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XYZpdq Jr. said:
but he's Galactus, he eats worlds and generally doesn't give any fucks about things
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He wants to die, their baby has powers that he likes, so he wants the baby to take the reigns as the next eater of worlds. And no, that's not a joke.

Edit: I said "retire", I should of said "die".
 
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Fellen said:
He wants to retire, their baby has powers that he likes, so he wants the baby to take the reigns as the next eater of worlds. And no, that's not a joke.
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I recall Galactus being a force literally beyond the universe, leftover from the previous one.
Not "ehh, I'm kinda tired" type position to retire from
 
that's like a blackhole saying it's tired of being hungry and wants to rest

Sounds like they tried too hard to humanize Galactus and ended up missing the point. Even the original Lee & Kirby Galactus trilogy largely frames the character as a cosmic natural disaster.
 
Fellen said:
The F4 movie was mid. God damn these writers have their characters become stupid just to create conflict.
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I heard that they claimed to follow the comic runs.

Looks like they half assed moments from the comics like Johnny decides to seal off an exit from another dimension by staying behind and facing the annihilation wave.

Looking to see how Valeria gets introduced for the next one, assuming there is a next one.
 
While I think there's some really silly aspects of the movie. (already been many mentions here, like Reed being kind of a fucking retard) This is definetly my favorite Marvel movie since Infinity War.

I felt like both this movie and Superman were going for the same approach "We're all humans and should work together instead of fight about everything!" But this movie did it far more gracefully and didn't have to shoehorn a plot in that comes off political. I found the whole world saving plot to be very heartwarming.

It really shows how you can have good themes without needing to be obvious wink wink nudge nudge political like the Notenyahu vs Fakestine plotline in Superman.

I still liked Superman but felt this was an overall better done movie and I'm so pleased my favorite family got a great movie!

It's just a bit hard not to compare the two due to both taking a lighter approach to their worlds (good!) and coming out within 2 weeks of each other.

I liked a lot how Silver Surfer being a woman played into the plot. It was nice way to make Johnny not look like a flaming homo as well as the relatability of her being a mother making it understandable why she would sympathize for Sue.

Considering race/gender swaps are usually the laziest shit ever I appreciated some effort being put into making SS being a girl matter. Though the plot would still work with her as a guy.

Also I loved watching her surf on Lava and shit it made the monkeys in my brain happy!
 
Fellen said:
God damn these writers have their characters become stupid just to create conflict.
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Superhero stories sucks dick at making "hero stirs controversy" plot points. It's always the most contrived nonsensical bullshit that makes the public suddenly turn against them. Invincible was the worst with the electric guy going total schizo blaming Invincible for getting unwillingly punched through a building and killing his family. Why is it never an actual moral dilemma? Like, a villain leaves a car dangling off a bridge as diversion to escape, but hero chooses to catch the crook at the cost of letting the civilian die.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
The thing is that Brie Larson is a good actress when she has to do emotional scenes. Take her performance in Room or even the scene in Captain Marvel where she's struggling to comprehend the fact that everything she knows is a lie. It's just that she doesn't really pull off roles where she has to be a spunky wisecracker, the kind of character people know Captain Marvel as.
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Marc said:
I remember finding it odd that I was the only person in the theater, and laughing at how her arc was deciding she was already the best; that a girlboss doesn't have to listen to people, and that she defeated the invading space fleet by ramming her head through it like Goku.
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MrJokerRager said:
Imagine trying to mary sue a character that is Rogue's bottom bitch in the comics.
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I first met Carol via x-men cartoon and I remember that, after Rogue apologised for what she did to her and went to a better place, even in her coma she smiled because that's the kind of person she is.

Same thing, in the comics, there is a moment when Rogue's detained at Genosha and she lost her powers. The guards fondled her and undressed her and traumatised her, and it was the bit of Carol's presence in her mind that takes over to come through it and escape. Again, that's the kind of noble human being Carol is.

Carol has gone through a lot and there is a lot of stories to show her overcoming and evolving. Like, I know she's an alcoholic and she was forced to have her rapist's baby and that can't be shown, but there is more for Brie to show Carol's humanity and grit to power through her problems because Brie can act.

Marvel just can't decide who is their target and this was more obvious for Mr. Marvel. You need to be a bit older than a teen to understand properly what Strange went through, and that's why this movie wasn't targeted to little kids as the main audience. But they tried to make Cap. Marvel something to inspire girls, so anything too controversial had to be gone. Funny enough, they did the same for WW and it has an implied sex scene. The movie was also a bit mature than Cap. and less dumb overall. Diana also makes mistakes and they cost her deeply. Doesn't happen with Marvel because Marvel refuses to give their female characters development.
 
I think the whole reason these movies suck is because children's entertainment isn't as deep as the adults who consume it pretend it is.
 
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Kyria the Great said:
What's everyone's predictions for the Fantastic 4 film? Im predicting the film is going to be middling to somewhat bad, not terrible and a complete lost cause but the trailer and leaks have done favors for me
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It's gonna suck, it's gonna tell me I'm wrong for wanting to see the Fantastic Four, and they're gonna say it made more at the box office than it did, but not as much as they really got paid to make it.

Didn't even bother reading the spoilers, I don't care anymore. Would rather rewatch Superman.
Marc said:
I think the whole reason these movies suck is because children's entertainment isn't as deep as the adults who consume it pretend it is.
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Yes it is. That's why it's aimed at children. It's as deep as it gets; it's the foundation. The most basic, basal conceptualizations of what it means to be a good person. Bravery, honesty, compassion, discipline. The bare minimum requirements of a human being, from which all right action stems. Just because it's simple doesn't mean it's shallow. And if you think adults don't need a refresher, look at the world around you.

There's a psychological concept called Dunbar's number, posited by Aynsley Robin Dunbar, which makes the obvious and self-explanatory assertion that there is a limit to the number of people you can maintain relationships with, and seeks to estimate that limit. It's estimated to be anywhere from 100 to 250 people, but the number isn't the important part; the important part is that in studying this, evidence has emerged that fictional characters count towards the limit. Which implies that our minds don't make a meaningful distinction between our understanding of real people and fictional people. This is important because there exists mountains of evidence across many many contexts to suggest that the people we surround ourselves with shape our own self perceptions and behaviors. If you surround yourself with people who lie, cheat, and steal; who hide from challenges and consequences; who ignore people in need and dehumanize people with opposing views; who excuse themselves from commitment, you will end up just like them. But if you expose yourself to people who are brave, honest, compassionate and disciplined, you will become more brave, honest, compassionate and disciplined, and resist the slow descent into complacency. And as we see from Dunbar's number, those people don't need to be present in your life or even real.

That's why people keep reading the Bible past Sunday School, and that's why people read and watch capeshit and westerns and war movies and hardboiled detective stories and sword-and-sorcery and all the pre-postmodern tales of heroism that Reddit wants you to scoff at. That's why we have those stories in the first place. That's why we bother telling them. These are not things you learn once and never again. We are hardwired to conform to the world that surrounds us, and the darker that world gets, the more we need a light.
 
I heard that
The solution Reed comes up with to save their Earth is to teleport the entire planet to another galaxy far away from where they are. Just the Earth. Not the moon. Reed doesn't know how stupid and dangerous that is? Not only the fact the Earth without the moon will have major changes to the planet, but moving an entire planet into a solar system will cause issues as well.
 
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anti SJW said:
I heard that
The solution Reed comes up with to save their Earth is to teleport the entire planet to another galaxy far away from where they are. Just the Earth. Not the moon. Reed doesn't know how stupid and dangerous that is? Not only the fact the Earth without the moon will have major changes to the planet, but moving an entire planet into a solar system will cause issues as well.
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"Why don't we take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else?" I swear Reed, one of the smartest men in the Marvel universe is competing with Patrick Star on levels of plans.
 
Bunkerhousing said:
Midnights Edge review on F4 dropped, and the movie is hilariously bad.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=l2GLcg2fhsA
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Some of the things he says are a problem for him don't actually sound a problem to me. And some of the things he says are fine I think I'll have a problem with. For example, it'll take quite something for me to like Pedro Pascal in the role.

For example:
He makes a big thing about the Earth's momentum and having to be positioned juuuuust right to avoid a catastrophe, etc. Well the actual big deal is teleporting the Earth but if you accept that the rest is probably fine. Any kind of teleportation should presumably allow you to direct the spacial coordinations however you want. You're inherently changing the frame of reference by the very act. I'm saying if you can teleport the Earth you can probably choose which way it is "facing" when it appears. On any axis. And for any given two celestial bodies there's going to be a distance at which the momentum of one of them will orbit the other. If the difference in mass is very large (which it will be in this case) then the centre of that orbit will be close to or within the larger mass.

I'm being wordy - basically if you can teleport the Earth then no, you're not going to cause some colossal solar catastrophe for two reasons. One - teleportation implies the ability to orient and positon the Earth as you please and Reed is certainly capable of working out the correct placement and the impact of other bodies in the system on that. Real mathematicians could do that. I could do that if you gave me a week to blow off mathematical knowledge I haven't used in twenty years and didn't mind me taking a month. Reed would do this in his head. The second reason it's not an issue it wont cause a catastrophe is because solar systems are not snooker tables, no matter how quickly the planets orbit on your YouTube video about the solar system. The distances are vast. If even Reed got it wrong, he'd likely have a couple of thousand years before anything bumped into anything else.

Also, teleporting the Earth implies the ability to look where you're going. With galaxies to choose from, I expect Reed can find the optimum place for it.

So, IF teleporting the Earth is okay, the rest of the stuff he complained about with that is probably a non-issue. If teleporting the Earth in itself is dumb, then the rest doesn't matter.

N.b. Teleporting the Earth probably is dumb. I've not seen the film but why not teleport Galactus instead? What the moon? Why not make another baby? Why tell the World about the baby thing if you've already made up your mind not to hand said-baby over? Why does a baby have the capability to be the next Galactus?

And so on... Honestly, it doesn't sound good.
 
Overly Serious said:
Something notable in her movie is the arc she goes through. Most of the Marvel movies and many genre movies in particular, have the arc of the hero starting strong, facing defeat due to some flaw, achieving victory through over coming that flaw. In the first Thor movie he learns humility, in the first Iron Man he is humbled at the start and his arc is about facing up to the consequences of his flaws and paying for them through his sacrifice. Ant Man has a man who chose the easy path even though he knew it was wrong and is learning not to. Dr. Strange is arrogant and above people and when his status / self-image is taken away from him he drives away his partner, his fortune, his reputation because he can't live without his self-image. Only when he reaches absolute rock bottom and accepts that he's a small part of something larger, does he learn how to re-build and become who he is meant to be. As the Ancient One finally makes him see: "It's not about you."

Even the ensemble movie Avengers has this arc of them failing because they keep trampling on each other's strengths and fighting each other until finally they work out how to be a team and defeat Loki.

Captain Marvel? She was powerful and perfect all along and her arc is learning not to listen to other people who say she isn't.

I'm not saying self-confidence is a bad message to place in your movie. But I couldn't help but notice this is what they chose for her.
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Something I've been saying since the movie came out, there were 2 relatively small changes they could have made to make the movie better and Carol a lot more endearing:

Music is super important as a character trait for many characters across the movies. I'm not talking the soundtracks, like Thor being associated with Led Zeppelin or Guns'n'Roses. That's out-of-world, good (arguably) in the meta but, like, Thor doesn't sing along Immigrant Song.
No, I'm talking the characters' personal relationship with music. Tony is nearly synonymous with AC/DC. Cap is shown trying to adapt to modern culture (including that list in his notebook that included different music for different markets around the world) but in his apartment he plays music from his era. For Quill, Earth music is his emotional connection to his mother, and later, his planet, and the Guardians bond by listening to the music together (even antagonists like that alien prison guard or Ego have character moments about music). Strange has encyclopedic knowledge of music, without actually seeming to care for it artistically or emotionally, because like you say, it reflects his arrogance and self-importance. Bit of a weaker connection, but for Ant-Man, playing the drums is one of the things that keeps him sane and occupied during his house arrest. And this is after CM came out, but Spidey's age and generational disconnect with Tony shows when he thinks an AC/DC song is by Led Zeppelin.

In CM? They go out of their way to feature music as a way to remind us "it's the 90's, so here's Nirvana! Here's a NIN shirt. Here's a jukebox with a No Doubt song that didn't actually come out yet by the year the film is set in", and they show bits of Carol and Maria singing karaoke. But music isn't very important to the plot or the character. It's as shallow as rap in Black Panther: it's a signifier that he's black (not African American where it would make sense, but just black, from a different and isolated culture entirely), like NIN is a signifier that it's the 90's. The Supreme Intelligence shows more interest in music than Carol.

So make music more important to Carol. Have it be one of the things that really pierces through the memory blocks or whatever it is she had.

The second thing? We're told Maria is her best friend, possibly even lover. We're also told the Supreme Intelligence appears to you as the most important person to you; which is why the self-centered Kree guy sees it as himself.
But Carol sees her as this scientist she worked with for a little while before the accident.

So make the Supreme Intelligence appear as Maria. Build a mystery around who she is, and show the reaction and confusion and conflicted feelings once Carol meets Maria again.

Just those two things would show that, despite the girlboss powers, despite the brainwashing, despite the bad acting, Carol is a person with an emotional connection to something, anything. Make her feel like a fucking person.

Also remove the fucking "alien cat scratched Fury's eye", not only does it ruin the character, it causes a continuity issue since he was known from Winter Soldier to have both eyes when he was sworn in as Director of SHIELD.
Also don't make Ronan, the guy who, though bland, was perfectly willing to stand up to Thanos even before getting the Power Stone, into a coward.
And also don't put the Tesseract, all-powerful artifact that previously burned anything it touched and would melt through the metal of a HYDRA super-science bomber plane, into a fucking tin lunchbox.
Bunkerhousing said:
Midnights Edge review on F4 dropped, and the movie is hilariously bad.
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This is not a defense of the movie, I haven't seen it and it may be utter shit for all I know, and I kind of expect it; but I wouldn't rely on ME's opinions on anything. They've got a vested interest in portraying the movies as disastrous even when they're not. It's their bread and butter, and what their die-hard audience wants to hear.

What I do know is Jeremy Jahns liked it, and while he's a normie, he seems pretty politically uncontaminated (even little glimpses of unwoke shine through at times) and generally sincere. I don't always end up agreeing with his opinions, but he seems to me a genuine guy, reasonably knowlegeable, with decent enough taste. Like I can rely on him not to try to sell me an agenda, like most other movie reviewers in either direction.

XYZpdq Jr. said:
I recall Galactus being a force literally beyond the universe, leftover from the previous one.
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And in the comics, Franklin is the most powerful reality manipulator in existence, except maybe for Legion; has had Galactus at his beck and call, and is slated to be the Galactus for the next universe (barring certain Immortal Hulk-related incidents).
I'm just saying, Galactus being interested in baby Franklin is not unjustified from the source.

MrJokerRager said:
Marvel bros win again.

DC is making "Aztec Batman" lol.
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I mean they did these Batman Ninja movies, and Batman of Shanghai before it. I see it as just another one of that style of project. Is it a bad thing now because it went wetback rather than bugman?
 
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