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The whole part about making that X-Men character nonbinary in this new show—beyond it not being a thing back then—is just that the decision is just another signal there’s not even the faintest amount of sincerity in the show's creative process. There’s people in a writers' room who are like “we have to do this to check off a box on a list : ”, which stinks.
 
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The whole part about making that X-Men character nonbinary in this new show—beyond it not being a thing back then—is just that the decision is just another signal there’s not even the faintest amount of sincerity in the show's creative process. There’s people in a writers' room who are like “we have to do this :checks off box: ”, which stinks.
It will be a massive accomplishment if the show doesn't disrespectfully murder or emasculate anybody.

It would astonishing if it manages to be just ok. That's how low the bar is these days.
 
there's also literally ancient greek fucking little boys maybe we don't need to do everything they did 24/7
meta can be fun but it wears out REALLY quick without a very delicate touch

- Someone mentions greek plays as an example of fourth wall elements
- "Yeah but how about the boy fucking?"

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Niggah what?
 
The whole part about making that X-Men character nonbinary in this new show—beyond it not being a thing back then—is just that the decision is just another signal there’s not even the faintest amount of sincerity in the show's creative process. There’s people in a writers' room who are like “we have to do this to check off a box on a list : ”, which stinks.
With modern writers and audience you can't just have the obvious metaphor of mutants = persecuted minority (despite the fact that they 100% deserve that oppression), you have to make them gay to show how they are the good guys
 
They're good guys! Just ignore Gambit taking part in the Morlock Massacre. Or Xavier having a dossier on how to deal with/kill X-men if they go completely evil. Or Bishop wanting to kill a child to prevent a potential future. Or Rogue putting Ms Marvel in a coma with her powers back when she was in the Brotherhood Of Mutants. Or Jean Grey being a ginger.
 
We're discussing the Sony movies in this thread as well, right? The Schrodinger's MCU?

Because I saw Madam Web, yes - taking one for the team. It was bland would be the best way to describe it. The most egregious parts were trying to pass the three women off as teenagers. I don't know how old they actually are but I would be floored if any one of them was under twenty. The blonde one had so much make-up on to try and rejuvenate her that I think if someone had slapped her on the back of the head you'd have gotten an actual death mask fall off, like the Ancient Romans used to make. She was quite pneumatic though which made them trying to pass her off as the shy, awkward girl as laughable as all their ages. Well, not so much the physical attributes so much as wearing this preppy little school girl thing that stopped about 4" above her knees and there's a moment where the Black girl (sorry - can't remember any of their names) ties blonde girl's blouse off in a little mid-riff thing and she exclaims how that's 'not really me.' I'm sorry, say what now? You've spent the whole movie so far in a little skirt, black knee-highs and stylishly nerd glasses and you're all "no - I'm an awkward girl who's not comfortable being sexy". Yeah, right.

The other two were okay, but again, I watch movies like this and I wonder why the Hell women in their twenties are going to school or saying "please save me" to a woman who honestly doesn't look that much older than they do."

Madam Web's powers strangely mirror the audience which is very meta. Because you see Madam Web knows exactly what is going to happen before it does, and watching the movie I felt precisely the same.

The actor playing the villain is okay. He looks good in the role and is convincingly menacing I suppose. But there's so very little backstory he's got little to work with. He makes a couple of references to "what he's built" in terms of... organisation? crime empire? reputation? No idea, really. Is he an elite assassin? A thief? Just can't tell. If ever there was a movie that needed a longer run time and a director's cut, it's probably this. But on the other hand, if it had a longer run time there would probably be audience fatalities.

It's not so much that it's terrible, it's just that there's very little good in it. I do lay that slightly more at the director than at the cast fwiw, though.
 
@Overly Serious since you endured this trainwreck, I want you to clear something up. Did this movie basically imply that Peter is Ben's son in even though he name wasn't said?
 
Because I saw Madam Web, yes - taking one for the team. It was bland would be the best way to describe it.
I’m only curious on how accurate the following shitpost is.
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Again, the only bad thing about this movie being a dumpster fire is that I don’t think Sony is retarded enough to be gaslit into rereleasing it in theatres a second time.
 
@Overly Serious since you endured this trainwreck, I want you to clear something up. Did this movie basically imply that Peter is Ben's son in even though he name wasn't said?
It's easter egg level - I didn't notice if the surname Parker was mentioned or not though it's the name of the character in the credits. She is a paramedic and her (work) partner is named Ben. His sister is present in the movie and her name is Mary. Mary's husband named "Richard" is said to be away on business or something. We do know the baby is a boy but a balloon pops just as Mary is about to say what the name is at her baby shower. You have to read between the lines a lot but given a few references to "Richard" being away a lot I think the implication is that she never marries him as she still has the same family name as her brother. The alternative is that she married a guy with the same family name as her.

Ben is explicitly her brother in the movie so unless for some reason he's secretly fathering a child with his sister and she's lying to her partner about it being his child then no, the movie does not imply that Peter is Ben's son. However, it would be relatively easy to miss that Ben and Mary are siblings so somebody probably misinterpreted the relationship between the two characters. He does drive her to the hospital to give birth and is generally the one looking after her. I don't know why her name is Mary rather than May - I've never heard people use May as a diminutive for Mary, it's its own name. Though I suppose it's possible.

An early version of the script apparently had the villain after Peter to stop him growing up before they switched it to the three girls.

I’m only curious on how accurate the following shitpost is.
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Again, the only bad thing about this movie being a dumpster fire is that I don’t think Sony is retarded enough to be gaslit into rereleasing it in theatres a second time.
Okay. So obviously spoiler territory but I think we're beyond that by now. And nobody in this thread is excited about the movie so I'm just going to launch in.

I haven't seen Forspoken so I cannot compare unlikeability. She's not exactly a warm and engaging person though the actress is nice enough. The unlikeability is mainly fairly forced things in script like bringing up that her mum died in childbirth to a pregnant Mary Parker. She does throw away a child's drawing but not in front of the child. She's Hollywood awkward about anything family related because of very forced writing her own mother died and she grew up in the foster system. A child attempts to give her a drawing to thank her for saving his mum or dad's life and she refuses it until Ben sotto voce insists she accept it. She later pulls it out and has an emotional moment seeing a drawing of a kid and two parents. Actually, I don't remember if she actually throws it away or not. She is very reluctant to accept it, though.

She does talk a lot about not wanting to save the girls and wanting to dump them on their parents and stop being involved in this. She never talks about hating saving people as a paramedic. Shitposter is getting a little carried away there. She just doesn't see why it should be on her to save three people she doesn't know from a super-powered killer. She's basically an ordinary person at this point who has just yesterday started getting visions.

None of the girls get superpowers, it's never explained how they get superpowers. All moments with them having superpowers are part of either her or the villains' vision of the future. They're not necessarily false future visions, however. The villain's are because he dies during the movie not in the future as his visions tell him. But Madam Web also sees them with powers in the future I think, so presumably they still get them.

It is correct that they don't go to the police because one of the girls says she'd be deported. Her dad was and she is now faking not being alone to her landlord for two more years because when she turns 18 she'll be safe or something. Which now that you've reminded me of it means that the girl is supposed to be sixteen. There is zero way that the actress passes for sixteen, but bless her for trying.

I believe they do mention the villain's name briefly towards the end. She discovers that he was the one who was with her mother in the Amazon where the magic spiders live and I think she gets his name from the back of a photograph. I will grant you though that it would be very, very easy to get through this entire movie without knowing his name. We learn pretty much nothing about him or what he does when he's not hunting down girls from his visions. He does jump in front of her car at every opportunity.

He also dies when a giant S from an illuminated Pepsi Cola sign falls on him, this is also true. Slight context is missing - Cassie forsees that the S is going to fall down and edges in its direction so that he's in position to be Warner Brother's by it when it falls.

Cassie does not "figure out her powers out of nowhere". A Disposable Exposition Man has a scene with her earlier in the movie and tells her she can be in multiple places at once. And that "if you accept responsibility then great power will come". So technically she's been told about these powers in advance. But yeah, other than it's just a suddenly have them moment. Specifically all three girls miraculously end up clinging to things over an enormous drop (which Cassie created by blowing stuff up fwiw) and all some distance from each other. The villain taunts her by saying "You can't save all of them" at which point alternate glowing versions of Cassie all beam out of her body to the girls and save all of them. Silly villain!

There's a tiny bit between that and the actual end of the movie - we see that Cassie is now blind. No reason given that I could see. We see Ben and Mary in the hospital with a newborn baby boy. Seriously, there's almost no reason for this. They either go all in on this being a story about Peter Parker being born or scrap it. What they ended up with is a weird disconnected scene that means nothing to the story. And then we get to the closing scene where the three girls all now live with Cassie. One of them does indeed steal fried chicken and she is indeed Black, though any subtext to that passed me by entirely because I am not American.

So your shitposter has evidently seen the movie and barring a couple of minor and very understandable things he missed, is correct. I give him 9/10 for accurate summary.

Hope that helps! :)

EDIT: In the course of checking the character surname, I visited IMDB. This is apparently a sixteen year old:
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He does jump in front of her car at every opportunity.
Technically one time it was an ambulance (which she ramped through yet another convenient product placement sign)


He also dies when a giant S from an illuminated Pepsi Cola sign falls on him, this is also true. Slight context is missing - Cassie forsees that the S is going to fall down and edges in its direction so that he's in position to be Warner Brother's by it when it falls.
Man it sure was lucky for her that a random fireworks factory on an industrial estate just happened to have a giant neon Pepsi sign on it...


There's a tiny bit between that and the actual end of the movie - we see that Cassie is now blind. No reason given that I could see.
It's a blink and you'll miss it moment. Right after the bad dude dies she ends up falling into the water after him, and while she's sinking she gets hit in the face with a firework (man if only someone with precognitive powers could have seen that coming). Unless you saw that exact second it hit here, and realized what it was, I can see why you might not understand why she's then blind given the firework magically somehow did literally no visible damage to her face.

 
Technically one time it was an ambulance (which she ramped through yet another convenient product placement sign)
This is true. I deliberately didn't mention that in an attempt to flush out someone else who had seen this movie. I couldn't suffer alone any longer.

It's a blink and you'll miss it moment. Right after the bad dude dies she ends up falling into the water after him, and while she's sinking she gets hit in the face with a firework (man if only someone with precognitive powers could have seen that coming). Unless you saw that exact second it hit here, and realized what it was, I can see why you might not understand why she's then blind given the firework magically somehow did literally no visible damage to her face.

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Huh. That old underwater firework hitting you in the face. How many times have we seen this happen!
 
I've also seen Madame Web as my date pick it.

It wasn't bad, it was just average. There was some weird lines from the Villian that had been clearly redubbed, I'm guessing as a result of test screenings or re-shoots and the girls didn't look like teenagers and for some reason they were fatter (particularly the black girl) during the future visions. I don't quite get the hate boner everyone has for it. It wasn't clear why it needed to be set in 2003. I did like that the story was relatively small stakes wise (just saving 3 girls), everything that was set-up and paid off (i.e. Cassie visits the fireworks factory through her work and hears that its a death trap, <-> they use it as a death trap at the end for the villain, she teaches the girls CPR because the villain has poison that stops the heart <-> the girls use CPR to save Cassie).

It actually did feel like it needed to be longer, it wasn't super clear at the end why Cassie was in a motorised wheelchair and Blind, the Villian's motivations while clear needed to be better fleshed out.
 
It's easter egg level - I didn't notice if the surname Parker was mentioned or not though it's the name of the character in the credits. She is a paramedic and her (work) partner is named Ben. His sister is present in the movie and her name is Mary. Mary's husband named "Richard" is said to be away on business or something. We do know the baby is a boy but a balloon pops just as Mary is about to say what the name is at her baby shower. You have to read between the lines a lot but given a few references to "Richard" being away a lot I think the implication is that she never marries him as she still has the same family name as her brother. The alternative is that she married a guy with the same family name as her.

Ben is explicitly her brother in the movie so unless for some reason he's secretly fathering a child with his sister and she's lying to her partner about it being his child then no, the movie does not imply that Peter is Ben's son. However, it would be relatively easy to miss that Ben and Mary are siblings so somebody probably misinterpreted the relationship between the two characters. He does drive her to the hospital to give birth and is generally the one looking after her. I don't know why her name is Mary rather than May - I've never heard people use May as a diminutive for Mary, it's its own name. Though I suppose it's possible.

An early version of the script apparently had the villain after Peter to stop him growing up before they switched it to the three girls.
Thanks for clearing that up and looking further, it seems Mary in this movie was his sister-in-law.
 
I love how even the people who made Madame Web are mocking it.
This was posted by one of the actresses.
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Thanks for clearing that up and looking further, it seems Mary in this movie was his sister-in-law.
Ah, that would make sense. I thought she was his actual sister for some reason. So does he marry his brother's widow or something? I thought Aunt May and Uncle Ben were a couple.
 
Ah, that would make sense. I thought she was his actual sister for some reason. So does he marry his brother's widow or something? I thought Aunt May and Uncle Ben were a couple.
Like you stated, Richard is out on business. I guess Sony is trying to go with the "Richard Parker is a spy" route, which is why he cannot be home for the birth of his son. Since Aunt May has been featured so much in other Spider-Man content, they probably decided not to include her in this movie.
 
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