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And in the comics, Franklin is the most powerful reality manipulator in existence, except maybe for Legion; has had Galactus at his beck and call, and is slated to be the Galactus for the next universe (barring certain Immortal Hulk-related incidents).
I'm just saying, Galactus being interested in baby Franklin is not unjustified from the source.
It's a retarded can of worms to open NOW. I'm sorry, I understand some people liked this movie but based on what I heard so far, it sounds pretty terrible to me. I had no hopes or expectations. Frankly, I want it to bomb. I kind of want to see the MCU fall apart due to the arrogance and boneheaded choices it made. The whole thing sounds like Captain Marvel 2.0 to me.

I'm convinced doing a good movie of these 4 is impossible.
 
@Nick Obre Agree with all that you said and I want to add both of those ideas would have made the film much better. The idea of meeting "Maria" as the Supreme Intelligence first and then later meeting a completely different "Maria" and sharing Carol's confusion would be very effective. And be a better path to her reassembling her memories. On the music side, one for your list would be Ironheart. I said this myself in the thread but why the Hell is the music for Ironheart all ghetto rap stuff? She's a genius (on paper). But she has to listen to stuff like that because Hollywood thinks that's what Black means. Hate that kind of cultural programming.
 
and is slated to be the Galactus for the next universe (barring certain Immortal Hulk-related incidents).
ah, I knew Franklin had tons of powers but I was under the impression when that universe ended Galactus would just keep on truckin' like the last end he tanked
 
Well its not like white regular old Bruce Wayne but some Aztec warrior being batman fighting against Joker Spaniard Conquistador.

And the jokes that would batman be basically fighting for human sacrifice skull towers and alters.
And Batman of Shanghai was a reimagining of Batman and some enemies as Chinese in 1930's Shanghai.

I do concede the Batman Ninja stuff is just time travel crap with "regular" Batman et al.
 
Yes it is. That's why it's aimed at children. It's as deep as it gets; it's the foundation. The most basic, basal conceptualizations of what it means to be a good person. Bravery, honesty, compassion, discipline. The bare minimum requirements of a human being, from which all right action stems. Just because it's simple doesn't mean it's shallow. And if you think adults don't need a refresher, look at the world around you.

There's a psychological concept called Dunbar's number, posited by Aynsley Robin Dunbar, which makes the obvious and self-explanatory assertion that there is a limit to the number of people you can maintain relationships with, and seeks to estimate that limit. It's estimated to be anywhere from 100 to 250 people, but the number isn't the important part; the important part is that in studying this, evidence has emerged that fictional characters count towards the limit. Which implies that our minds don't make a meaningful distinction between our understanding of real people and fictional people. This is important because there exists mountains of evidence across many many contexts to suggest that the people we surround ourselves with shape our own self perceptions and behaviors. If you surround yourself with people who lie, cheat, and steal; who hide from challenges and consequences; who ignore people in need and dehumanize people with opposing views; who excuse themselves from commitment, you will end up just like them. But if you expose yourself to people who are brave, honest, compassionate and disciplined, you will become more brave, honest, compassionate and disciplined, and resist the slow descent into complacency. And as we see from Dunbar's number, those people don't need to be present in your life or even real.

That's why people keep reading the Bible past Sunday School, and that's why people read and watch capeshit and westerns and war movies and hardboiled detective stories and sword-and-sorcery and all the pre-postmodern tales of heroism that Reddit wants you to scoff at. That's why we have those stories in the first place. That's why we bother telling them. These are not things you learn once and never again. We are hardwired to conform to the world that surrounds us, and the darker that world gets, the more we need a light.

I'm not so sure escapism as a virtue is going to light the darkness of those with no virtues of their own. It makes me envision Gabourey Sidibe in Precious getting AIDS-raped by her father, and disassociating to imagine herself dressed up as Aynsley Dunbar Flaming Carrot - and all the good that would do to improve her circumstances, or inform how she prefers to relate to others in the broader world. Then again, she was black.
 
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The people writing Reed are stupid, that's the problem.

Someone post the 4chan meme explaining this.

I think the whole reason these movies suck is because children's entertainment isn't as deep as the adults who consume it pretend it is.
"Deep" might not be the right word, but media for kids wasn't shallow either. Top of my head, 92 X-Men touched complex issues like PSTD, discrimination, losing a loved one, etc.

Not only kids now are consuming shit content, but the adults want to consume child entertainment without a type of complexity that offends their sensitivities. Like, they don't want villains to be such because they align with them and want to excuse their shit behaviour while the heroes can't be challenged in their beliefs otherwise they are the "real villains".
 
And Batman of Shanghai was a reimagining of Batman and some enemies as Chinese in 1930's Shanghai.

I do concede the Batman Ninja stuff is just time travel crap with "regular" Batman et al.

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Was Reed and Ben having a homosexual past just a shit post or an actual thing in First Steps?

I know this sounds stupid to ask, but I honestly can't put anything past Marvel these days.
Shitpost, unless it was like one line of dialogue hinting at it I didn't notice.

Ben and Johnny being goofs together is a lot of the Things.. thing in this movie. I would say thinking about the movie a bit more I do wish he had a little more screentime. His B plot is just kinda whatever but I thought the dynamic between the four was very good.
 
Saw Fantastic 4.

I honestly thought it was mediocre. It had some good scenes, but none of it added up to a great whole. Something just felt off about it. Something was missing. It has the same issue I had with Superman, although I liked that movie a lot better: Nobody really has much character growth, because everybody is already fully formed when the movie begins.

The Thing was lame. He had no character, other than being a nice guy. I actually liked his character arc in the 2005 movie.

And the special effects on Silver Surfer in the 2007 movie were far superior.
 
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Also, Mole Man was kind of a funny character in this, but why does he just look like some fat guy? Mole Man had a very distinct, stylized look in the comics.
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I don't know what the changes were with reshoots and rewrites. I recall in one of the trailers Reed mentions they reached out and made the Earth a target. That's completely gone. The film feels like it was a messy script that only partially got fixed with reshoots.

The first half is actually quite great, but it sets up a movie they don't know how to conclude. It feels like the writers are trying to tell a story they aren't smart enough to finish. It's not that Reed isn't smart in the film, it's that he is written by people who don't know how to write a smart character.

The film becomes aggressively dumb as it attempts to wrap up the plot. Sets up a big unstoppable villain, then doesn't have any clever way to defeat him. So you get the dumb plot to transport the Earth. This may be nit picky, but restrictions on power consumption from the grid, doesn't build up a reserve of power to be used later. That's not how it works.

Arbitrary things like the portal has a 30 second timer. Oh no, villain too strong. Not stronger than the love a mother has for her son! With various other predictable things.

I also don't think it showcased their powers all that well.

The Silver Surfer plot seems to have been shelved in reshoots. Leading to a dumb set-up for an exposition dump to explain her backstory.

If they're going to have references to the silver surfer being hot, at least have her be the over the top curvy, big breasted design so it makes sense.

With how the film falls apart as it goes on, I'm perplexed by all the people and YouTubers saying it's better than Superman, because that film was super entertaining where as this just becomes a pretty uninteresting mess at the end. Despite a good start.
 
Venom Gods, I kneel.

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The film becomes aggressively dumb as it attempts to wrap up the plot. Sets up a big unstoppable villain, then doesn't have any clever way to defeat him. So you get the dumb plot to transport the Earth. This may be nit picky, but restrictions on power consumption from the grid, doesn't build up a reserve of power to be used later. That's not how it works.

They could have shown Reed use his science skills to threaten Galactus down with the ultimate nullifier.

Or chosen a less powerful villain like Annihilaus or Namor or another Reed or the X-men or Magneto.
 
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