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Overly Serious said:
One thing that I really liked in the show - and it's a really tiny thing but it captures a lot of the mindset of it - is that when Kamala goes from being this intimidated, bullied outsider girl to newly confident, it doesn't become the usual Leftist revenge fantasy. Instead she starts getting on with the others and realises a lot of how she was treated was just her thinking others were picking on her without realising it was just, you know, normal teenage jostling
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starborn427614 said:
Imagine being Kevin Feige and getting clowned on by both the media and your actors.

(Source: https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1724238123679281164)
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I honestly feel bad for Kamala Khan and her actress Iman Vellani. Of the three “marvels” she is genuinely the best character, and the one that had the most potential.

In theory an actress that is genuinely geeky enough to be a marvel fan (or at least Disney is making a good PR job making her sell the illusion), and a character, that is Ms marvel, as an avengers fan girl that likes Marvel, and the avengers, like real fans, should have also been a winning formula.

I haven’t watched the tv show, but I am guessing, most people , like me, were put off because it seemed like yet another wokeshit lecture (Muslim teenager as main character raises a lot of ”virtue signaling” red flags ). There was an high chance she would be another insufferable arrogant character like Cassie Lang.

Her being tied to, and choosing to fangirl one of the most unlikeable heroes in both comics and the MCU didn’t help.

It’s a real shame because by the sound of it, she is actually the first non girl boss teenage in the MCU. At least she had flaws and a story arch. But I don’t blame anyone fed up with woke shit not giving her a chance either. Sounds like she lost due to guilt by association
 
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Endgame really was where a lot of people tapped out of the MCU. And on Superhero fatigue: It's a thing but people do weird mental gymnastics to cope. Genre fatigue doesn't mean it dies out and is never made again. It also doesn't happen immediately overnight. Musicals and Westerns are still around, but they no longer have the stronghold on Hollywood like in the 40s or 50s. Even a decade ago, shitty or sub-par capeshit like the first Ant Man, Man of Steel or Suicide Squad could easily make over 500M at the box office. That's how strong the genre was. But the hype and momentum isn't there anymore. And I think we're seeing that the MCU is being driven primarily by the hardcore fanbase now, hence the trend in big opening weekends and subsequent "record breaking" drops.

It would also be stupid to deny that there aren't a growing number of people, especially casual audiences, who are tired of Marvel/superheroes in general. This doesn't mean that there aren't any diehard MCU fans left, but trends change and no one stays on top forever. For now, the expections of a superhero film making more than 1 billion being almost guaranteed are past us, and I think the only possible 1B+ are another Avengers film or a decent X-Men MCU film.
 
With all the talk about MCU and diversity, it's interesting to see how much of an anomaly Black Panther in terms of "representation", especially since niggers love saying that they're not the same. Also, something praised by the African-American community may not be translate to others in the African diaspora. Almost like many do not care about being "represented" 24/7.

1. Captain Marvel was supposed to be their Wonder Woman, but women don't give a fuck about her. Both of her movies have been male-dominated. Both of her movies had roughly 65% of their audience being male. And the latter put extra emphasis on diverse girl power lol. The first Wonder Woman movie is one of the only superhero films to ever achieve a notably majority female turnout, but that's because she's been a feminist icon in American pop culture for 80+ years. At least releasing a Black Widow movie back in 2015 or 2016 would've been better.

2. Shang Chi was supposed to be about "Asian representation", and they were hoping for a Black Panther-like effect, but that didn't pan out. China once said Awkwafina was ugly and not a real Chinese, just a foreigner (regardless of Chinese ancestry). They had similar feelings about Shang Chi. Americans might lump all Azns together as one "race", but Azns do not see themselves as a singular "race". Just look at the race riots in Singapore. A Chink/Chink-American means nothing to a Jap or other Orientals. Same goes for the other/darker Asiatics, like the Pajeets, Pakis, Filipinos, Afghans, Persians, Central Asians, etc. Many of whom, unlike the East Asians, are "Brown" to Westerners. And this isn't getting into the (((media))) combining "Asia-Pacific" together.

3. Speaking of which, the Brown superheroes they also tried introducing did not go that well. Kamala was seen as a plus for Paki/Muzzie "representation", but even they pissed off some Pakis because much of her family was played by Pajeets. Then in 2022, we got American Chavez, who was supposed to be represent beaner lesbians but ironically, wasn't even an actual Beaner. Her character was a humanid alien from an alternate dimension. The Wiki indicates they have since retconned her origins, and now she's actually from New York and presumably born to an actual spic family.

And this isn't dwelling into the Eternals and all the other girl boss characters that were made in an attempt to get women into what has historically been, and may always will be, a male-dominated audience.

These are old posts from the ResetEra (?) forums, but Shang Chi was likely not profitable during its BO run. It had a budget of 150-200M (which could be higher and we don't know how much marketing costs) and made only 430M, and I don't see any Chinese box office numbers on BOM (not that it would've mattered). Also, the GA doesn't care about the diverse characters, and bringing back the "non-diverse" OG Avengers in a decent film would probably be a lot more successful that a "decent" Kamala Khan film.
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SecretMagicalGirl said:
I haven’t watched the tv show, but I am guessing, most people , like me, were put off because it seemed like yet another wokeshit lecture (Muslim teenager as maiv character raises a lot of ”virtue signaling” red flags ). There was an high chance she would be another insufferable arrogant character like Cassie Lang.
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There's some of it, mostly from other characters (though in fact, it's wokeshit aimed towards the muslim shit, like a girl running for an election, I think it was for administrator of the local mosque or something, much to the dismay of the old muslim men).

The main issue with the show is that it's very aimed for a teenage demographic, and that the villains are very, very boring. Somehow they managed to take the same concept as the shitty Leaders of the Hand from Defenders, and make them even lamer.

Also there's a school counselor character who set off every alarm on my pedo-groomer radar
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How To Kill a Superhero - Hollywood embraces a desperate strategy—canceling franchise films before they're released

Back then, Disney was bragging to shareholders that another 20 Marvel films were already in the pipeline. And that was just a start. CEO Bob Iger explained that Disney owned the rights to 7,000 different Marvel characters—implying that brand franchises could propagate forever, like copulating Australian bunnies.

That was the party line in Burbank. But most of the people I spoke to that day privately expressed doubts about this formula-driven strategy. They hoped to enjoy a few more years of boom times, but worried about what would happen next.

As it turned out, they were right to worry. But a virus, not a superhero, let them down. The first COVID case happened almost exactly three years after my December 2016 talk.

But it now looks like the pandemic merely delayed the creative collapse.

Hollywood has saturated the market with look-alike movies. Their pipeline of films is now exploding like the Nord Stream, but with this difference—studios are still sitting on a huge pile of future bombs.

And what does a studio do with a bomb on its hands?

They have four options—and they are four kinds of ugly

  1. You delay the film, hoping for a better market environment in the future.
  2. You send it back for rewriting and more filming
  3. You cancel it entirely, and write off the investment
  4. You release it—sinking another $50 million, more or less, into marketing—and then watch it collapse at the box office.
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Walt Disney may have built his company on creativity, but his successors have replaced it with an empire based entirely on brand extensions. These are now crumbling.

It takes a special kind of stupid to kill off Indiana Jones or Toy Story or a Marvel superhero, but that’s exactly what’s playing out right now in the Magic Kingdom.
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Lucille Bluth said:
3. Speaking of which, the Brown superheroes they also tried introducing did not go that well. I think Kamala was seen as a plus for Paki/Muzzie "representation", but even they pissed some Pakis because IIRC, much of her family was played by Pajeets. And a lot of people I've seen think she's annoying. Then there's American Chavez, who was supposed to be a plus for beaner lesbians but ironically, wasn't even an actual Beaner. Her character was a humanid alien from an alternate dimension. The Wiki indicates they have since retconned her origins, and now she's actually from New York and persumably born to an actual spic family.
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You also forgot about Namor (not that I blame you for that) another beaner character introduced solely to appeal to certain demographics only to be forgotten about immediately after his first film.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Being a teenager in the MCU is pretty horrific when you think about it. Even without the snap, that probably fucked you mentally no matter whether you were snapped or not, you basically live in a world where you are essentially powerless to multitude of threats and dependent on heroes to save you and never decide that they are above the law (which, they have done repeatedly). What is even the point of Democracy in the MCU? If any hero decides he has any social point he wants to pass then the government is essentially useless in preventing it. If the Avengers decide to topple a country they'll do it.

I can't even imagine how the heroes would be seen by the public, probably like a dog that you want to appease 24/7 because he would bite your head otherwise. A teenager worshipping a hero would be like a sociopath rather than quirky nerd.
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Isn't this basically the plot of The Boys?
 
Nick Obre said:
There's some of it, mostly from other characters (though in fact, it's wokeshit aimed towards the muslim shit, like a girl running for an election, I think it was for administrator of the local mosque or something, much to the dismay of the old muslim men).

The main issue with the show is that it's very aimed for a teenage demographic, and that the villains are very, very boring. Somehow they managed to take the same concept as the shitty Leaders of the Hand from Defenders, and make them even lamer.

Also there's a school counselor character who set off every alarm on my pedo-groomer radar
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Not surprised to be honest.

Just to be clear what I am saying is that the idea of Ms. marvel isn’t that bad, and she is definitively the most interesting of the three. Monica Rambeau’s character is non-existent (her most relevant role was just being shoehorned into Wandavision) , and Brie Larson’s character is flat, unlikeable, and overpowered. So a teenage girl with flaws, an actual personality, is a massive improvement from the other two. She is the most likeable of “The marvels”.

But, that’s not to say the actual execution is good. All I am saying it’s that this might’ve worked, and that I am not necessarily against the concept of a geeky fan girl becoming a superhero. If anything, I actually like the idea.

But, I am well aware Ms Marvel, is a massive failure. At the end of the day theres a reason every time Marvel has tried to push Kamala they have failed hard. Nobody cares about her. Be it in comics, in that avengers game, in a tv show, and in a big budget movie.

I can‘t blame the Teenage girl dem too much either, as they too don’t care her either. They too have standards. Maybe if they haven’t leaned too hard on wokeshit, and virtue signaling she could’ve worked. Maybe if her Disney + series had actually been good people would be more invested in her. But as it stands she is, indeed, a massive failure.
 
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The more you think about it the more messed up the MCU's world is.
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Also, Stark Industries is basically like Edison's power company where they make ALL their technology proprietary so no one can make cheaper alternatives. The result is that Earth--outside of government entities--hasn't really advanced technologically despite having access to Arc energy and the Iron Legion. Robotics hasn't taken off in MCU Earth despite everyone agreeing robots are useful, cool, and can be mass produced. Ultron is more of a problem with AI programming rather than the body itself and is certainly no excuse to get rid of dumb robots doing basic police work. Humanity in the MCU have the means to become a spacefaring civilization, but doesn't because all the organizations, legal and illegal, keep trying to wipe each other out of existence.

Which is why I call Earth the Afghanistan of the Galaxy. All these superheroes really are a threat to galactic civilizations when they escape containment.
 
NotJewishWario said:
"Why gloat over failure?"

Aside from the fact I doubt he has never gloated over failure before or after (particularly involving political opposition), does he not understand this is the only way for things people don't like to change? Actually scratch that, he knows. Artists today are just total pussys and will never call out anyone for making shit art because they may hurt some feelings and lose connections (although King is well established and doesn't need any connections). Even Kojima despite making it real obvious with his posts can't even find the guts to say he thought The Marvels sucked. I wish artists called each other out like this nowadays.

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Man, Orson Welles was a whiny drunken fag.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Also, Stark Industries is basically like Edison's power company where they make ALL their technology proprietary so no one can make cheaper alternatives. The result is that Earth--outside of government entities--hasn't really advanced technologically despite having access to Arc energy and the Iron Legion. Robotics hasn't taken off in MCU Earth despite everyone agreeing robots are useful, cool, and can be mass produced. Ultron is more of a problem with AI programming rather than the body itself and is certainly no excuse to get rid of dumb robots doing basic police work. Humanity in the MCU have the means to become a spacefaring civilization, but doesn't because all the organizations, legal and illegal, keep trying to wipe each other out of existence.

Which is why I call Earth the Afghanistan of the Galaxy. All these superheroes really are a threat to galactic civilizations when they escape containment.
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This is why I'm adamant that the MCU should have mostly remained "Realistic" Fantasy instead of ridiculous Comic Book "Magic" fantasy. Because now they're at a crossroads where Earth should be highly advanced sci-fi but it's not because that stuff costs money and the MCU's movies kill a lot of time by just having filler scenes where the characters hang around a building and talk about French Presses and Shawarma.

Watch the first Iron Man, it's a very down to earth movie. For Tony to suit up he needs a micro car factory to assemble the pieces. He's not fighting the supernatural, nothing more than terrorists and then a bald Jeff Bridges in his own robotic suit.
Like yes something like the Iron Man suit could never happen in real life for many obvious reasons. But you suspend your disbelief and play along with the fantasy. Jon Favreau knew what he was doing at the helm, he knew how to interweave fantasy with down to earth comedy scenes. Watch "Elf" it's a great movie and shows how a good storyteller can blend cartoony with real life scenes. In the opening to Elf our hero Buddy is in the North Pole interacting with the stop motion cartoon characters from Rankin-Bass Christmas specials and then he goes to New York which really feels like they just had Will Ferrall goofing around in Manhattan.
That takes skill to balance childlike fantasy with normal comedy. To make it a cohesive product you have to be talented.
 
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Homer J. Fong said:
Watch the first Iron Man, it's a very down to earth movie. For Tony to suit up he needs a micro car factory to assemble the pieces. He's not fighting the supernatural, nothing more than terrorists and then a bald Jeff Bridges in his own robotic suit.
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Iron Man 1 (followed by 2, and bits of 3 & The Avengers) are my favorite Marvel flicks because of what you've discussed regarding at least a superficial attempt at groundedness, but for me they're additionally enjoyable because Iron Man feels like a (small) mecha: to me the logistics were part of Iron Man's identity, and as soon as the suit became functionally indistinguishable from the spandex worn by heroes with innate abilities, he lost all his magic.

Even if Iron Man flouts physical law, there should still be an effort to portray the suit as a machine in function as well as form, a thing that needs maintenance and manufacture, and that can experience mechanical failure as opposed to "organic" fatigue.
 
I know Marvel is utterly terrified of offending online feminist rags and baglady critics but the boob and butt patches on the female suits look fucking stupid, get rid of them.
 
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The cope is out there:
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The Marvel subreddit has people posting literal "And then everyone stood up and CLAPPED at the end" totally true stories.
 
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