Nexusmods and modpacks

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I've been around modding communities for nearly 2 decades and seen some of the absolute worst people from these communities, but I'd say Nexusmods easily takes the cake for the worst types of modding communities due the unique combination of entitled mod users demanding mods or changes to mods, or access to 'private mods', narcissistic mod authors that can't handle criticism and delete or hide their mods for the dumbest reasons, and powertripping jannies more interested in soliciting their userbase into buying premium memberships than they are managing the site.

Mod authors often are clout chasers and want endless praise whenever they 'improve' or 'fix' a game that might be well known for being buggy, unbalanced, or just flat out broken. Another issue is when they often try to make themselves seem professional and mature, but the moment you get involved in communites they're involved in, you learn quickly how immature and childish a lot of them are, or what kind of fucked up shit they're into.
I have this unusual hatred for Nexus for really only one reason; the fact that they hold my bandwith hostage unless I buy a premium membership meaning something as basic as a 4.2 gig download could take half an hour or twenty minutes.
 
Holy fuck the tismscism going on in the comments listing everything from their new TOS "breaking" EU's laws that allow people to be "forgotten" to Bethesda's own TOS. These changes will overall make modding easier for players who wish to use these mods. Like look at this fucking tard who wrote a novel saying its wrong to do this to the poor mod developers.
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I have this unusual hatred for Nexus for really only one reason; the fact that they hold my bandwith hostage unless I buy a premium membership meaning something as basic as a 4.2 gig download could take half an hour or twenty minutes.
Nexusmods is a poorly run website imo.

They make you go through additional pages just to download something and it's to solicit you to buy a premium membership. They throttle your downloads for using adblock, but never do a single thing about intrusive or suspicious ads on their pages. They fucked up their layout to make it more 'mobile friendly', and they released a terrible mod manager that takes 10 minutes to boot up, crashes frequently, and half the mods don't even work properly installed through it.

Eh, mod packs are a dumb idea, especially if made by the Nexus people, especially especially if it forces me to use garbage Vortex. Doing modding with only the things I want and like in there to tailor the game to me is most of the fun, what the fuck do I even do after it's all working, play A Bethesda Game? No thanks.

Individual mods will always be better since mod packs will get you stuck with mods some sped deemed important for their precious immersion that just drag the game down for normal people. Long War for XCOM is bad for this, it has some really cool and good stuff but also a bunch of annoying and tedious shit and you either take all of it or none of it, same with Roguetech for Battletech. Roguetech even has an installer that verifies your shit every time to make sure you didn't change things and if you ask questions on their Discord they will snark at you about how they know better and I've seen more than one retarded slapfight between them and some random assholes who didn't like certain aspects or just some suggetions.

Naturally it's way different when a game has only a hand full of mods that mostly fix bugs or change minor things than when it's fucking Bethesda Game that has hundreds of thousands of mods.

Also don't get me started on reshades, they're almost universally bad.
It's just my preference to install mods individually. I really have no trust in modpacks due to how broken the engine and code used in gamebryo and creation is, but I also understand the concept and reasoning for why they exist.

Lmao, can't wait to see all the 'immersion' mods that are just broken bullshit mods like Horizon and a ton of organization mods that require thousands of patches for each additional mod you install, or generic character presets that look like instagram influencers or celebrities for all the horny kids, or the 'ultra tactical' mods adding 3000 AR platform rifle mods and call of duty armors.
 
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I have to side with Nexus on this controversy solely because their position, regardless of their actual intentions, results in those mods being readily accessible for time to come.
You never know when some guy who made something is going to sperg out and delete fucking everything.
 
Holy fuck the tismscism going on in the comments listing everything from their new TOS "breaking" EU's laws that allow people to be "forgotten" to Bethesda's own TOS. These changes will overall make modding easier for players who wish to use these mods. Like look at this fucking tard who wrote a novel saying its wrong to do this to the poor mod developers.View attachment 2320455
His entire argument is destroyed when the modders don't even own their work regardless. They are working with an intellectual property they do not own. They did not buy a license to do so. Fair Use only applies if they do not make any money from it and even then you're fucking around with their code that they own. Bethesda lets them make mods for their games and they only do that because they're too fucking lazy for their ego to be enough to want full control of their product -- even then they've been making pushes to make it you can only use mods from their services, the same shit this fucker is going off on Nexus about, and that they own the mods on their service. ToS vs ToS is that the work you do isn't even owned by Nexus, it's owned by the big corporation you worked to modify the product of. Even then, it's not even a product anymore -- it's a fucking license to a service. They can and will strip you of the right to it at any time they so desire. Nintendo shuts down these mods all the time. Bandai Namco allows mods to be made, but they punish the fuck out of you for using them and in general try to make it a pain in the ass to mod. Even Blizzard shuts them down time to time and Blizzard is the whole reason these fucks don't get to own their work -- because they're altering the game's code, even if what they wrote is from scratch it's still modifying established and owned code. They have no copyright laws protecting them they only have... what's the word... the charity of the companies in question and those can be revoked whenever.

He does make an interesting point about Nexus claiming ownership of the works in question and that does create a bit of an iffy wiffy in regards to the profit they make should they claim ownership... I don't know if any companies will shut it down, though, as that's bad PR at the moment. I also don't recall there being any exclusivity problems. They should be allowed to host it from Nexus and elsewhere, so that's probably how they get around that, I dunno, the IP law I've read is mostly key established cases on American soil.

A lot of his arguments are trash because a ToS changes all the time and you agree to it. If you don't, you don't get to use those websites anymore, you don't get to use your video games anymore, you don't get to watch things anymore on streaming platforms... this fucker has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. There's nothing illegal about any of this since - if we're even gonna go by his twisted view of shit - they can take their toys and go home, they just can't use Nexus anymore. That's legal. That's fair. What's funny is I bet this fuck is among the kinds that go and say, "Don't like it? Make your own social media site".

Also Nexus is based in the US if I'm not mistaken so if they really wanted to they could just shut down and sell their servers in Europe - I think their only physical representation in the region - and the EU can't do shit.

Of course I'm not a lawyer. This is entirely based on shit I've read on the matter. I am willing to wager Nexus has much more enlightened attorneys on their side that have gone through significantly more than either I or this fuck has read and they gave Nexus the green light to go ahead with all of this. If people are so sure they have a case they can take it to the courts, but I'm fairly certain Nexus' attorneys will win.
 
I think you're way too confident in Nexus being a legit company with lawyers on retainer, much less good lawyers, instead of some mostly volunteer run shit show that only got sort of big because they were in the right place at the right time.

In that realm especially with murky copyrights and shit ToS I want it all taken to court and answered one of these days.
 
I have this unusual hatred for Nexus for really only one reason; the fact that they hold my bandwith hostage unless I buy a premium membership meaning something as basic as a 4.2 gig download could take half an hour or twenty minutes.
You'd fucking think after how many years in operation they could do something about the bandwith caps... oh wait, they raised it from 1 MB/sec to 2 about a year, year and a half ago. One of the most dumbass, fuck-tarded, ridiculous caps ever since you're either A. not going to be able to meet 2 MB/sec thanks to shitty rural net or B. have six times that max speed when it comes to cable/fiber like most people have. I mean god damn, that would be an acceptable cap six years ago, but now? At least throttle that shit down to 4 or 5.
 
You'd fucking think after how many years in operation they could do something about the bandwith caps... oh wait, they raised it from 1 MB/sec to 2 about a year, year and a half ago. One of the most dumbass, fuck-tarded, ridiculous caps ever since you're either A. not going to be able to meet 2 MB/sec thanks to shitty rural net or B. have six times that max speed when it comes to cable/fiber like most people have. I mean god damn, that would be an acceptable cap six years ago, but now? At least throttle that shit down to 4 or 5.
Yeah when you're trying to install texture mods or content packs for something like say, Skyrim, it gets infuriating to have to wait 45 minutes unless you pay up for a membership that doesn't give you much benefit in using the site anyway. If I have to have adblock off can you at the very, VERY fucking least stop putting adware popups on my browser and move the ads somewhere else where I can't accidentally click it because your fucking ad keeps screwing up the HTML causing it to hiccup which leads me to click the ad and end up outside the Nexus?
 
I think you're way too confident in Nexus being a legit company with lawyers on retainer, much less good lawyers, instead of some mostly volunteer run shit show that only got sort of big because they were in the right place at the right time.

In that realm especially with murky copyrights and shit ToS I want it all taken to court and answered one of these days.
Copyrights were already handled in court and it was more or less decided corporations that own the IP get final say on whether or not your mod is okay. Which is why this entire thing is such horseshit coming from modders claiming that Nexus is infringing on their work, they don't own anything they're doing and if anything are the ones infringing with... let's say reluctance on the part of developers. Nintendo gives no fucks so the go after everyone, but a lot of other companies are much more careful about who they shut down.

ToS is different, but it's in the same vague reality as End User License Agreements. A transaction occurred before agreement, but for some reason the contract is still valid.
 
I find it difficult to take anyone's side in this. Anyone's who had experience dealing with Nexus staff knows they're a bunch of asshole cunts who do such petty shit as locking item counts on pages behind a premium sub (no really, you want more than 20 mods to be displayed? Fuck you, pay them.) And that's before the whole 2 MB/sec cap. Yes, 2 MB/sec in the Year of Our Lord 2021.

That said, modders are some of the most hilariously self-entitled pricks out there, so fuck them too. I was hoping to download the Civil Wars mod for Skyrim when I reinstalled it only to find that the chucklefuck had taken it down out of TDS. Then you've got Arthmoor and the Oblivion Gates in cities because... fuck you he likes Oblivion.
 
Copyrights were already handled in court and it was more or less decided corporations that own the IP get final say on whether or not your mod is okay. Which is why this entire thing is such horseshit coming from modders claiming that Nexus is infringing on their work, they don't own anything they're doing and if anything are the ones infringing with... let's say reluctance on the part of developers. Nintendo gives no fucks so the go after everyone, but a lot of other companies are much more careful about who they shut down.

ToS is different, but it's in the same vague reality as End User License Agreements. A transaction occurred before agreement, but for some reason the contract is still valid.
Do you have anymore resources and reading material about IP laws regarding mods? I've learned some new things about it with your comments here, and I'd love to learn more.

That said, modders are some of the most hilariously self-entitled pricks out there, so fuck them too. I was hoping to download the Civil Wars mod for Skyrim when I reinstalled it only to find that the chucklefuck had taken it down out of TDS. Then you've got Arthmoor and the Oblivion Gates in cities because... fuck you he likes Oblivion.
Sometimes it makes me wonder if being a self-entitled prick or a burnt out drama queen is the ultimate end for any modder. You publish a mod thats well liked, and you have people constantly sucking your dick in one camp, and people requesting you for features and asking you to troubleshoot their shit on the other camp, and these people will yak on about these thingas ad infinitum.

From his Patreon:
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He also had a spergout about it on Twitter.
Stuff like this happening makes me wish r/ModPiracy still exists
 
>not a single one of them is arguing from an ethical position
Ah yes, the ethics of making money off of other people's IPs. How very ethical of you. Mayhaps I'd take you more seriously if you deleted your Patreon and similar. Until then, you're a greedy fuck and a control freak. How's that for an ethical argument?

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Do you have anymore resources and reading material about IP laws regarding mods? I've learned some new things about it with your comments here, and I'd love to learn more.
This is the best one to make the argument that a mod's legality is wholly decided upon by the owner of the IP.
 
Sucks they couldn't have done the "No deletion" shit before Razorwire deleted all his mods for Fallout 3 and NV.

Also LOL at th3overseer. His mods were mostly crap anyway. He's waaaaay too mediocre of a modder to have that big of an ego. Doesn't even see that stopping mod deletion is actually good for the playerbase because it stops whiney spergs from yeeting their works and depriving everyone else of something they should still have access to.
You know how many mods I've had disappear from my previously downloaded list without any explanation? A few dozen. That shit is annoying as fuck.
 
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keep seething modfags Ill keep making modpacks and not crediting you fags

P.S. thank fuck you cant ruin everyones time because you had a petty dispute with some fag in the comments so you "had" to take down the mod because of "toxic audiences"
 
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