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Does Hollywood even have star power anymore? There's a massive ongoing generational gap in making new identifiable actors after a lot of 80's-90's actors retired. They tried to use Game of Thrones actors instead but they all bombed and the series ending badly removed them from public consciousness
Surely this is by design. “Star” actors run the risk of getting too uppity for the tastes of Hollywood jewlords, even if they draw more eyes by their very existence. Seems like a gamble they made to centralize power that isn’t quite working out like they expected.
 
Does Hollywood even have star power anymore? There's a massive ongoing generational gap in making new identifiable actors after a lot of 80's-90's actors retired. They tried to use Game of Thrones actors instead but they all bombed and the series ending badly removed them from public consciousness
No.

They still need actors like Tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves, who are in their 60s now, to sell movies based on stardom now. They tried making all of these young people household names that aren’t reliant on an existing IP and they just don’t seem to have the charisma or skill needed to hold a film up.
 
Surely this is by design. “Star” actors run the risk of getting too uppity for the tastes of Hollywood jewlords, even if they draw more eyes by their very existence. Seems like a gamble they made to centralize power that isn’t quite working out like they expected.
Not really, it's easier to influence young stars while the older ones have fuck you money. Like I said, it's just a combination of not wanting to risk high budget films with new stars, and nepotism to prevent actually talented people having a chance (not to mention blacklisting anyone with problematic view, it's easier being a pedo in Hollywood than a Christian).
 
Stop fucking pretending that small petite girls can beat men twice her size.

Posting this clip yet again because it makes me laugh that the only movie that treats a female fighter realistically is one where the star's ego was so big that he wouldn't allow himself to lose to anyone.

She's doing crazy ju-jitsu shit and he ends the fight by just grabbing her and dragging her away.
 
Basically this. People can cope that “it’s not Superhero Fatigue, it’s Bad Movie Fatigue”, and while it's not complete Cope, the movies ARE bad, it ignores the core issue.
Its not cope if its true, there's a reason the only good superhero movie to come out recently (guardians 3) made like 900 mil.

It literally is bad movie fatigue, that's the core issue. Writers are talentless hacks only there because of nepotism. Swapping the genre won't fix the issue, swapping writers will.
 
It literally is bad movie fatigue, that's the core issue. Writers are talentless hacks only there because of nepotism. Swapping the genre won't fix the issue, swapping writers will.
I agree, that's why I say it isn't complete cope - there's truth to it after all - but I still think the falloff after a decade of dominating the box office was inevitable.

People were going to move on eventually, the movies and shows being shit tier is just speeding up the process.
 
The Rock before he managed to tank all of his goodwill and connections via Black Adam
What's the story here? Sounds interesting.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jK3cLbdw_DM:229
Posting this clip yet again because it makes me laugh that the only movie that treats a female fighter realistically is one where the star's ego was so big that he wouldn't allow himself to lose to anyone.

She's doing crazy ju-jitsu shit and he ends the fight by just grabbing her and dragging her away.
Watched this the other night at the recommendation of my roommate. I remember thinking they actually did the strong female character well in this. That explains that. Lol.

Had the coof over the holiday break so was stuck at home. Finally got around to watching The GOTG Holiday Special and GOTG Vol 3 cause IMHO along with Spider-Man it's the only thing MCU has going for it anymore. The holiday special was fun but did not prepare me for what was to come in Vol 3. Possibly the most un MCU film in the MCU which it desperately needs, especially post Endgame. Also, here they were trying to build Kang as the new big bad when The High Evolutionary was easily a way bigger villain. No one's going to be starting r/thehighevolutionarydidnothingwrong that's for sure.
 
I agree, that's why I say it isn't complete cope - there's truth to it after all - but I still think the falloff after a decade of dominating the box office was inevitable.

People were going to move on eventually, the movies and shows being shit tier is just speeding up the process.
Yeah that's my point, so far we haven't gotten an example of a good superhero movie tanking. Once that happens then we can actually make the call.

You can argue that the trend is over insofar that you literally can't release straight garbage anymore and still make money sure, but good movies still make money and shitloads of it.
 
What's the story here? Sounds interesting.
The TLDR version goes something like "The Rock came in and basically tried to make himself the focal point of the DCEU, wanting Black Adam to be on par with Superman. He managed to piss off a LOT of people doing this, including the guy who played Shazam by refusing to allow a cameo by/in Shazam, despite how closely linked the characters are."
Yeah that's my point, so far we haven't gotten an example of a good superhero movie tanking. Once that happens then we can actually make the call.
I'd argue we have with The Marvels - it's break even point, per a quick check, was around $439M, with $700M being the point it becomes profitable. After a quick look at Box Office figures it's hovering around $205M.

I'll admit that one might be an argument that Marvels budges have bloated past the point of parody, but if those numbers are at all accurate that'd be a gutpunch to the MCU.
 
The TLDR version goes something like "The Rock came in and basically tried to make himself the focal point of the DCEU, wanting Black Adam to be on par with Superman. He managed to piss off a LOT of people doing this, including the guy who played Shazam by refusing to allow a cameo by/in Shazam, despite how closely linked the characters are."
You'd think then he'd at least try get a character who's not a literal who for this goal.
 
You'd think then he'd at least try get a character who's not a literal who for this goal.
Yea his interest in Black Adam is a weird one, and one his had for a long time, since I clearly remember hearing news about him in talks with DC about a movie even before the Snyder movies started. The thing is that the only people who care about Black Adam, are DC comics fans and those fans don’t want a Black Adam is the hero movie. They wanted a Shazam VS Black Adam movie.
 
You'd think then he'd at least try get a character who's not a literal who for this goal.
If BEN AFFLECK playing BATMAN can cameo in Suicide Squad, Dwayne's not too good for Shazam. I doubt he would've allowed his precious Gary Stu to job to Superman either, so it's for the best that didn't happen either.
 
You'd think then he'd at least try get a character who's not a literal who for this goal.
I think it's because at some point in the mid 2000's, a lot of artists started basing their art of certain characters on certain actors (I mean, it's always happened but around that time some examples were pretty blatant). Like Norman Osborn being modeled on Tommy Lee Jones, Tony Stark on Josh Holloway, Ult Nick Fury on Sam L Jackson, etc.
Some started using The Rock for Black Adam (and Namor, for whatever reason), and I guess The Rock found out and took Black Adam very personally. He was claiming the character for himself for a long time before it became a project.
 
The Marvels Failure.png

The Marvels has finally finished its box office run and became the lowest grossing MCU film.

Couldn't even beat The Incredible Hulk even with 16 years of inflation. :stress:
 
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The Marvels has finally finished its box office run and become the lowest grossing MCU film.

Couldn't even beat The Incredible Hulk even with 16 years of inflation.
It's wrong to laugh but in no way is that going to stop me.
Next question is if Kang the domestic abuser makes things better or worse for them when they dump the next Avengers.
 
"It's not superhero fatigue; it's bad movie fatigue" is a cope. Most of the Marvel movies in phase 4 and 5 are about the same quality as some of the movies in phase 3. The high water mark for consistent quality were the first 2 phases. Hell, it could be argued that the Marvels was an uptick in quality from the first Captain Marvel, and yet it stil bombed.
 
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