Night Vision NVG / Thermal

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Null said:
rifle mounted

what I'd really like is something that can pick both light and heat and merge it, like that does. I'd also like something that can record and which hardcodes details about coordinate and where you're facing.
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Sounds like you would want something like this.

Clip on thermal

It’s a thermal attachment that can be integrated to a normal rifle scope. It will have onboard video recording.
 

I found this before. It's not a monocle but it has the features I like. I don't know anything about the producer.

I don't want any smart features or whatever. The features I want, outside of quality optics, is video recording and all possible GPS and rotation / angle information baked into the recording.
 
If this is for something stationary, no need to go expensive. Digital "night vision" + IR lighting will be ok (Amcrest 'night vision' cameras do this). If you're going moon's out goons out and you need NODS for that, you're on the right track.
The THOR is great. tried one with a friend. good picture quality.

A lot of thermals have "NV" mode that you can use with NODS. pretty standard feature. Thermal composites are pretty neat as monos too, just not practical for most.
 
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Null said:
rifle mounted

what I'd really like is something that can pick both light and heat and merge it, like that does. I'd also like something that can record and which hardcodes details about coordinate and where you're facing.
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Null said:

I found this before. It's not a monocle but it has the features I like. I don't know anything about the producer.

I don't want any smart features or whatever. The features I want, outside of quality optics, is video recording and all possible GPS and rotation / angle information baked into the recording.
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The ATN Thor 4 is a good starter, but there are sometimes quality issues. They do have a warranty but it only lasts 3 years from purchase. They sometimes have poor customer service if you do have an issue. You may not run into issues since you'll probably only use it to practice and then have it sit for a while until needed. Or it could be DOA out of the box. Just some things to sleep on. I think the software on these are also finicky at times which the only fix may be to warranty it. The hardest part is finding an optic with GPS/rotation/angle into it, I don't think anyone else really offers that other than ATN. Pulsar is a quality manufacturer of thermal scopes that record but lack those features. I believe they also offer a better resolution than ATN. Look through their Thermion catalog, I think those would also fit what you're after. Before you make a purchase, research every detail of what you are buying in a thermal. Its sometimes hard to shift through the details since most purchasers are hog hunters. Resolution is important, and some models vary widely.
 
Null said:
rifle mounted

what I'd really like is something that can pick both light and heat and merge it, like that does. I'd also like something that can record and which hardcodes details about coordinate and where you're facing.
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If you're looking for a device that is both rifle mounted and a thermal fusion unit, there aren't any that I'm aware of that are on the civilian market. There are a bunch of different thermal units that have different capabilities, some are meant to be purely rifle mounted like the Thor you linked, and there are others that are meant to be handheld only like ATN's Blazeseeker. There's also some units like the iRay RH25 and the AGM StingIR that are pretty versatile and can be used as either, or a clip-on or even helmet mounted, but are a sort of jack of all trades, master of none. They're also pretty expensive, like all NV and thermal stuff.

Hop did a pretty thorough review of the StingIR 640 here: https://youtu.be/u_8C4moenZo?si=Pc-iEKdCSspwkjJJ

The thermal/NV fusion you may have seen in videos is acheived with a normal analog NV device and an ECOTI, which is a clip on device.
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It overlays a thermal outline on top of the normal NV image. Its pretty neat. Here's a video of the result.


An ECOTI isn't for me though. Regular analog NV is expensive enough, I don't need another $3k+ device hanging on my head.

As for rifle mounted NV, clip-ons like a PVS-27 are the way to go. Though, that's really only useful for shooting long (200+ yards) range. And a PVS-27 costs like $18k. The most practical NV setup is a helmet mounted device, an appropriately powered IR laser and illuminator for active aiming, and a red dot with good features for passive aiming.

As for the other features you mentioned wanting, the one big advantage digital NV has over analog is the ability to record without another addon device. Digital NV, after all, is basically just a broken camera with the IR filter removed. On the subject of tracking details, there was a neat product that Garmin makes that I was made aware of this past week. It's a scope for crossbows that has a feature that can leave a pin at the location you're pointing at that syncs over to one of their GPS smartwatches. Something I'm interested in learning more about.

Incidentally, there's also been some talk that L3 is going to stop selling their NV tubes to the civilian market starting soon, so NV prices are likely to go up even more. L3, in case anyone isn't aware, is one of the biggest manufacturers of image intensifying tubes. They're the primary supplier of NV in the US, we're soon going to left with only Photonis (Frogs), Elbit (Jews) and NNVT (Chinks).
 
that is fucking awesome. i wonder if it's better to get a scope or the binoculars.
 
Everyone be careful with IR lasers. Especially around strangers at night shoots. I've known people who have had their tubes blemished via idiots firing their lasers and it reflecting off car mirrors. Protect your eyes.


Null said:
that is fucking awesome. i wonder if it's better to get a scope or the binoculars.
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All the very involved NV guys I've known always run mono or binos. Usually if they're running some sort of special optic it's a thermal. I've never seen anyone seriously talking about NV scopes who shoots under NV regularly. Digital NV is still miles behind analog, but at the same time you have different concerns than the average gear queers nods guy. The most important thing is actually having land to shoot on at night. Without that they're just a toy. So many people get NV and never shoot under it and just use it to look at the sky or their neighbors.


I am curious with the digital scopes, how fast to acquire and setup would they even be for a home defense situation? If someone's in your house or property and you want to record everything as Josh wants to, can you just grab the rifle and go within seconds? I'm sort of interested in them myself for throwing on a cheap 20" AR and testing out.
 
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Null said:
rifle mounted

what I'd really like is something that can pick both light and heat and merge it, like that does. I'd also like something that can record and which hardcodes details about coordinate and where you're facing.
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It's the worst chinkslop. If you want rifle mounted NVGs get a dedicated NVG designed for that or get a thermal unit made to be mounted.

The recoil of a rifle is detrimental to the life of the intensifier tube unless you have a unit dedicated to reduce the recoil like a pvs-24 or pvs-30.

You're better off buying a thermal unit made to be weapon mounted. I personally like the trijicon units but they are pricy. ATN and similar companies make serviceable units for "hunting" so they should fit your needs.
 
Null said:
Once my boy djt lets me make money again I'm buying so much fucking guns and shit
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If you really want an AR10 for your first gun check on DPMS Dp-10 AR-10s. Just seen a sale today online for around $684 for the complete rifle. They have the most parts compatibility for AR-10s as I understand. AR-10s aren't like 15s, there's different spec among patterns for parts compatibility. Or maybe you misspoke on your podcast recently and meant an AR-15. 308 is gonna be close to $18 for a 20 round magazine worth of ammo. It's pricey. You got a good group of people here for advice. Impressive gun community. Also a word of warning, any site that takes crypto for gun purchases is a scam. There's a lot of them out there.
 
Yours Truly 2095 said:
If you really want an AR10 for your first gun check on DPMS Dp-10 AR-10s. Just seen a sale today for around $684 for the complete rifle. They have the most parts compatibility for AR-10s as I understand. AR-10s aren't like 15s, there's different spec among patterns for parts compatibility. Or maybe you misspoke on your podcast recently and meant an AR-15. 308 is gonna be close to $18 for a 20 round magazine worth of ammo. It's pricey. You got a good group of people here for advice. Impressive gun community
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Don't get a DPMS they are shit. Hell I heard their barrels can't hit a 8 inch target at 136 yards.

Also as far as the rumors of L3 discontinuing sale of products to the civilian market. I have it on good authority that they are going to continue to sell underspec tube to the civilian market under Harris branding.

If you are unaware of the manufacturing process for intesifier tubes you need to understand that there are a decent amount of underspec tubes created that don't meet contract specifications that need to go somewhere.
 
Null said:
that is fucking awesome. i wonder if it's better to get a scope or the binoculars.
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Like I said, I think most people would agree with me that helmet mounted binos are the way to go for being able to move and shoot. Plus with helmet mounted, you could go on night hikes or stargaze. And most importantly you can post photos on Instagram wearing them to make yourself look cool.
 
Stackbodiesbro said:
Don't get a DPMS they are shit. Hell I heard their barrels can't hit a 8 inch target at 136 yards..
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Good to know. I've heard good things myself in my circle. I've also seen stainless steel barrel very affordable PSA AR-10s shooting sub moa with my own eyes, but then people online have so many different experiences with every single companies AR-10 I feel. Personally I wouldn't recommend them for a first rifle at all. I just know Josh is concerned about penetrating level 4 armor based on what he's said previously in my memory. It's just going to be pig expensive to feed especially for a new shooter learning fundamentals. But anyways this isn't the topic of this thread.
 
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Lead Lizard said:
Like I said, I think most people would agree with me that helmet mounted binos are the way to go for being able to move and shoot. Plus with helmet mounted, you could go on night hikes or stargaze. And most importantly you can post photos on Instagram wearing them to make yourself look cool.
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I concure, NV mounted to helmets, thermals mounted to weapons.
Yours Truly 2095 said:
Good to know. I've heard good things myself in my circle. I've also seen stainless steel barrel very affordable PSA AR-10s shooting sub moa with my own eyes, but then people online have so many different experiences with every single companies AR-10 I feel.
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I was making a trump assassin's joke. But in all seriousness DPMS is a pretty shit brand. PSA has really stepped up their game in the last 10-15 years. I wouldn't turn my nose up at one personally. I prefer Solgw Mk10 but that's my favorite AR manufacturer so I'm a bit biased.


As for what I was saying about recoiled damaging Intensifier tubes I was able to find some old reference photos I have of some of that damage from weapon mounted PVS-14s Screenshot_20250131_115022_Gallery.jpg Screenshot_20250131_115037_Gallery.jpg Screenshot_20250131_120246_YouTube.jpg

Trust me you don't want that to happen to your new unit.
 
Null said:
rifle mounted

what I'd really like is something that can pick both light and heat and merge it, like that does. I'd also like something that can record and which hardcodes details about coordinate and where you're facing.
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Rifle mounted PVS14 absolutely not the fucking way to go. Rifle mounted thermals are one thing, but honestly this is a bad starting point for you. This is endgame equipment that requires extensive field kmowledge to utilize effectively.

A Gen 3 PVS14 mounted on a bump helmet, paired with both passive and active aiming methods on an AR15 is the starting block for force multipliers.
 
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