Marvel Cinematic Universe

[el bandito loco]

yo is it literally just that fight scene or is there a whole daredevil episode of echo? I'm sure all of you gentlemen are on the same page as me (not watching that shit) however, if one of you has a retarded girlfriend or buddy who forces you into it, please let me know. I saw that leaked fight scene last week and it was beyond embarrassing. I love the Kingpin also but I'm assuming he's a main character and I really couldn't be bothered to watch the show to see him, but if cox as daredevil has any substantial time (10/20 minutes) I'm willing to download that episode and scrub through to find him and see how they trainwreck his relationship with fisk.

I love Netflix Daredevil. Even season 2 and Defenders which both suck, ill go so far as to say I enjoy anyways. but although the performance was good, in Hawkeye they already fucked up Fisk himself, who was of course the best part of the previous show. and in she hulk I watched that episode and I actually thought everything with Matt was fine beyond the ending walk of shame joke, and bad choreography. but that I could handle okay because it's advertised as a comedy (however unfunny it may be) and a shitty cut away gag of daredevil doing a walk of shame through a neighborhood wouldn't break the character for me if it happened in an issue of deadpool and not a 'serious' comic, so I assume if they fuck him up before his show comes out in my eyes it'll be here.

 

[starborn427614]

yo is it literally just that fight scene or is there a whole daredevil episode of echo? I'm sure all of you gentlemen are on the same page as me (not watching that shit) however, if one of you has a retarded girlfriend or buddy who forces you into it, please let me know. I saw that leaked fight scene last week and it was beyond embarrassing. I love the Kingpin also but I'm assuming he's a main character and I really couldn't be bothered to watch the show to see him, but if cox as daredevil has any substantial time (10/20 minutes) I'm willing to download that episode and scrub through to find him and see how they trainwreck his relationship with fisk.

I love Netflix Daredevil. Even season 2 and Defenders which both suck, ill go so far as to say I enjoy anyways. but although the performance was good, in Hawkeye they already fucked up Fisk himself, who was of course the best part of the previous show. and in she hulk I watched that episode and I actually thought everything with Matt was fine beyond the ending walk of shame joke, and bad choreography. but that I could handle okay because it's advertised as a comedy (however unfunny it may be) and a shitty cut away gag of daredevil doing a walk of shame through a neighborhood wouldn't break the character for me if it happened in an issue of deadpool and not a 'serious' comic, so I assume if they fuck him up before his show comes out in my eyes it'll be here.

I've got nothing better to do today, so I'll watch it and get back to you all later. I'm highly doubtful he's going to be a major player considering there's only five episodes, though.

 

[el bandito loco]

I've got nothing better to do today, so I'll watch it and get back to you all later. I'm highly doubtful he's going to be a major player considering there's only five episodes, though.

when it comes to daredevil me neither but I was wondering if he's just a cameo or if one of the 5 episodes is about him. looking forward to you telling me most likely how bad the show is overall though later

 

[starborn427614]

when it comes to daredevil me neither but I was wondering if he's just a cameo or if one of the 5 episodes is about him. looking forward to you telling me most likely how bad the show is overall though later

Just got done. Will summarize a few things based on what little there is to go on:
- I'm not sure what they advertised the show as pre-release, but if anything it's mostly a family drama with heavy emphasis on Echo's native American roots. Lots of talking. If you've seen literally any crime/mafia-type show you know what to expect.
- Daredevil is there for a grand total of 2-3 minutes. It's just a fight scene between him and Echo in the first episode (which is itself a flashback). The Netflix show(s) is/are MCU canon now, which you can see if you go to the Timeline Order page on Disney Plus.
- Vincent is still great as Kingpin, though he's only in three out of five episodes.
- Action is decent, definitely more blood than your average D+ show but not sure if it's on DD's level.
- Music is well used.
- Pacing goes to shit at the end of episode four (funnily enough, the most interesting episode). Needed to be at least six-seven episodes long instead of five.

tl;dr:
If you care about the character or want to learn more about her, you might enjoy it. If you wanted a proper lead-in to the upcoming Daredevil show you're gonna be pretty disappointed and I'd recommend skipping.

Post credits scene: Kingpin's flying back to New York after getting BTFO by Echo, her cousin and her grandma (it makes sense in context). He has the news on in the background and it mentions how NYC's mayoral elections are ongoing and there's still time for an upset. A "bare knuckled brawler" is what New York needs, apparently. Wilson seems very intrigued by this.

If I had to rate it, I guess it's a 6? I didn't really care that much about the character during Hawkeye, but the family angle they went for here was more interesting at least.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

"It's not superhero fatigue; it's bad movie fatigue" is a cope. Most of the Marvel movies in phase 4 and 5 are about the same quality as some of the movies in phase 3. The high water mark for consistent quality were the first 2 phases. Hell, it could be argued that the Marvels was an uptick in quality from the first Captain Marvel, and yet it stil bombed.

It's not even just capeshit fatigue. It's franchise fatigue and it's IP fatigue.

 

[el bandito loco]

@starborn427614 thanks, yeah sounds like something I'm going to skip. it sounds better than I expected, but also like something I need absolutely nothing out of besides the after credits so I know when we see Fisk next he'll be running for Mayor in DD and then after that in Spider-Man 4? He'll just already be the mayor. the weird thing is if DD is canon now, is who the fuck would vote for that guy after his known activities a decade ago? Lol if I wrote it there would be some shady election fraud organized crime shit but we know damn well the faggots at Disney won't do that at the risk of some equally faggoty people taking it as an endorsement of 2020s election being rigged or something.

I like the idea that the new Daredevil show will be him running around basically losing his mind wondering why the fuck Wilson Fisk of all people is gaining political traction after he sent him away twice though. I'll wait until somebody uploads the entirety of the kingpin scenes on YouTube this week and then read a synopsis. I actually think Hawkeye is one of the best of their D+ shows but a show about characters I never liked anyways, and don't care about Echo enough after seeing that to spend a couple hours on this.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Post credits scene: Kingpin's flying back to New York after getting BTFO by Echo, her cousin and her grandma (it makes sense in context). He has the news on in the background and it mentions how NYC's mayoral elections are ongoing and there's still time for an upset. A "bare knuckled brawler" is what New York needs, apparently. Wilson seems very intrigued by this.

Was him saying "I'll make New York great again" too subtle?

 

[Sniperwoof]

Was him saying "I'll make New York great again" too subtle?

Does he actually say that? Lmao what absolute safe edgy hacks.

I'll bet they masturbated to how brilliant and cutting edge that quip was and how they owned all the heckin Chuds.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

I imagine this will be another Rorschach/Ken (assuming anyone even gives a shit enough to watch these garbage shows) where the "bad guy" is much more likeable, understandable and sympathetic than the "hero."

How dare the evil fucking Kingpin want people to keep the money they earn and not subsidize a bunch of third world savages streaming into NY and stinking up the place.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Does he actually say that? Lmao what absolute safe edgy hacks.

I'll bet they masturbated to how brilliant and cutting edge that quip was and how they owned all the heckin Chuds.

Why do they do this? I guess they don't interact with people outside their own echo chambers, because you know perfectly well in about a day or so they'll be claiming "MAGAs" are "outraged" by Echo.
No, we're not all MAGAs, and comment sections the internet over will be claiming victory over non-existent people getting mad about it. The rest of us are just tired of Hollywood talking down to us and inserting their view of reality into entertainment.
"Bad person says 'Make _____ great again!', because bad person in real life said 'Make America great again!', isn't that fun and owns people?"

No, because the people that even care don't even watch Marvel shit, because they know it's for fucking children that write fucking childish "owns" like this.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Does he actually say that? Lmao what absolute safe edgy hacks.

I'll bet they masturbated to how brilliant and cutting edge that quip was and how they owned all the heckin Chuds.

Probably not, I was joking that it's a pretty blatant setup for a "topical" Trump allegory. Considering Marvel did the same thing with Red Mask, and I think the PS4 game had Kingpin's tower be the same place as Trump's tower

 

[starborn427614]

Does he actually say that? Lmao what absolute safe edgy hacks.

I'll bet they masturbated to how brilliant and cutting edge that quip was and how they owned all the heckin Chuds.

Nah he doesn't say anything that retarded. There is, funnily enough, a sign in the roller rink in Echo's home town that says "Make America Skate Again" which I thought was mildly funny.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Needed to be at least six-seven episodes long instead of five.

So it's like the exact opposite of the Netflix shows? lmao

 

[Nick Obre]

Just finished it as well and, god dammit did they fuck up by hyping it up as the proper return of Daredevil, since yeah the leaked scene is the only time he's in it. By halfway episode 2 I got this sense of dread all over me, thinking "wait, what if that's all and the rest of the show is just... this, fucking around in this town", and yes that's exactly what it was.

There's exactly 2 decent fights in the whole thing, the Daredevil one, and the one at the skate place. There's almost nothing else in terms of action, and the only other notable action scene is at the end and it's FUCKING LAUGHABLE. Echo uses native woman magic to give her cousin and her grandma super punching powers and they take out some of Fisk's goons.

Also, about the length, yes it feels like it should have been longer. It's a strange situation because it was clearly cut to shit, tons of connective material must have been left on the cutting room floor, but also it feels padded as fuck, with all the repeated footage from Hawkeye, all the sequences with bits of native magic visions, and so on. The last episode was egregious in how much time of its short runtime it spent on showing the Native American dances -in slowmo- at the Powwow.

Echo is a bitch throughout the whole show, alternating between blaming everyone for leaving her alone after her mother died (they didn't, she was with her dad) and telling everyone she didn't want anything to do with anyone and that's why she didn't respond to their messages for 20 FUCKING YEARS.

I'll say tho, Skate place guy was great, Grandpa was lovely, and Biscuit the retarded retard was delightful. In the last episode for a moment I thought he'd get hurt and I was ready to go assassinate Kevin Feige. And Fisk remains as much of a wonderful rage autist as ever.
But there was that line, something like "there's not been a moment in all these years that I haven't loved you like a daughter".
I don't know, Willie, I can remember 3 whole fucking seasons where she didn't seem to exist for you, it was all WESLEY and VANESSA and no one else for you.

Also can anyone who's good with Native American history help me out here, there was that part where they showed the tribe competing in some sport in Alabama in the year 1200, and there were these halfway pyramids and buildings and things that really looked to me more like what you'd expect from the Aztecs or Mayans. There was even one of those... I don't know what to call it, you know in medieval movies and shows when they show the Jousting competitions and there's a tall platform where the nobles sit to watch? One of those.
Maybe my concept of Native American architecture is just ignorant but it doesn't feel like there should be that kind of buildings in 1200 AD Alabama.
Also, was the sport they were playing real? And did they use it to determine land ownership? ("the tribe that loses is banished from this land forever")
Also, there were a lot of morbidly obese Native Americans in that scene. Were they that fucking fat in 1200 AD? Or they just couldn't find enough Native American extras that weren't fucking hamplanets?
Also, why the fuck is there an European in there? Looks like he could be a Spaniard, but how the fuck is he there almost 300 years before Columbus? Not even if he was a Viking would that work, because they were there (and it was in Canada, at that, not Alabama) like 200 years before the time of this scene.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I don’t know anything about Echo but I know a few MCU fanboys are making up a conspiracy theory that Martin Scorsese loved it so much when it was on the cutting room floor that he ripped off the movie for Killers of the Flower Moon.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's not even just capeshit fatigue. It's franchise fatigue and it's IP fatigue.

Im going to be quite honest about an aspect not many people are talking about.

Disney is bleeding favoritism FAST. People are constantly celebrating their Ls and even their simps are starting to reach a point where they much rather stay quiet than to pointlessly defend something even they deep down know its garbage.

An example of this is the movie "Wish" and how it flopped. Now, I wont get into the specifics as to why but many say this is a flop that Disney deserved to suffer through. The biggest defenders of "Wish" is that its "not so bad" or "just ok", I dont see people saying this is their finest not even for the standards of the current era. Doesnt help that their constant butchering of many beloved properties, near inhumane working conditions, getting involved in petty politics with fucking Florida are all building up a cultural resentment towards this company.

Disney Plus's numbers are concerningly low despite their large library, implying people much rather either pirate the content, find it somewhere else or just not watch it at all.

There is a reason why people are loving humiliate and tear Mickey Mouse apart now that he is "technically" public domain now. Its, in a way, their "fuck you" to Disney for all I mentioned and much more (didnt even mention their ludicrous prices for their parks).

Echo is a bitch throughout the whole show, alternating between blaming everyone for leaving her alone after her mother died (they didn't, she was with her dad) and telling everyone she didn't want anything to do with anyone and that's why she didn't respond to their messages for 20 FUCKING YEARS.

And Im very sure the story portrays her as the victim/good guy. Sounds par for the course for the M-SHE-U at this point.

Also can anyone who's good with Native American history help me out here, there was that part where they showed the tribe competing in some sport in Alabama in the year 1200, and there were these halfway pyramids and buildings and things that really looked to me more like what you'd expect from the Aztecs or Mayans. There was even one of those... I don't know what to call it, you know in medieval movies and shows when they show the Jousting competitions and there's a tall platform where the nobles sit to watch? One of those.
Maybe my concept of Native American architecture is just ignorant but it doesn't feel like there should be that kind of buildings in 1200 AD Alabama.

They know their target audience thinks native americans, aztecs, mayans are all the same (and yet cry racism when a white guy voicing a POC).

It just has to look vaguely native american to check the representation check marks.

Also, was the sport they were playing real? And did they use it to determine land ownership? ("the tribe that loses is banished from this land forever")

And about the land ownership part, Im very fucking sure that they would rather go to war over being banished over a fucking "sports event".

Also, there were a lot of morbidly obese Native Americans in that scene. Were they that fucking fat in 1200 AD? Or they just couldn't find enough Native American extras that weren't fucking hamplanets?

("the tribe that loses is eaten")

Sounds more like native americans now

Also, why the fuck is there an European in there? Looks like he could be a Spaniard, but how the fuck is he there almost 300 years before Columbus? Not even if he was a Viking would that work, because they were there (and it was in Canada, at that, not Alabama) like 200 years before the time of this scene.

Picture this *lights up joint*

You are watching a fucking MCU show on Disney fucking Plus, I must assume you have nothing else better to do, like, literally nothing. And then you begin to question the historical accuracy of a series about a deaf disabled tiny native american descent woman that can somehow defeat men twice her size that involves native american magic or something (which is vaguely racist I'd assume, for leftist standards anyway). And then you come here and talk as if its shocking that these writers may or may not have given a shit when writing this capeshit slop fest meant for niggercattle?

Sounds mindblowing to me

 

[UCT]

Worst thing about Echo and Hawkeye is that it brought in a really cool, threatening version of the Kingpin only for him to be turned into a bitch that gets beaten by a little girl and a disabled plank of wood.... Thanks Disney very cool, I'm sure that Dare Devil show isnt going to suck mega dicks.

 

[Nick Obre]

You are watching a fucking MCU show on Disney fucking Plus, I must assume you have nothing else better to do, like, literally nothing. And then you begin to question the historical accuracy of a series about a deaf disabled tiny native american descent woman that can somehow defeat men twice her size that involves native american magic or something (which is vaguely racist I'd assume, for leftist standards anyway). And then you come here and talk as if its shocking that these writers may or may not have given a shit when writing this capeshit slop fest meant for niggercattle?

Sounds mindblowing to me

it's more of a "the closer I look at it the worse it gets" case.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Out of curiosity I look at the trailer for Echo and it has a tagline of "No bad deed goes unpunished" which is just retarded. Like they too the original saying and removed anything of value out of it. Besides that I had no idea what the fuck was happening, what are echo's power besides looking ugly and looking sad. She is apparently deaf but I doubt she talks like actual deaf people with bad tone management, since that would make people feel uneasy.

 

[Calandrino]

Also, was the sport they were playing real? And did they use it to determine land ownership? ("the tribe that loses is banished from this land forever")

Here you go chud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_North_American_stickball

The historical game played a huge role in the peace kept between tribes who played it. The game was not only used as a way to settle disputes and grievances among the many tribes but was also played to toughen young warriors for combat, for recreation, as part of festivals, and for the bets involved. Often before the game was even played terms would be set and agreed upon and the losing team would have no choice but to accept the outcome. If a tribe did not accept the terms of the game, the dispute often would end in battle.[8]