My Hero Academia - Plus Ultra

[Neet Tokusatsu]

This really needs to be studied. I don't think we'll get anything with as much staying power as the Big 3 or dragonball ever again.

Makes me wonder what made MHA last longer compared to other modern Shonen, because i doubt MHA is any better than your regular shonenslop.

 

[BigBadBastich]

Makes me wonder what made MHA last longer compared to other modern Shonen, because i doubt MHA is any better than your regular shonenslop.

Because its shounen but with the superhero tropes and backdrop which made people think it would be a clever take or deconstruction on the genre. In reality the MHA verse is no more or less vapid than Marvel or DC. Most heroes are assholes, the villains are an endless threat and the government is inept. Only difference is now 99% of the populace has "quirks" which vary from being able to see ultraviolet light to looking like a mutant polar bear or being able to channel cosmic energy from your cock or pussy. In short, MHA is just Xmen but the Xmen now fight amongst their own kind.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So new MHA stuff came out recently with official answers from Horikoshi on certain things like Deku is the number 4 hero, All Might is the vice principal of UA, AFO's first name is Zen, and shit like that

But holy fuck it's utterly hilarious how all stakes are still destroyed even after the story is over

Endeavor fans kept insisting that he was punished by being crippled yet it's revealed he just recovered and can use a cane so he's fine.

Iida's brother (the one Stain crippled) got back into hero work thanks to the super convenience of support gear.

Like I've never seen a battle shonen manga that keeps insisting on having live or die stakes have the most plot armor for those on the hero side.

 

[BigBadBastich]

So new MHA stuff came out recently with official answers from Horikoshi on certain things like Deku is the number 4 hero, All Might is the vice principal of UA, AFO's first name is Zen, and shit like that

But holy fuck it's utterly hilarious how all stakes are still destroyed even after the story is over

Endeavor fans kept insisting that he was punished by being crippled yet it's revealed he just recovered and can use a cane so he's fine.

Iida's brother (the one Stain crippled) got back into hero work thanks to the super convenience of support gear.

Like I've never seen a battle shonen manga that keeps insisting on having live or die stakes have the most plot armor for those on the hero side.

I think what sucks is the manga and anime both had the interesting potential for worldbuilding and diving into the flaws of hero and superpowered society and barely scratched the surface. Like many villains have interesting points about the vapid, selfish nature of heroes or Quirks being suppressed and monitored by the government but rarely is anything meaningful gleamed from these thoughts or revelations.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I think what sucks is the manga and anime both had the interesting potential for worldbuilding and diving into the flaws of hero and superpowered society and barely scratched the surface. Like many villains have interesting points about the vapid, selfish nature of heroes or Quirks being suppressed and monitored by the government but rarely is anything meaningful gleamed from these thoughts or revelations.

The villains raise interesting points but Hori doesn't know any way to resolve it so he just did the easy way and made literal Satan the main villain halfway through which makes it palatable to side with the heroes whose most prominent member is a rapist child beater and a CIA government killer

 

[Thiletonomics]

Kinda funny how all these shonen anime take the internet by storm, even dragging in non-anime watchers like grifting onlythots on twitter, only to fall completely flat not a few months later. Granted, BNHA lasted a lot longer. CSM died with the end of part 1. I read it and I don't even recall the gun demon or whatever dying. It was that fucking non-chalant. I can't even remember the name of that blood demon girl anymore and the internet LOVED her.

At least BNHA ended. I can see it pick up steam in the future with more in-universe stories.

This really needs to be studied. I don't think we'll get anything with as much staying power as the Big 3 or dragonball ever again.

What I want to know is how those Shonen anime that fell off didn't get shit on as hard, I think, compared to when Western media had endings that shit the bed, i.e. Game of Thrones Season 8, How I Met Your Mother, LOST, The Last of Us Part II, and Mass Effect 3. Would it be because the Japanese audiences didn't shit on those anime endings, while it was people outside of Japan, namely Western countries, and in some cases China, i.e. how they dunked hard on Attack on Titan's ending, even though there was no localization of it made in Chinese officially, that had negative reception to those endings? Are Japanese audiences just in general more hesitant to criticize media that is bad or has a bad ending, out of fear that media will stop being made because creators wouldn't be able to take criticism?

 

[Chilson]

What I want to know is how those Shonen anime that fell off didn't get shit on as hard, I think, compared to when Western media had endings that shit the bed, i.e. Game of Thrones Season 8, How I Met Your Mother, LOST, The Last of Us Part II, and Mass Effect 3. Would it be because the Japanese audiences didn't shit on those anime endings, while it was people outside of Japan, namely Western countries, and in some cases China, i.e. how they dunked hard on Attack on Titan's ending, even though there was no localization of it made in Chinese officially, that had negative reception to those endings? Are Japanese audiences just in general more hesitant to criticize media that is bad or has a bad ending, out of fear that media will stop being made because creators wouldn't be able to take criticism?

Your talking about the same society that thinks its a major faux pas to criticize or even joke about corrupt politicians. But being a bit more focused, the major consumers of anime/Manga in Japan are NEETS and Otaku's. Blithering retards and social rejects who spend 95% of their earnings on vapid power fantasies, plastic garbage and pseudo-porn.

You know the mythical "new" audience that Disney and other Entertainment companies want and keep crippling themselves financially to appease? Its NEETS and Otaku's, simply pray the West never has a group large enough to ever create a viable market or else what has happened to Anime could happen to ever other entertainment industry.

 

[Rykel22]

Iida's brother (the one Stain crippled) got back into hero work thanks to the super convenience of support gear.

So he and Mirko can keep heroing despite being crippled/loosing limbs, but Izuku needs a pity suit after 6-8 years of not heroing, despite having a mostly peak body. Right. Must be nice for the author to have such clout that he can keep trying to fix the ending of his story.

 

[Trollblade69]

Like I've never seen a battle shonen manga that keeps insisting on having live or die stakes have the most plot armor for those on the hero side.

I'm more bothered by this deranged insistence that the most popular heroes have to keep on heroing even as their bodies have been torn to shreds. All Might had to be forced into retirement at the end of his fight with AFO as he could no longer meaningfully sustain his strength, yet the final battle still had to make him fight by putting him in an Iron Man suit. Endeavor raised his son to nearly immolate himself, but we still have to watch him get a bunch of big moments in the final battle.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So he and Mirko can keep heroing despite being crippled/loosing limbs, but Izuku needs a pity suit after 6-8 years of not heroing, despite having a mostly peak body. Right. Must be nice for the author to have such clout that he can keep trying to fix the ending of his story.

I mean all these guys still become heroes despite their handicaps in the same way which is that the technology is magical enough to make it work. The escalation of how useful support items are is honestly more ridiculous than the escalation of how powerful heroes are.

I'm more bothered by this deranged insistence that the most popular heroes have to keep on heroing even as their bodies have been torn to shreds. All Might had to be forced into retirement at the end of his fight with AFO as he could no longer meaningfully sustain his strength, yet the final battle still had to make him fight by putting him in an Iron Man suit. Endeavor raised his son to nearly immolate himself, but we still have to watch him get a bunch of big moments in the final battle.

Oh they keep doing it with another hero. Even the grown man who went inside Bakugo to "sacrifice himself" to save him can somehow recover from his injuries too.



Also god the Iron Might stuff is stupid since with hindsight it's just blatant setup for Deku to get iron man armor, but even ignoring that it just hurts his character arc of being heroic without fighting but he had to have this suicide mission which he told no one and after every other hero was dead. This power armor also managed to get more dents in All For One than most of the heroes.

EDIT: Also apparently Toga was originally going to live but the editors insisted to Hori to kill her off which explains a lot in how her death makes little sense.

 

[Hijo de D. Woodchucks Jr.]

I just think Tiger and Bunny did it better.

 

[Trollblade69]

I just think Tiger and Bunny did it better.

I can never go back to Tiger and Bunny because I completely missed all the queerbaiting throughout the first season.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Oh god it keeps getting worse

Mineta basically becomes a groomer (still a hero with no consequences) and some of the stuff Hori had shows how little he planned anything

 

[UCT]

I think what sucks is the manga and anime both had the interesting potential for worldbuilding and diving into the flaws of hero and superpowered society and barely scratched the surface. Like many villains have interesting points about the vapid, selfish nature of heroes or Quirks being suppressed and monitored by the government but rarely is anything meaningful gleamed from these thoughts or revelations.

The series needed to be like Harry Potter and have the characters actually progress more through their schooling. I legit thought that was going to be majority of the story but was shocked how much he was speed running through everything. Also I’ll never forgive Hori for fucking over a really cool idea with the Meta Liberation Army and just speeding through all that so we can be forced to suffer more of the gay ass Emo league. I’m fucking tired of the villains that we have to feel sorry for why can’t we have bad guys who just want to be bad?! Like that’s how Shiggy seemed like he was going to be at the start of the story but nope we have to have his depressing backstory and shit. All I can say though is I’m glad I dropped this shit series when I did, I legit only knew it ended because of this thread lol. But it sounds like it ended fucking horribly.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Because its shounen but with the superhero tropes and backdrop which made people think it would be a clever take or deconstruction on the genre. In reality the MHA verse is no more or less vapid than Marvel or DC. Most heroes are assholes, the villains are an endless threat and the government is inept. Only difference is now 99% of the populace has "quirks" which vary from being able to see ultraviolet light to looking like a mutant polar bear or being able to channel cosmic energy from your cock or pussy. In short, MHA is just Xmen but the Xmen now fight amongst their own kind.

I thought that One Punch Man was a wackier and better take on the "superhero deconstruction" bit with the heroes not being real heroes, whole cities are being flattened by villains and no one seems to care. The thing with MHA was that the "genre deconstruction" basically screwed the entire work over. It started with "NO, you can't have Bakugo be a villain" and ended with "NO, you can't have Deku be the real Number One Hero".

Is it a coincidence that most of when the manga started to irreversibly suck (around the Shie Hassaikai arc) was the release of The Last Jedi, or am I a schizo for thinking so?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Is it a coincidence that most of when the manga started to irreversibly suck (around the Shie Hassaikai arc) was the release of The Last Jedi, or am I a schizo for thinking so?

I mean you're not far off but the manga had momentum and was still enjoyable until the Dabi reveal which was big enough that it out trended the 2020 election on Twitter which made Hori change the series to just deliver only hype moments to reach that peak again.

But for overall plot structure you're not far off from blaming the Sequel trilogy on Hori's writing quality since it could be a coincidence.

It is interesting that the relative of a well regarded hero who was groomed to be the villains lapdog was then set up to be the main villain and lead his own forces only to then be usurped by the a returning main villain whose role as the main villain was established to be over whether it's to step down or die just because the author wants the descendant to have redemption through death by the hero without complicating things and blaming every bad thing on one guy who by dying will make things automatically better. There's also heavy parts of it ripping off Avengers Endgame.

It's long winded but this description applies to both MHA's third act (About the end of the first war arc/prison break) and The Rise of Skywalker

 

[Melight]

Also god the Iron Might stuff is stupid since with hindsight it's just blatant setup for Deku to get iron man armor, but even ignoring that it just hurts his character arc of being heroic without fighting but he had to have this suicide mission which he told no one and after every other hero was dead. This power armor also managed to get more dents in All For One than most of the heroes.

The thing that makes me mad about deku only becoming a hero again after getting the iron man armor is just how much like a bitch it makes him look. Knuckleduster is right there in vigilantes fighting villains with his bare fists on youre telling me Deku who wanted to be a hero the whole time couldnt be assed to do that as well?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The thing that makes me mad about deku only becoming a hero again after getting the iron man armor is just how much like a bitch it makes him look. Knuckleduster is right there in vigilantes fighting villains with his bare fists on youre telling me Deku who wanted to be a hero the whole time couldnt be assed to do that as well?

Like the idea of Deku being a teacher is fine since in Japan teachers are one of the most respected professions.

But it's funny how Deku needs handouts both times to be a hero.

Hell the original idea was that Deku was going to use gadgets before Hori's editor talked him out of it which again is fine since Deku worked hard for OFA (until the 6 gajillion power ups he received that took less effort to train)

 

[Rykel22]

The thing that makes me mad about deku only becoming a hero again after getting the iron man armor is just how much like a bitch it makes him look. Knuckleduster is right there in vigilantes fighting villains with his bare fists on youre telling me Deku who wanted to be a hero the whole time couldnt be assed to do that as well?

Literal cripples get to keep being heroes(Mirko with her three robotic limbs and Tensei Ida, who's paralyzed from the waist down gets to be a sidekick due to support gear. I don't see that new bit of info meaning he's pulling an Oracle and running things behind a desk.). 14 year Deku could haul a truck to the top of a pile of trash. Give him basic support gear and he could have done it. But that would require him to grow up from his ch. 1 mindset about his powerlessness.

 

[BigBadBastich]

The villains raise interesting points but Hori doesn't know any way to resolve it so he just did the easy way and made literal Satan the main villain halfway through which makes it palatable to side with the heroes whose most prominent member is a rapist child beater and a CIA government killer

I thought the MLA and even villains like Stain or even Chisaki had some decent talking points behind them. And I still laugh at Endeavor being forgiven so easily by most of his family and his domestic abuse never being addressed in any real capacity. Then again I bet they'd have Bakugo or Izuku just yell and say "it made you a better hero!"

The series needed to be like Harry Potter and have the characters actually progress more through their schooling. I legit thought that was going to be majority of the story but was shocked how much he was speed running through everything. Also I’ll never forgive Hori for fucking over a really cool idea with the Meta Liberation Army and just speeding through all that so we can be forced to suffer more of the gay ass Emo league. I’m fucking tired of the villains that we have to feel sorry for why can’t we have bad guys who just want to be bad?! Like that’s how Shiggy seemed like he was going to be at the start of the story but nope we have to have his depressing backstory and shit. All I can say though is I’m glad I dropped this shit series when I did, I legit only knew it ended because of this thread lol. But it sounds like it ended fucking horribly.

HP did it well because it really painted the Wizarding World as this corrupt, borderline dystopia and turned the trio into child soldiers who would most certainly carry the PTSD of engaging in a war with them forever. But up until when I dropped the series I always felt like the heroes were stagnant or just had completely unexplored character dynamics. Heroism is again, treated either as a showboating job or some line of blue collar work. I heard they didn't even gloss over who the traitor was that much and just immediately forgot about it.

Is it a coincidence that most of when the manga started to irreversibly suck (around the Shie Hassaikai arc) was the release of The Last Jedi, or am I a schizo for thinking so?

I thought it started going to shit during the Class 1A vs 1B arc which was also when they revealed Deku had multiple quirks. That was like 2018 or 2019 I think.