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Ultraman Orb Dark said:
This is the issue with a lot of Galactus stories. Rather than this all-powerful force of nature, he's usually someone designed to get beaten up by other characters to make them look cool.
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Excellently described: Someone who should be a saga-length villain, made complex by their absence of villainous intent (due to transcending good and evil by nature), is instead reduced to jobbing for the most boring iteration of the most boring superhero team. The sentiment about the power scaling making Galactus a more imposing and compelling saga villain than Kang Doctor Dolittle is spot-on; and an example of why I can't seem to get more than schadenfreude entertainment out of this endless slop trough extending over the horizon. Disney has again squandered one of their biggest antagonists in their villain-of-the-week formula that has forced so many of their Marvel characters to only ever return in What If? episodes, voiced by soundalikes.
 
Fellen said:
The F4 movie was mid. God damn these writers have their characters become stupid just to create conflict.

For example, why did Reed have to say, "Oh, Galactus wants the baby," to the press? Would Reed, the smartest man on Earth, really say that? Fuck no, it's to create conflict, of course, and all it does is to have Sue have her "moment" with the protestors.

I was almost invested at the ending when Johnny was about to sacrifice himself. But of course, they pussied out and had the Silver Surfer sacrifice herself instead because we just have to have a happy ending. If they had any balls they would've had the Silver Surfer ready to sacrifice herself, but Johnny says what he says, and pushes her out of the way and delivers the blow to Galactus.

Have Sue come back to know that Johnny is gone, and have her lash out at the Silver Surfer, who doesn't know what to say, and runs off. Everything has to be a goddamn happy ending these days (yes, Viktor comes and steals the baby in the post-credits, but I don't count that). Have Johnny come back in the Avengers, or something, but man, the ending sucked.
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Its implied that:
The Fantastic Four and their Future Foundation practically rule the world, or at least have a huge influence on the world. They can literally just tell everyone to "build portals around the world, do curfews, and turn off your energy" on a whim and everyone just obeys without question. Almost like they're a World Government-like organization but actually competent with the powers to back it up. Whatever Reed was going to say would inevitably piss off the general population because they look up to the FF as infallible demigods.

Though personally he should have just said "we tried to negotiate but Galactus refused, now we must call for total war" or something like that. But it doesn't fucking matter LOL since Sue just comes in and does her sob story and everyone suddenly drops hostilities...

And whatever happened to the Galactus Cult? I was hoping for a twist where they would try to sabotage the teleporters, but nope, I thought the scene where they blew up was because of them, but nah its from Silver Surfer instead.
 
On the comics books side.

Ultimate Spider-Man is ending in December.

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The Maker is going to get ready to rumble as well.

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And the main writer for the Ultimate Universe is a pozzed proggie that supports the DSA and Mamdani.

Yet so far his comic series hasnt gone into tranny worship yet.

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Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Why not make Galactus the next overarching threat for the next phase instead of Robert Downey Doomer?
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That's such a good idea I don't know why they didn't think of it (of course I know why, but hey).

You could easily throw in the Avengers, Spidey, and X-Men into it with the FF being front and center to maintain the spirit of them defeating Galactus per the OG Galactus Saga.
 
I really liked it. Probably the best Marvel movie since Infinity War. I probably had a better time with Deadpool 3, GotG3 probably had better characters, but I think this was a much better story.

There is essentially no Marvel humor in the movie, outside of a gag in the epilogue and the clobbering time set up in the trailer. The humor that was there(mostly Ben and Johnny playfully ribbing each other) felt organic to the characters. Everyone mostly got along, they authentically felt like a family. What little interpersonal drama we got between the team was extremely brief. The tone is also completely different from recent Marvel slop, there is no culturally subversive messaging. It's profamily and pro-procreating.

If I had one complaint about the movie, it's absolutely the cast. Ben an Johnny are pretty good, Reed and Sue are decent. The cast all feels a little weak because I think they did a good job giving everyone their moments and not letting one character outshine the other, but also none of the actors really lifted the characters up beyond their writing. I didn't hate anyone in the party.

Visually I absolutely loved it, they did an amazing job at selling an alt earth retrofuturism and there is so much set, clothing, and prop design work that went into this movie that I appreciated.


Most of the issues that my friends had with it didn't really bother me.

Reed revealing the deal Galactus offered him was pretty stupid, but I feel like it's a mistake Reed would make. He sees it as the facts of the matter and doesn't think withholding facts is the solution to a problem. This isn't sold well in the movie and is just my impression of the character. I do think somehow setting up that Earth finds out about the deal from other methods would of been better for Reeds character, or if they justified him telling the truth as a bit of fleshing out his character. I understand someone not really knowing Mr Fantastic as a character seeing it as a really stupid decision and that's really a fault of the movie for not addressing it at all.

Sue pushing Galactus didn't really bother me. It was the Superhero equivalent of a mother lifting the car off their child and it literally killed her to push him a couple of blocks. Johnny, Ben, and Reed also got good hits in on him, though Ben's was essentially just being thrown at Galactus. It didn't feel like a girlboss moment, it felt like her pushing herself past her limits.

Reed's tech was a bit outlandish for 4 years of development, but it's Reed Fucking Richards. It felt a lot more organic than Lex's outlandish tech level in Gunn's Superman. Reed building a system to teleport the Earth across the universe in at most a couple weeks with the help of a planet that adores them felt like a very Mr Fantastic solution to the problem. I think they established the Fantastic Four's popularity enough to justify it.

Sues speech having that much of an impact is kind of hokey, but I think the actress did a good job with it. They established her character in the movie being a very influential speaker at the start, it's not something that offended me.
 
Checking out box office mojo for the film, I saw it at 220 million. Now thats not bad but the reported budget for this film was 200 million (unlikely given the leaks of true costs from UK filming) and marketing for a film this size is at least on par with the budget of the film. This also doesn't include that domestic tickets are a 50% after the theaters cut, foreign only 40 % is made.

The general rule is that the 2nd week is going to make half of what the first made, then the next week half of that, and so on. I honestly don't know if this movie will make profit or break even.
 
Kyria the Great said:
Checking out box office mojo for the film, I saw it at 220 million. Now thats not bad but the reported budget for this film was 200 million (unlikely given the leaks of true costs from UK filming) and marketing for a film this size is at least on par with the budget of the film. This also doesn't include that domestic tickets are a 50% after the theaters cut, foreign only 40 % is made.

The general rule is that the 2nd week is going to make half of what the first made, then the next week half of that, and so on. I honestly don't know if this movie will make profit or break even.
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Should have just made an r rated version with Ryan Gosling as Reed and Sydney Sweeney/Emma Blunt as Sue.

And the main villain is that Magneto version that gets defeated by a wooden gun.
 
Kyria the Great said:
Checking out box office mojo for the film, I saw it at 220 million. Now thats not bad but the reported budget for this film was 200 million (unlikely given the leaks of true costs from UK filming) and marketing for a film this size is at least on par with the budget of the film. This also doesn't include that domestic tickets are a 50% after the theaters cut, foreign only 40 % is made.

The general rule is that the 2nd week is going to make half of what the first made, then the next week half of that, and so on. I honestly don't know if this movie will make profit or break even.
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I'm still leaning towards "It breaks even", but on the sheer budgets Marvel movies have I'm skeptical of it making a Major Profit.

It sounds like a serviceable enough Superhero movie, and if they've actually started to tone down the Marvel humor of "Everyone is Quippy because that's all Whedon knows", then great. I'm still not going to pay to see it, but all things considered that's all it really needed to be, wasting Galactus aside.
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
I'm still leaning towards "It breaks even", but on the sheer budgets Marvel movies have I'm skeptical of it making a Major Profit.

It sounds like a serviceable enough Superhero movie, and if they've actually started to tone down the Marvel humor of "Everyone is Quippy because that's all Whedon knows", then great. I'm still not going to pay to see it, but all things considered that's all it really needed to be, wasting Galactus aside.
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Breaks even isn't what studios are looking for, especially since I doubt Fantastic 4 is supposed to be a loss leader. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel films suffer a serious budget cut after these string of box office duds and bombs.
 
MrJokerRager said:
And the main villain is that Magneto version that gets defeated by a wooden gun.
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People laugh at this, but then Xavier keeps sending Wolverine against Magneto and he keeps being destroyed every time.

Jesus, Chuck, at least send the ones we can do without, dunno, Jubilee or Glob.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
People laugh at this, but then Xavier keeps sending Wolverine against Magneto and he keeps being destroyed every time.
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seems like a good distraction technique at least while stealthy wood-powered mafia assassin The Arbor Dago sneaks behind Mags and gets the job done
 
Tasty Tatty said:
People laugh at this, but then Xavier keeps sending Wolverine against Magneto and he keeps being destroyed every time.
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Reminds me of this sketch where Professor X fires Wolverine because the guy they fight the most can control metal.
Come to think of it, could Magneto pull the metal off Colussus? I'll admit I'm not as familiar with Colussus, so I'm not sure if anything like this happened in the comics.
XYZpdq Jr. said:
seems like a good distraction technique at least while stealthy wood-powered mafia assassin The Arbor Dago sneaks behind Mags and gets the job done
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The X-Men's newest recruit: Kamui Woods.
 
NGL, First Steps was actually a pretty good movie (in my opinion)! The action was fun, what there was at least (you can tell a lotta shit got chopped out of the Final Cut), Pedro was actually a good Reed and Galactus was as sexxxy as I imagined he would be when he made his big-screen debut! Also loved the less “jokey” feel of the movie!


(Also would SMASH Julia Garner’s Silver Surfer)
 
Tasty Tatty said:
People laugh at this, but then Xavier keeps sending Wolverine against Magneto and he keeps being destroyed every time.

Jesus, Chuck, at least send the ones we can do without, dunno, Jubilee or Glob.
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Like I said earlier in this thread probably, bring quartstaves. Gambit is a master of them and his power doesn't involve metal either. He should be the guy that goes after Magneto every time while everyone else distracts Juggernaut or whoever.
 
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