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They don't close off the possibility of inhuman in the TV show or The Marvels, but there's nothing that would suggest it if you didn't know about Inhumans from the comics. But the word mutant is used in the TV show and there's a brief musical cue of the classic X-Men theme. Also, she never goes through some terragen gas thing / sleep thing in the TV show to get her powers, so that's another element of Inhumans ditched from the show. Frankly, I think they'd be crazy to introduce inhumans alongside mutants in the MCU. The two concepts are so close both in implementation (special DNA can give you totally random and individual power) and in thematic role (this marks you as an outsider to humanity) that they just crowd each other. Not to mention that the MCU has far fewer people with powers currently, than the comics, so TWO big new sources of powers changes the feel even more.
eh they already introduced Black Bolt. they'll have to keep the inhumans as odd hidden people that can't go into the wider world due to pollution.

honestly, just move the inhumans into the cosmic shit and reenact the 00s abnett/lanning stuff.
Reference humour is everywhere these days and ages like milk. If you watch the Harley Quinn or Kite Man cartoons (why would you?) 90% of it is pop-culture references. Kite Man even had a Brexit joke (for generous definitions of joke. In 2024!
i get it if it's done alright.

DP's insanity makes it something we're used to from the comics. But there's a line between amusing and beating it to death.
 
Yelena dispassionately killing people is good but everything involving the Red Guardian is cringe.
I dislike both characters. Black Widow in general is just horribly written. I have not interest in see them again.

Yelena's character makes no sense to me in the same way that Elizabeth of Bioshock Infinite and Astarion of Baldur's Gate 3 makes no sense to me. A girl who was a mind controlled slave since before puberty would not be that social; charismatic or competent in making decisions. It's a skyrim mod character with a hardcore brutal backstory parred with a "relatable" personality that does not fit the backstory at all.

The Red Guardian is even weirder to me because in every scene that he is in the joke seems to be "this child trafficker is so quirky". He has no pathos at all.
 
eh they already introduced Black Bolt. they'll have to keep the inhumans as odd hidden people that can't go into the wider world due to pollution
Not really. He's in an entirely different reality to the main universe. They also include no Inhuman background so the interpretation is entirely on the fact that he is an Inhuman in the comics which can be said of Kamala too yet they hint heavily at Mutants in her show and she's clearly not a comics Inhuman because there's no Terrigen thing etc. But my largest point is that Black Bolt is a different reality as I said.

Yelena's character makes no sense to me in the same way that Elizabeth of Bioshock Infinite and Astarion of Baldur's Gate 3 makes no sense to me. A girl who was a mind controlled slave since before puberty would not be that social; charismatic or competent in making decisions. It's a skyrim mod character with a hardcore brutal backstory parred with a "relatable" personality that does not fit the backstory at all.
The program she and her sister are part of is designed to produce expert infiltrators and seductresses who use every trick in the book to get their target whether that be assassination, blackmail, whatever. I think her personality suits the background just fine. And we see when she's not required to be sociable she's pretty grumpy and taciturn. It's a pretty poor movie but she is good.

The Red Guardian is even weirder to me because in every scene that he is in the joke seems to be "this child trafficker is so quirky". He has no pathos at all.
Again, got to disagree. The actor brings a lot of charisma and empathy to the role of the forgotten and discarded hero, imo. I don't think they mean him to be a child trafficker. The only kids I think he brings in are his 'daughters' and Natasha is actually already an agent and was one before she was sent to America, He's in prison most of the time they're being trained and I'm not sure he even knows about the mind-control at the time. That was their mother's project. He thinks it's an opportunity for them that they just don't understand yet. I believe the reason he's in prison is because he tries to get them out of there. I'm not sitting through it a second time to confirm, though.
 
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Barring finding it funny that she's annoyed with her teacher for not oppressing her because of her sex and race
Oh man I forgot about that.

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How dense do you have to be to turn your entire half-century old comic book company into essentially a vehicle for market research of new IPs, themes and story lines for film and television adaptations, and then ignore all the feedback and gamble on all the same terrible ideas when the stakes are 10000% higher, over and over again?

It only fuels my suspicion that ticket sales and merchandising aren't the primary financial incentives motivating these decisions.
 
Oh man I forgot about that.

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How dense do you have to be to turn your entire half-century old comic book company into essentially a vehicle for market research of new IPs, themes and story lines for film and television adaptations, and then ignore all the feedback and gamble on all the same terrible ideas when the stakes are 10000% higher, over and over again?

It only fuels my suspicion that ticket sales and merchandising aren't the primary financial incentives motivating these decisions.
god this would have been kinda funny if it was executed properly and didn't have an air of smugness to it.

what if the old woman said "you'll never be Jabba the Hutt."
 
Weren't Inhumans introduced in Agents of SHIELD? And some of the main characters became Inhumans after huffing the magic gas?

also black bolt was on TV before he was in movies, he knew the order of shit
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bpPiivRDrSA
Inhumans as a concept and a race were introduced in AOS, but the Inhumans (as in, Black Bolt et al) were in that show that was originally supposed to be a movie but it was so bad and done so cheaply it poisoned the brand for the foreseeable future. A shame, if nothing else, because the Black Bolt, Maximus, and Desmond from LOST actors are good, and were fully wasted in it.
It was about that time also that AOS started getting seriously sidelined from the main MCU, and eventually decanonized entirely, along with every other pre-Disney+ show.
Only later they kinda canonized Agent Carter by having Jarvis appear in the 70's bit of Endgame, and now the Netflix shows because Daredevil and Fisk are too popular and beloved to be simply soft-rebooted.

But I don't expect AOS (and Inhumans*, Runaways, and Cloak&Dagger) to get the same treatment ever.

As for Ms Marvel, they attribute her powers to her extradimensional heritage, mutant genes, and the Quantum Bands. Not a peep about anything Inhuman.

*Even if they did bring the Black Bolt actor back for a multiverse cameo.
 
I think DP is a fine character, but speds took his breaking the 4th wall and think it's funny to make references to ten billion things. Like fucking hell how many of them even know who Bea Arthur is?
A lot of them probably. Most people know her from golden girls reruns and various references to her and cameos the last several decades. It's like Gary Coleman, who's ironically has ben dead for kind of close to the same time as Bea Arthur has been. They stay somewhat relevant somehow via people calling back to their stuff or the things they were in showing up in places in some form and people going back and checking that stuff out of curiosity sometimes.

Reference humour is everywhere these days and ages like milk. If you watch the Harley Quinn or Kite Man cartoons (why would you?) 90% of it is pop-culture references. Kite Man even had a Brexit joke (for generous definitions of joke. In 2024!
That's partly because DC has been trying to turn Harley Quinn into their Deadpool "But a strong independant girlboss and not a white guy!" Instead of doing the obvious thing to do and making Deathstroke their "anti-deadpool" as his gimmick because of the origin of both characters having ties to the same people down to their names being near identical save for a few letters..Just make a super serious deathstroke series and actually write it well it'll do abut as well as deadpool does probably.

MCU burning down after their last phase is kinda funny. I don't care about Deadpool and Wolverine that much, but I wager the fun of the film is offset by the amount of redditor tier "reference" humor that not even Deadpool can save.

I think DP is a fine character, but speds took his breaking the 4th wall and think it's funny to make references to ten billion things. Like fucking hell how many of them even know who Bea Arthur is?
Wouldn't really call it 'redditor tier' when it's full of the kind of stuff that'd make reddit people angry like when he intentionally misgenders wolverine and makes a "i'm gender-blind" comment. misgendering is a BIG nono amidst those guys because well you know, the trans thing.

The movie wasn't as good as the first 2, I agree, but like I said in my rambling mess of a thought stream review earlier it's also blatantly trying to double as a comedic/tribute kind of sendoff to the FOX produced marvel movies before they get completely absorbed and erased by the mouse. Part of me wants to know what Deadpool 3 was gonna be like before the Disney buyout absolutely fucked it for a bit because it's clearly not the same movie it was going to be in the slightest and literally just turned into the people making it's way of kind of venting about being fucked by Disney. it reminds me of how Banjo Nuts and Bolts constantly referenced without directly saying the company's name how Microsoft at the time wanted shooters and sports games because of "market demographic research" instead of the platformers the company they bought out were known for making (or bringing up how badly grabbed by the ghoulies sold constantly).

Reference humor was done pretty decently in this movie, as "badly it ages" in time I think it did really well, especially the running theme of how much people hype up the Disney produced marvel movies compared to the FOX produced ones despite the fact both of them started sliding in quality after a point and then after the fox ones stopped being made due to the buyout the disney one's quality dropped off a cliff but they still get hyped up by the media as being great. Of course deadpool being a loser who's only good at killing people and aware of the fourth wall would pull some shit trying to get into the "popular" series. Notice how the only stuff he references is the early MCU stuff and how he's not even aware of who the fuck the disney+ time cop guys are? How he still views Iron man and Captain America as if they're alive? Yeah check when deadpool 2 came out. it's 2018. Captain marvel and endgame were 2019 and all the other bullshit was AFTER.

im talking about the trailers and yes you are correct. that bit was legit disgusting and how fucked up the movie was that for me the cashgrab cameos were the best part
Wouldn't call it a "cashgrab cameo" if they're all from movies Disney wants people to forget so they can move onto implementing their "modern audience" redo characters into the MCU. (whenever they get out of dev hell or get turned into stretched out disney+ shows)
 
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That's partly because DC has been trying to turn Harley Quinn into their Deadpool "But a strong independant girlboss and not a white guy!"
Which is just the dumbest thing because her character does not work on her own. She needs to have a relationship of some kind to work.
 
Beau DeMayo, The NigFag who was running X-Men '97 but got fired for being a FagNig is now saying he was fired for posting this fanart:
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Marvel responded by saying they did an internal investigation and claiming their findings were egregious.
To which the NagFig then said:
“The truth will be revealed. After their Disney Plus disaster, Marvel wants to mislead with alleged contract breaches over tweets. It’s tragic it’s come to this but unsurprising. Stay tuned.”

Only for it to come out that he'd been sending spicy photos of himself to young staffers in the show.

I'm calling chomo, but we should by now realize that's almost default with these degenerates.
 
Which is just the dumbest thing because her character does not work on her own. She needs to have a relationship of some kind to work.
The comic writers and now TV show writers never seem to fully understand why people liked the character or even what made them work. Recent stuff has been doing that thing where they have the character called harley quinn and having the appearance of the character while simultaneously not being tied to the joker or even having a reason for dressing like a fucking harlequin but before that they ruined the character by making her actually retarded level "attractive simp but also gets superpowers because she gets bleached like joker and then she breaks off and becomes a girlboss!!!!" It's stupid.

Been over this before and it's going into a DC rather than Marvel tangent at this point but seriously we're just never gonna see a great fucking character dynamic like this ever again at this point
It's fine though, Deadpool mentions batman in the new movie by name. Somehow tied by that alone I guess.
 
I believe the reason he's in prison is because he tries to get them out of there.
No, he isn't. He is there just because he is pissed off some of his superiors with something completely unrelated to the girls.

To be fair, to him: He not as bad I made him sound in my earlier comment. I forgot that he kinda tries to apologize(?) throughout the movie; but the movie treats it as a joke and never let's him explain exactly what are his thoughts and feeling about the girls. He is not as bad as Milena (the scientist lady); but whatever guilt or empathy he might feel is purely implied because the scrip is so under-baked.

Black widow, to me, is very frustrating because, at the very least, the characters have potential, but they don't have anything else. Everything needed more time in the oven.
 
The comic writers and now TV show writers never seem to fully understand why people liked the character or even what made them work. Recent stuff has been doing that thing where they have the character called harley quinn and having the appearance of the character while simultaneously not being tied to the joker or even having a reason for dressing like a fucking harlequin but before that they ruined the character by making her actually retarded level "attractive simp but also gets superpowers because she gets bleached like joker and then she breaks off and becomes a girlboss!!!!" It's stupid.

Been over this before and it's going into a DC rather than Marvel tangent at this point but seriously we're just never gonna see a great fucking character dynamic like this ever again at this point
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kepgBBpT7M4:89It's fine though, Deadpool mentions batman in the new movie by name. Somehow tied by that alone I guess.
This clip is great and really shows a dynamic of Harley and The Joker that people forget. Harley didn't just roll over and accept all the abuse given to her. She still accepted some, yes, but when pushed she snipped and snapped back at The Joker like they were an old married couple, and there was at least one occasion where she tried to kill him because he went too far. The tragedy was that every time she manages to get out and try to move on, he'd do something to pull her back in and she'd fall back into the cycle of abuse. Just like almost all the prominent figures in Batman's Rogues Gallery, she was as tragic as she was dangerous. She was manipulated, yes, but you can't say she was unaware of what she was doing or didn't enjoy it. She's a bad person that deserves punishment, not to have all her crimes shrugged off as the fault of her abuser and him alone.
 
Again, got to disagree. The actor brings a lot of charisma and empathy to the role of the forgotten and discarded hero, imo. I don't think they mean him to be a child trafficker. The only kids I think he brings in are his 'daughters' and Natasha is actually already an agent and was one before she was sent to America, He's in prison most of the time they're being trained and I'm not sure he even knows about the mind-control at the time. That was their mother's project. He thinks it's an opportunity for them that they just don't understand yet. I believe the reason he's in prison is because he tries to get them out of there. I'm not sitting through it a second time to confirm, though.
You know what bothers me?

In FATWS: Isaiah Bradley is a Captain America knockoff from the Cold War era who was experimented on, used by his government, sent to fight in secret missions in wars -including fighting HYDRA-, then discarded and thrown in jail for further abuse. TRAGIC. SHAMEFUL. RACIST. We gotta do better.
In Black Widow: Red Guardian is a Captain America knockoff from the Cold War era who was experimented on, used by his government, sent to fight in secret missions in wars -including fighting HYDRA-, then discarded and thrown in the gulag for further abuse. HAHA. FUNNY. PATHETIC. Mock the stupid white old man.
 
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I think the MCU going forward would be better served in doing individual movies and stop trying to tie them all in with each other and trying to make one big arc out of all of it. They did that with the first few phases, and while successful, there were flaws with that model. After Endgame, it should've reverted back to individual movies and characters, maybe making reference to the wider SHARED universe, and THAT would make sense. Save the real big shit for the Avengers get togethers every few years or so.

They tried to do too much at once, and no one really knew what the hell was going on. You had to like.. watch 3 or 4 TV shows at once, while keeping up with all the movies. No one's (who isn't already at least autistic enough to be a modern Marvel fan) going to do this. Most average people are going to watch one movie then realize they need to see all the others, and it's going to be a pain in the ass. I think they've finally realized this. I would hope so anyway.
 
It's never going to happen, but...

I'd like a smaller budget marvel movie to be set entirely in one of their alternate universes. Not a Multiverse movie made of stitched together cameos, but an actual full-blown story set in one of the many other universes/imprints that the company had throughout the decades.

A Squadron Supreme movie could show people a version of the Justice League that isn't completely fucked up, and it wouldn't have to have a team fighting THE BLUE LIGHT IN THE SKY ENDING THE WORLD.

A New Universe movie set back in the 80s could be amazing, a sort of merging of the old failed line and the new 2000s run by Warren Ellis where it's one story.

Epic had a bunch of stories that were well done and interesting, and Marvel could even go back further and do a proper Starlord (as his original incarnation) film that's just a pulp adventure homage with a fun series of action scenes and stakes that aren't immediately ridiculous.

Deathshead alone would make for a decent character on the big screen, yes?

A man can dream. They need to remember that you can do whatever you want if you stop the current bullshit production process and start with a good script.
 
I think the MCU going forward would be better served in doing individual movies and stop trying to tie them all in with each other and trying to make one big arc out of all of it. They did that with the first few phases, and while successful, there were flaws with that model. After Endgame, it should've reverted back to individual movies and characters, maybe making reference to the wider SHARED universe, and THAT would make sense. Save the real big shit for the Avengers get togethers every few years or so.

They tried to do too much at once, and no one really knew what the hell was going on. You had to like.. watch 3 or 4 TV shows at once, while keeping up with all the movies. No one's (who isn't already at least autistic enough to be a modern Marvel fan) going to do this. Most average people are going to watch one movie then realize they need to see all the others, and it's going to be a pain in the ass. I think they've finally realized this. I would hope so anyway.
They have the opposite problem, actually. Phase 4 and 5 weren't building to anything. Stuff that happens in one show didn't affect each other in a logical way. Remember that in She-hulk, the Sokovia Accords were abolished. Aside from WHY?! It doesn't affect FATWS or Thor 4. Doctor Strange 2 could have really used help from other Supes, but Doc doesn't bother to call in Hawkeye and rather let a hundred mooks with the same kind of weapon defend the temple. Kang is strictly an Antman villain that got beat by socialist ants and the Marvels and the Guardians and the Celestials don't interact at all despite being cosmic characters. None of these shows and movies are thematically related to each other, nor do they build a bigger narrative or world towards anything.

And all that is secondary to the basic problem the MCU has now, bad characterization. No Phase 4 or 5 character has sufficient drama to them to justify the stories being told. And it's all caused by a lack of a series bible that the average showrunner is supposed to make. It is absolutely Feige's job to keep his writer's room moving in the same direction and he failed to do so with all these shows that both are interconnected, but inconsistent at the same time. These shows require doing homework and the pay off isn't even worth it in the end.
 
They have the opposite problem, actually. Phase 4 and 5 weren't building to anything. Stuff that happens in one show didn't affect each other in a logical way. Remember that in She-hulk, the Sokovia Accords were abolished. Aside from WHY?! It doesn't affect FATWS or Thor 4. Doctor Strange 2 could have really used help from other Supes, but Doc doesn't bother to call in Hawkeye and rather let a hundred mooks with the same kind of weapon defend the temple. Kang is strictly an Antman villain that got beat by socialist ants and the Marvels and the Guardians and the Celestials don't interact at all despite being cosmic characters. None of these shows and movies are thematically related to each other, nor do they build a bigger narrative or world towards anything.

And all that is secondary to the basic problem the MCU has now, bad characterization. No Phase 4 or 5 character has sufficient drama to them to justify the stories being told. And it's all caused by a lack of a series bible that the average showrunner is supposed to make. It is absolutely Feige's job to keep his writer's room moving in the same direction and he failed to do so with all these shows that both are interconnected, but inconsistent at the same time. These shows require doing homework and the pay off isn't even worth it in the end.
I think phase 4 was eaten by the whole DEI shit where we get Echo and Monica Rambeau and many other BIPOC heroes without any real payoff or interest. Like, cool we get all these characters. What the fuck are they going to do that's interesting? Kate Bishop and She-Hulk were at least directly tied to relevant OG Avengers, but they really fucked up the use of most of the others. Aside from maybe Moon Knight, Hawkeye, and the Falcon-Bucky show from what I've been told.

It's a shame because I think this woulda been interesting if they'd kept consistency and focused on the characters we already have for a bit. There's like 5 potential MCs from the agents of shield show. You have the Netflix Defenders. Why not give us a snappy and fun Iron Fist-Luke Cage show? Tie it into Shang-Chi indirectly.

Or have the Captain America's Legacy show. You have Sam and Bucky running around, you also have the opportunity to make use of the Super-Soldier project stuff and just go all in to set up the introduction of Wolverine as a big hint.

Hell an "Iron Man's Legacy" film/show could have been cool, especially as a leadup to Secret Invasion. Have it be Rhodey trying to figure out Tony's contingency plans and what they all mean. Have him clumsily bring the plans to the other heroes and do it in a way as to him not trying to make it super obvious what a big deal it is. At the end, reveal that he's a Skrull. Bam.

Then you move to Secret Invasion with Skrull-Rhodey running around claiming that the superhumans need to be contained due to Wanda or some shit.

Fuck me I just fixed the timeline issue in 3 minutes. Where's my goddamned check.
 
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