KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.

 

[CWCissey]

Of which I doubt there's much of.

Enough for three kids evidently! I do feel for his wife. She seems such a sweet young thing.

 

[Ravenor]

Enough for three kids evidently! I do feel for his wife. She seems such a sweet young thing.

She's from a small harem that was put together for Fatty 2, what they do is select young (and I can't stress that word enough) women from high up party officials families to go to a music and acting school and are fully indoctrinated into believing the guff about the Kim family and get treated as minor royalty - the families of the girls that are not selected to join the state owned knocking shop full time are given a small apartment in Pyongyang and some middling position in government for there trouble but the ones that do make it full time are spoiled rotten shopping trips to the west, palacial apartments in Pyongyang and all for the low low price of flat backing for Fatty 3 when he get's annoyed with his "Offical Wife" and she's sent away.

Access to this Harem is prety much restricted to the Kim family only and if you leave your essentially forced to marry somebody as a political favour who's just outside the kim family's main circle but important enough to warrant constant Bribery, and that's something that Fatt 3 is struggling in doing the Kim's have always like to reward people with Bribes and he's hurting because he can't do that anymore and having to settle for "kind words" rather than Watches, Food, Western Luxury goods etc.

 

[CWCissey]

Putin has waded in. Calls sanctions 'useless', wants more 'diplomacy'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41158281

All yours Poots. Go Judo chop Fatboy!

 

[Ravenor]

Putin has waded in. Calls sanctions 'useless', wants more 'diplomacy'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41158281

All yours Poots. Go Judo chop Fatboy!

Putin want's nothing to do with this, mess Russia (well the USSR) are partly responsible for creating this mess and are about the only country that was until recently that was willing to sell them things like Aircraft Parts and such even if it was under the table, I think some of that is because they don't want the world to know just what they have been upto behind the scenes.

 

[Techpriest]

Japan's probably less worried than China is right now. Japan has a previously tested system that successfully has intercepted inbound ballistic missiles - PATRIOT. Plus the US 7th Fleet and their SM-3's.

Here's a fun 'If NK goes totally fucking nuts' scenario. A good chunk of China's nuclear arsenal is actually quite close to North Korea, namely TEL sites in Manchuria. North Korea theoretically could spend the resources they do have to try and seize these and then basically hold China hostage with half their own arsenal. It's a long shot, but even seizing one of China's longer range TEL's would allow them to threaten not only China but also the US West Coast. Sounds like something from a bad spy movie (and it is) but also an actual thing the North Koreans might try if they're desperate enough.

 

[Bob's Fries]

Japan's probably less worried than China is right now. Japan has a previously tested system that successfully has intercepted inbound ballistic missiles - PATRIOT. Plus the US 7th Fleet and their SM-3's.

Here's a fun 'If NK goes totally fucking nuts' scenario. A good chunk of China's nuclear arsenal is actually quite close to North Korea, namely TEL sites in Manchuria. North Korea theoretically could spend the resources they do have to try and seize these and then basically hold China hostage with half their own arsenal. It's a long shot, but even seizing one of China's longer range TEL's would allow them to threaten not only China but also the US West Coast. Sounds like something from a bad spy movie (and it is) but also an actual thing the North Koreans might try if they're desperate enough.

Knowing how the Chinese military is just there to make the CCP look good and used more of a political nowadays, it's going to be a hilarious bit of fighting. I hope the Chinese keeps it away from them, but it would be disturbingly funny that the Norks actually pulled it off.

 

[Techpriest]

Knowing how the Chinese military is just there to make the CCP look good and used more of a political nowadays, it's going to be a hilarious bit of fighting. I hope the Chinese keeps it away from them, but it would be disturbingly funny that the Norks actually pulled it off.

The North does have some crazily well trained and fanatical commando units. Flying helicopters over the border and under radar coverage, if they have a mole in the Chinese Strategic Weapons Command or whatever they call it they could possibly (very low million and one shot) seize several sites before the Chinese could respond. That's worst case scenario, and appropriately unlikely.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

One possibility that i never see anyone talk about to explain why their still willing to use diplomacy even now is because they know that if a war breaks out it could give a clearer understanding of horrors they've been enabling for decades, they probably have a better idea than we do about what goes on inside their borders.

Even if a war goes horribly for the US/SK, a handful of the tens of thousands of people who've been interned in the labor camps or family members of the millions of people who've died from starvation in front of a news camera could make it all seem worth it and make NK's "allies" look horrible, and it wouldn't just be China and Russia, that includes Cuba and countries in the middle east and Africa who've dealt with them.

A lot of "anti-imperialist" world leaders who've defended NK could have egg on their face if this is blown wide open.

I don't know, most countries have skeletons in their closets. The allies could shrug and say "well you know realpolitik we had no idea about this."

And what will you do if Fatty decides that attacking the US and its allies aren't enough and turns his shoddy misslles onto your mother land? Just sit back and watch as millions possibly die?

Discussions are not working at all. Just bomb the shit out of them if you don't want the US to and get it over with.

It's not often that I find myself agreeing with Trump, but I actually am with him on this. You can't treat Kim with kid gloves, because he is functionally insane. Like, at the height of the Cold War, there were several instances where the two sides came close to duking it out, but they didn't because they knew how crazy that would be. Kim won't unless you physically stick an ICBM up his arse.

Just fire 99 Red Balloons, or Two Tribes at NK, they won't know the difference.

Or there's always this.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SCkmOCsI-hc

Or this.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't mind a NK with a installed puppet govt. courtesy of China as long as they dismantle a lot of what the Kims put into place and bring in the reforms those people sorely need.

South Korea should get back at least part of that shit. Any eventual peaceful resolution of this situation almost certainly involves China getting a nice chunk of the territory, though. This is just obvious. I hope the Orange Orangutan has the sense to leave this solution to the actual military, though, instead of chimping out.

I disagree. We have at least a couple. The likelihood of ever actually needing one is unlikely.

I'm not sure why the Optimistic ratings on this. I don't actually think these Tsar Bomba devices are very useful. We'll never need them, and we have plenty of what gets the job done. They're more or less useless because they blow a bunch of fissionables to blow the shit out of something way more than is even useful. There is literally nothing on the planet that needs one of these things to blow it up.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

So it seems like this war isn't going to get started until the US, South Korea, or Japan make a pre-emptive strike in self-defense, or Kim drops a nuke and thousands of people die.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

 

[Techpriest]

So it seems like this war isn't going to get started until the US, South Korea, or Japan make a pre-emptive strike in self-defense, or Kim drops a nuke and thousands of people die.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

Basically part of the major reason for you know, not provoking the North Koreans, is to set up that preemptive Counterforce strike. We're entering the part of a crisis where you're using diplomacy to slow down the process of Kim actually launching before we're ready. Antagonizing the North Koreans is not the smartest move until you've got forces in place to actually deal with them.

 

[Ravenor]

So it seems like this war isn't going to get started until the US, South Korea, or Japan make a pre-emptive strike in self-defense, or Kim drops a nuke and thousands of people die.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

Nha there is something different about the situation this time around, they are now genuinely a threat beyond the region and have no compunction in playing by the international rules now that they are part of the club. This isn't a middleastern tinpot with people that are always seemingly on the verge of rebellion this is a multi-generational problem that's gone on far enough.

If you cast your mind back to the invasion of Iraq a lot of the same posturing was happening, while soldiers were getting moved around supplies secured and Intel was gathered it was a 4 - 6-month process as it wasn't something you could do with a RRF it was a full-scale invasion.

 

[Jan_Hus]

We should turn them into 10 new states.

Actually lets let the other nations work to integrate these people... that's not our problem

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Basically part of the major reason for you know, not provoking the North Koreans, is to set up that preemptive Counterforce strike. We're entering the part of a crisis where you're using diplomacy to slow down the process of Kim actually launching before we're ready. Antagonizing the North Koreans is not the smartest move until you've got forces in place to actually deal with them.

The question is how much longer will they be able to keep up the diplomacy angle until Kim actually drops the bomb. Because with the rate things are going, it's liable to happen at any given moment.

Think about it, the recent H-Bomb test is making China potentially reconsider their current stance with the Norks, and once Putin realizes Fat boy can't be rationally reasoned with, he'll more than likely also change his tune. But only time will tell for sure.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

I'm not sure why the Optimistic ratings on this. I don't actually think these Tsar Bomba devices are very useful. We'll never need them, and we have plenty of what gets the job done. They're more or less useless because they blow a bunch of fissionables to blow the shit out of something way more than is even useful. There is literally nothing on the planet that needs one of these things to blow it up.

The Tsar bomba was ironically so powerful that it was quite inefficient, most of the energy from the blast went straight into space. The fireball that formed when it initially detonated was unable to touch the ground because the force of the blast reflected off of the ground. What energy that didn't get sent into space was still terrifying to say the least. 55 Kilometers away, wood and even brick structures were destroyed, even further away from ground zero, wooden homes were still destroyed by the blast.

What's the point of having weapons with a yield of 50 MT? the risk of collateral damage would be far greater than any potential benefit of using such a powerful weapon against a hostile nation.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I hope the Orange Orangutan has the sense to leave this solution to the actual military, though, instead of chimping out.

how dare you insult donald trump

 

[El Garbage]

Japan's probably less worried than China is right now. Japan has a previously tested system that successfully has intercepted inbound ballistic missiles - PATRIOT. Plus the US 7th Fleet and their SM-3's.

It would be interesting to know if those kinds of defenses can actually stop a massive launch of Scuds, or at least identify nuclear targets from a swarm of missiles. NK has reportedly about 100 launchers available, and if ~30 are actually operable, that's still a huge number of rockets. Most of them would be just conventional warheads, of course, but you need to slip in just that one nuke.

This cold war shit was supposed to end in 1991, why do we still have these problems.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

It would be interesting to know if those kinds of defenses can actually stop a massive launch of Scuds, or at least identify nuclear targets from a swarm of missiles. NK has reportedly about 100 launchers available, and if ~30 are actually operable, that's still a huge number of rockets. Most of them would be just conventional warheads, of course, but you need to slip in just that one nuke.

This cold war shit was supposed to end in 1991, why do we still have these problems.

Because the Kim dynasty exists and is currently being run by a legit autist with a death wish.

It's as simple as that.

 

[Trilby]

China is not up for a prolonged occupation, they haven't fought a serious war since the First Korean war, they have numbers but very little real world skill and they are OK at knocking over smaller countries by force of arms but not prolonged protracted engagements.

The way I see it going down is an unhappy Coalition, of China, US an SK and maybe a few other nations providing supporting roles, and then the country turning into a East an West German situation where the North of North Korea is a Chinese puppet state and the South of NK becoming a trashed part of SK that undergoes a rebuilding effort. Staying that way for a few decades and then when China goes belly up them reunifying.

That's probably how I see it. Sometimes that would take a few decades to fully intergrate the region back into stability.

Because the Kim dynasty exists and is currently being run by a legit autist with a death wish.

It's as simple as that.

There's always going to be remant diehards out there.

 

[CWCchange]

This cold war shit was supposed to end in 1991, why do we still have these problems.

China, who wants isolationist buffer states like North Korea, Laos, and Vietnam to an extent.

Cuba is another retarded outlier, thanks to all the shit in Central America and Venezuela.