Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Always keep in mind that while you're seeing a new version of an old character that ticks off the current trend boxes, the visible DEI bullshit belies real reason the money decides to go in this direction; they only have a finite time to exclusively monetize any character they make. New versions of those characters are exclusively theirs for the copyright timeframe. When it works, you get a Wally West, or a Hal Jordan. Someone only you can use for 99 years or whatever it is.

Batman and Superman will be public domain in the next 15 years. While not all their stuff will be coming with them (most of it was introduced over the 80+ years of their existence through different mediums) immediately, it'll also trickle in as time goes on. Marvel will have an original Superman and an original Batman at some point in the next 40 years. They have lots of similar characters already, but they'll have the original versions as well if they so choose. By 2040, DC will be able to use Steve Rogers' Captain America.

These things become like Robin Hood after enough time.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
Batman and Superman will be public domain in the next 15 years. While not all their stuff will be coming with them (most of it was introduced over the 80+ years of their existence through different mediums) immediately, it'll also trickle in as time goes on. Marvel will have an original Superman and an original Batman at some point in the next 40 years. They have lots of similar characters already, but they'll have the original versions as well if they so choose. By 2040, DC will be able to use Steve Rogers' Captain America.
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This just reminded me how before Marvel was owned by Disney they had a good number of crossover/overlap with DC. Beyond just the writers and artists jumping between companies I'm talking like crossover specials and and shit. Comic companies in general used to do that a lot more than they do nowadays where they're owned by much larger companies. Only time you see weird crossover shit now lately it's almost exclusively in some kind of merchandise or fortnite.
 
There were hints of such in the last real big thing DC did with Doomsday Clock; plans of future events with a Green Behemoth and Thor, God of Thunder. It could still happen, it's just really unlikely.

Amalgam was mostly terrible, but it had some interesting bits of ideas among all the detritus. The best crossover had Captain America and Superman freaking out at each other about how the world is visibly incorrect while the rest of their respective teams tried to keep them apart and explain everything was fine and it's always been this way.

I liked how Spawn and Batman did their thing and for a little while, in his books Spawns' split face was due to "a vigilante dressed in black in another city getting cute" but eventually they changed their minds on that and then pretended it never happened. I've read most of the crossovers these companies did, and the Best Of The Rest were Captain Atom and the Wildstorm universe, Deathblow/Wolverine because the art is amazing, and Wildcats/Aliens because it led to the death of Stormwatch and creation of The Authority in that universe. They never retconned it, not that they had a lot of time to do so after DC bought WS.

Gen13 crossed over with Spiderman and Superman, Wildcats crossed over with Xmen and the JLA, Pitt and Hulk went at it in a book (I think, I'm kinda blurry on if that actually happened or if it was wishful thinking in a comics magazine), I wonder if The Mask ever crossed over with The Maxx?
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Behind the scenes, I wonder how much the success of D&W is making people at Disney seethe. The MCU's only real successes since Endgame have been the Spider-Man films, GotG 3, and D&W, all written and directed by white guys, largely focused around white male characters, while all the DEI attempts have failed miserably.
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At least we can say that that's comic accurate - how many reboots has Iron Heart had since 2016, just as an easy example? Hell, even talking to some of the younger coworkers who still keep up with the MCU, even they have no clue who Ironheart is.
dick brain said:
This is a general capeshit tangent but has anyone made a list of every beloved straight white male hero that has been removed and replaced with a woman or POC since 2000?

E.g. nick fury
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In fairness to this one specifically - for some reason, Marvel and DC had this thing of making characters look like IRL celebrities for a bit, and Ultimate Nick Fury got Sam Jackson. Sam Jackson was cool with it as long as he got to play him in the movies.

It was pre-woke/DEI shit, and one of the few good things to come out of the Ultimate line (and I say that as someone who liked Ultimate).
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
even they have no clue who Ironheart is.
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All I remember is she's a scumbag who killed police officers because they were chasing her and the movie was telling me she was a hero for doing so. I'm glad Boseman was dead and didn't have to see that shit.

EDIT: And now I'm remembering what that movie did to Namorrrrrrrrrrrr. Fucking hell, they took a genuinely well done, interesting character and did that with it. In the comics, he's one of the only people on earth Doom actually has respect for, because he saw what Namor can do by himself as well as pull off with his nation under his command. MCU Namor is a fucking joke aztexican retard fuck and I hate the script writers for poorly trying to pull the Wakanda/Atlantis war off in the cheap bullshit manner that they did. Fuck Disney.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
Spawn
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Spawn also appeared in the fucking Sonic comic of all things. Technically first as a reference/parody and then later actually showing up in the comic for some crossover thing. That's been talked about so many fucking times by both just normal people and media people that just randomly discover it was a real thing the last near 3(?) decades or so.

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Crossover shit for a good several decades was just filled tothe brim with some of the most insane shit. Part of me thinks of shit like Kingdom Hearts existing as kind of a culmination of this kind of stuff being a thing. Big thing about these several decade old autistic ass crossovers including the early kingdom hearts games is there's a weird genuine heart behind it. Like you can tell this was the guys behind the shit happening having fun with the hypothetical of characters that have severely different tones in their series sometimes meeting up and interacting.
 
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Prehistoric Jazz said:
EDIT: And now I'm remembering what that movie did to Namorrrrrrrrrrrr. Fucking hell, they took a genuinely well done, interesting character and did that with it. In the comics, he's one of the only people on earth Doom actually has respect for, because he saw what Namor can do by himself as well as pull off with his nation under his command. MCU Namor is a fucking joke aztexican retard fuck and I hate the script writers for poorly trying to pull the Wakanda/Atlantis war off in the cheap bullshit manner that they did. Fuck Disney.
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"Sin amor....Namor!" I always laugh at the retarded origin they gave for Namor's name. Not only is it something that did not need any explanation, but it was clearly invented by some hollywood kike that has no understanding of the Spanish language.
 
Mac Monster said:
"Sin amor....Namor!" I always laugh at the retarded origin they gave for Namor's name. Not only is it something that did not need any explanation, but it was clearly invented by some hollywood kike that has no understanding of the Spanish language.
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Literally a colonizer language.
 
Mac Monster said:
"Sin amor....Namor!" I always laugh at the retarded origin they gave for Namor's name. Not only is it something that did not need any explanation, but it was clearly invented by some hollywood kike that has no understanding of the Spanish language.
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I agree it is a stupid origin for a name but what is the problem with the Spanish? I ask as someone who also has no understanding of the language. The difference being that unlike Hollywood writers, I'm not pretending that I do.
 
Mac Monster said:
"Sin amor....Namor!" I always laugh at the retarded origin they gave for Namor's name. Not only is it something that did not need any explanation, but it was clearly invented by some hollywood kike that has no understanding of the Spanish language.
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That's so stupid it's like calling Han by himself Han Solo.
 
Overly Serious said:
I agree it is a stupid origin for a name but what is the problem with the Spanish? I ask as someone who also has no understanding of the language. The difference being that unlike Hollywood writers, I'm not pretending that I do.
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In Spanish, you can't just take the last letter of one word, slap it on the next one, and claim it's a new word. There are no contractions in Spanish other than "al" and "del." It's not like English, where you can combine two words by substituting a vowel with an apostrophe.
 
Overly Serious said:
I agree it is a stupid origin for a name but what is the problem with the Spanish? I ask as someone who also has no understanding of the language. The difference being that unlike Hollywood writers, I'm not pretending that I do.
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When the whole narrative of these characters is how they resist the colonizers, they would not then use a colonizer language themselves. So if Namor is supposed to be some kind of Meso-American allegory, he would use one of those kinds of languages like Maya or Nathuatl. By their own retarded standards, they fucked up.
 
What was wrong with the original comic version? I don't mean the early oddities like him puffing up like a puffer fish, but he had an established origin.

Namor McKenzie, born to a lighthouse keeper and an Atlantean member of royalty, one of the first canonical mutants, basically Fish Superman in terms of what he can physically do with his hands. He should be terrifying, and command respect from nations, world leaders and villains alike. Not some moron that has trouble with a lesser Black Panther stand-in and gets defeated by a glorified hairdryer.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
What was wrong with the original comic version? I don't mean the early oddities like him puffing up like a puffer fish, but he had an established origin.

Namor McKenzie, born to a lighthouse keeper and an Atlantean member of royalty, one of the first canonical mutants, basically Fish Superman in terms of what he can physically do with his hands. He should be terrifying, and command respect from nations, world leaders and villains alike. Not some moron that has trouble with a lesser Black Panther stand-in and gets defeated by a glorified hairdryer.
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iirc, someone working on the film said they tried to avoid Namor and his people seeming too much like Aquaman, hence all the retarded changes
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
What was wrong with the original comic version? I don't mean the early oddities like him puffing up like a puffer fish, but he had an established origin.

Namor McKenzie, born to a lighthouse keeper and an Atlantean member of royalty, one of the first canonical mutants, basically Fish Superman in terms of what he can physically do with his hands. He should be terrifying, and command respect from nations, world leaders and villains alike. Not some moron that has trouble with a lesser Black Panther stand-in and gets defeated by a glorified hairdryer.
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Im 100% sure that if the jason Mamoa aquaman hadnt been released first theyd have gone with the lighthouse origin and made namor Polynesian
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
What was wrong with the original comic version? I don't mean the early oddities like him puffing up like a puffer fish, but he had an established origin.

Namor McKenzie, born to a lighthouse keeper and an Atlantean member of royalty, one of the first canonical mutants, basically Fish Superman in terms of what he can physically do with his hands. He should be terrifying, and command respect from nations, world leaders and villains alike. Not some moron that has trouble with a lesser Black Panther stand-in and gets defeated by a glorified hairdryer.
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Too white.

Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
When the whole narrative of these characters is how they resist the colonizers, they would not then use a colonizer language themselves. So if Namor is supposed to be some kind of Meso-American allegory, he would use one of those kinds of languages like Maya or Nathuatl. By their own retarded standards, they fucked up.
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These are the people who claim Cleopatra was black, what do you expect?
 
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Ultron's coming back in the Vision series. My money's on him being a hallucination (a vision, if you will) rather than an actual new body.
 
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