now to broker these peace agreements and policies that directly threaten his regime, and offer him nothing in return?

Just look at what happened to his friends and family, too. Every Kim in the dynasty has taken credit for military actions against South Korea or Japan in order to prove to the ruling elite that they could "deliver the goods." Kim Il-Sung attempted to kill the South Korean president in the Blue House Raid, and Kim Jong Il carried out way more operations, like the Battle of Amami-Ōshima or the attack on the ROKS Cheonan. In all the seven years that this "wild lunatic who is so much worse than his father or grandfather" has been in power though, he's yet to spearhead a single military action or an assassination attempt against foreign dignitaries.

And what happened? His brother was killed, his friends were killed, his uncle was killed, and every time it happened we were told it was an accident or Kim himself had them assassinated. According to Chinese officials and media outlets. That doesn't sound like some mafia shit at all, does it? Hell, who's to say those death camps in North Korea aren't flooded full of Chinese dissidents or reporters or law enforcement officials working to threaten the system?

How would anyone ever know? Can you even imagine what the mafia could have done if it had fucking death camps in a region that was locked down that tightly, and that they could blame on someone else? That would be the perfect way to get rid of anyone who ever caused any problems, and nobody would ever blame it on you, and it wouldn't even be tallied up as a murder. It'd just be another missing persons report in a country with 1.3 billion people.

I could seriously go on like this for hours, but the gist of it is that I legitimately think that you're probably not that far off the mark. I think it's very possible that the KPA and corrupt officials in the Chinese government (So the Chinese government, I guess) have been exploiting North Korea for a very long time as a means to exert force on foreign adversaries, to conduct illegal operations inside of North Korea, and to exploit North Korean workers as legalized slave labour in their own country and abroad, all while making sure that the Kim family shoulders the blame for any problems that ever arose.
 
I guess they could argue that Trump is propping up a dictatorship, but this is honestly the best case scenario.
 

At this point, it really is the only thing that makes sense to me. He's not the elder Kims. He's not a Mao or a Castro, Hussein, or really any other dictator.

If I remember correctly, KJU spent the majority of his life in the outside world, likely even learning about the history of this grandfather and father. Father dies. big bro who's also used to Western living says fuck that, so it's stuck on KJU. Does the usual grandstanding of threats, but that's it. Fires off a lot of shitty missiles in to the ocean, but really nothing much.

Knowing how much NK relies on China and knowing how fucked up China is, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if they were using NK as a puppet state, forcing the Kim family to take all the blame. At the SAME time, knowing how fucked up our own politicians are and just how much they love money, they likely knew/know this and let it continue to not anger the Chinese hence Rodman getting mad that Obama would always brush off meeting with KJU.

With you bringing up China using NK's camps, have you heard of the whole Falun Gong wiping out China has been doing, essentially just snatching up Falun Gong practitioners for them to never be seen again? China is dirty as fuck.
 
I think Kim just wants a way out from the mess he's in. He went to school in Switzerland, he knows the real world. Being head of a nutjob regeime controlled by his master in China can't be fun. He knows that if he cocks up, he'll be dragged through the streets and hung up.
 
My favorite moment of the summit: Dennis Rodman in a MAGA hat crying on CNN.

My least favorite moment of the summit: Jim Acosta of CNN trying to disrupt the talks by screaming his idiocy at inappropriate times.

They really should pull that guy's press credentials, although Trump probably enjoys having him around as a "See that's why you should hate the media" reminder.
 
My favorite moment of the summit: Dennis Rodman in a MAGA hat crying on CNN.

My least favorite moment of the summit: Jim Acosta of CNN trying to disrupt the talks by screaming his idiocy at inappropriate times.

They really should pull that guy's press credentials, although Trump probably enjoys having him around as a "See that's why you should hate the media" reminder.
At 2:41:10 they caught him on a "hot mic" after that stunt, too.

"Hey, if they’re not going to let me in the fucking meeting, then that’s what happens."
 
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