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SecretMagicalGirl said:
I haven’t watched the tv show, but I am guessing, most people , like me, were put off because it seemed like yet another wokeshit lecture (Muslim teenager as main character raises a lot of ”virtue signaling” red flags ). There was an high chance she would be another insufferable arrogant character like Cassie Lang.
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She's really good. Definitely one of the least smug leads in the MCU without being unfeasibly humble or obnoxious about it. The worst you can say about her really is that she's a bit clueless around other people. And when she has to walk out over a street high in the air the actress looks very convincingly terrified. I know I'm going to bat a lot for the show in this thread, but in a sea of frankly pretty terrible MCU spin-off shows, Ms. Marvel was for me by far the most actual fun and uplifting.

Nick Obre said:
The main issue with the show is that it's very aimed for a teenage demographic, and that the villains are very, very boring. Somehow they managed to take the same concept as the shitty Leaders of the Hand from Defenders, and make them even lamer.
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You know I was about to say that the damage control agents weren't that bad, when I realised you meant the main villains who I had honestly forgotten about. So I guess that proves your point.

Most of the tension in the show comes from Kamala's development and life fwiw. The low-key nature of the show is part of its charm for me. But that ties in very much with what you say which is that it's more of a teenager show. I enjoyed it, though.
Homer J. Fong said:
Like yes something like the Iron Man suit could never happen in real life for many obvious reasons. But you suspend your disbelief and play along with the fantasy. Jon Favreau knew what he was doing at the helm, he knew how to interweave fantasy with down to earth comedy scenes.
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Very much this. But related observation, none of the Iron Man films were really about saving the Earth. Warmongering arms manufacturers, saving lives and freedom. But more saving the Earth adjacent at most. That more relatable element was part of the charm, too. Antman had that as well when it came out - low key, personal relationship at the heart of it. Likeable believable lead. Cute relationship with his daughter (which I hear they ruined in the third movie). It was less believable than the Iron Man suit but still had this in common with it.

EDIT: Gah - messed up my quoting and missed my reply to you, @SecretMagicalGirl . Fixed!
 
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Am I the only one who thought Mrs. Marvel was the girl in the last Doctor Strange film? It just seemed more logical to me than having 2 tv based characters in a film.
 

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Am I the only one who thought Mrs. Marvel was the girl in the last Doctor Strange film? It just seemed more logical to me than having 2 tv based characters in a film.
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You mean America Chavez? I can see why. Their powersets seem similar-ish and both actresses kind of look alike (both brown and around the same height).
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Anyways, I hope the rumours of the Kang Dynasty being scrapped are true. I wanna see where the MCU will go and how further they'll fuck up.
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Overly Serious said:
fwiw. The low-key nature of the show is part of its charm for me. But that ties in very much with what you say which is that it's more of a teenager show. I enjoyed it, though.
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In theory there’s nothing inherently wrong with writing a superhero show whose primary target is teenage girls. You just can’t spend $350 million making and marketing it and expect to actually make a profit on such a niche target demographic.

Even if it’s good (and I have no reason to disbelieve you that it is), the reality is that there just aren’t a lot of teenage girls interested in capeshit, while the fact that it’s made to appeal to teenage girls is inherently going to alienate the typical capeshit demographic of boys and men.
 
I saw the first hour before deleting the torrent. The first warning sign should have been that this is the shortest MCU movie clocking in at an hour and 45 minutes. Minus credits and it's just over 90. The movie is retarded. It feels like a Nickelodeon live action show with way too much money put into CGI. Nothing makes any sense. Nothing is really established. Every character is incredibly unlikable. Complete shitshow of a movie.
 
Gar For Archer said:
In theory there’s nothing inherently wrong with writing a superhero show whose primary target is teenage girls. You just can’t spend $350 million making and marketing it and expect to actually make a profit on such a niche target demographic.

Even if it’s good (and I have no reason to disbelieve you that it is), the reality is that there just aren’t a lot of teenage girls interested in capeshit, while the fact that it’s made to appeal to teenage girls is inherently going to alienate the typical capeshit demographic of boys and men.
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It's a stereotype, but I have to wonder how many woman actually want to see woman in action roles. The Marvels provides a lot of evidence for that number being pretty low. Ms. Marvel at least has humour, family dynamics and romance to fall back on.
 
starborn427614 said:
It's a stereotype, but I have to wonder how many woman actually want to see woman in action roles.
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If there’s one thing Women hate, it’s seeing other Women succeed, or god forbid work together. It’s why the WNBA is in a constant nosedive while theres god only knows how many Real Housewives spinoffs.

Marvel banking on Women to come out to watch an all Women Superhero Team-Up was doomed from the start.
 
Calandrino said:
Is there any hope that China will start making movies pandering to us? I would expect Chinese blockbusters to be less communist and anti-white than the average Hollywood movie.
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It won't get any backers in the US. Because China likes attractive Chinese or White people. And the themes are Heroes Journey, Heterosexual Romance, or Coming of Age. And the war movies typically place the Japanese or US as the enemy.
 
Gar For Archer said:
In theory there’s nothing inherently wrong with writing a superhero show whose primary target is teenage girls. You just can’t spend $350 million making and marketing it and expect to actually make a profit on such a niche target demographic.
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I mean, DC has primarily garnered success from a predominantly female base for about a decade now. Those CW shows and the adjacent ones like Titans and Gotham had a very strong following. Even the animations like the direct to DVD Titans and Batman films have large girl fandoms. One can also mention the new Superman cartoon which is full blown Tumblr women fandom and seems to be decently successful.

starborn427614 said:
It's a stereotype, but I have to wonder how many woman actually want to see woman in action roles. The Marvels provides a lot of evidence for that number being pretty low. Ms. Marvel at least has humour, family dynamics and romance to fall back on.
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They like women in action roles, but you cannot make that the sole thing. I mention DC works above, but the reason for the fanbases is less female superhero and more the stuff around it. DC knows that for these females to be successful, they need shipping bait and a strong cast.

Batman does well as the whole Bat-family concept is loved by women. Seeing Batman as a father to his sons, a lover to Catwoman/Talia, while also maintaining the brooding loner gives him appeal. Then seeing all the Robins, Batgirl, Batwoman, and the rest interacting just adds.

Teen Titans/Young Justice is a teen drama cast with super powers. It includes the usual teen issues like fitting in, dating and general maturity mixed in with super heroics. Helps that Knightwing and other male characters are typically made to be attractive or funny.

Really, take any of DC’s more popular females besides Wonder Woman and most are not liked for fighting. Harley & Ivy have aesthetic appeal, Raven is the social outcast self-insert, and Artemis, Barbara, Starfire, Lois Lane and Catwoman have shipping appeal.
 
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Lucille Bluth said:
You mean America Chavez? I can see why. Their powersets seem similar-ish and both actresses kind of look alike (both brown and around the same height).
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They look exactly the same - Amerimutt. The fact they are supposedly different ethnicities is like a parody of the media obsession with race that boils down to ugly brown abominations like that.
 
starborn427614 said:
It's a stereotype, but I have to wonder how many woman actually want to see woman in action roles.
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Exact same amount of women that go out to support the girls in sportsball.
Basic Blond Boy said:
I mean, DC has primarily garnered success from a predominantly female base for about a decade now. Those CW shows and the adjacent ones like Titans and Gotham had a very strong following. Even the animations like the direct to DVD Titans and Batman films have large girl fandoms. One can also mention the new Superman cartoon which is full blown Tumblr women fandom and seems to be decently successful.
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Gonna need some receipts on that chief. Also, some absolute numbers as well, that for example the new Superman manages to end up with 60% female audience doesn't mean that much of it's general audience is niche anyway. Also, we are in the age of "I'm totes a girl" which is bumping up those metrics for sure.
Basic Blond Boy said:
Really, take any of DC’s more popular females besides Wonder Woman and most are not liked for fighting. Harley & Ivy have aesthetic appeal, Raven is the social outcast self-insert, and Artemis, Barbara, Starfire, Lois Lane and Catwoman have shipping appeal.
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You are enumerating characters they like to cosplay, pretty big difference to me between liking to cosplay as Raven, Poison Ivy or Starfire and watching everything related to the Teen Titans or buying comics about any of it or actually going to a movie theater to watch it. Wonder Woman was the closest one you will get ladies marching in at good numbers, Harley Quinn is another cosplay darling yet I don't remember anything particularly impressive from her movie metrics when her movie released.

I do agree with you that if you want to appeal to a female demographic you need some drama, romance and that sort of stuff, but you also need to breach past the "action focused premise" that surrounds it that for every girl that is all in on it, there are other 2 just bored by it (and the less action you do and more focus on the drama/romance, the more dudes you also lose out on). Or you pander to Fujos, but that's the point you sell your soul fully to satan.
 
I saw the Marvels tonight. It was middling -- definitely better than the first Captain Marvel film, though that isn't saying much. Also better than most of phase four and five, though only like three have been particularly good.

- The Aladana section (singing water world) was dumb and gay. You could also tell it was obviously meant to be a much bigger part of the film, both because the pacing for that part is noticeably awful and because how obvious it is that scenes were cut.
- Brie Larson is less wooden and more emotive this time but still doesn't really fit as a lead in a superhero movie. They also can't seem to settle on a personality for Carol Danvers; her characterization is all over the place. Sometimes she's a serious soldier willing to make sacrifices, other times she's a brash hothead, and other times still she's a Peter Quill-esque goofball. I don't mean this in a "she's a well fleshed out, multi-faceted character" way but rather in an inconsistent way where it feels like different writers wrote her character for different scenes and never communicated.

- Iman Vellani is definitely the backbone of the movie. They sometimes write Kamala a bit obnoxiously but the film would have been a lot worse with out her.
- Monica Rambeau was... there, too, I guess. Outside of holding a grudge against Danvers for never visiting her, Rambeau doesn't have much of a personality beyond "black science girl who delivers the nonsensical exposition." The actress is fine, but she's definitely the third wheel here. I imagine the movie probably would have been better without her, as some sort of buddy space cop comedy with Carol and Kamala.
- The fight scenes utilizing the teleporting/switching stuff is at the very least creative but the editing really lets them down. Speaking of this, they never really clarify why exactly they're switching or connected beyond "um, your powers are kinda the same? so, uh... yeah, that's it."

- The background for the plot is kinda interesting: Danvers killed the Kree Supreme Intelligence which fucked over the Kree and led to their world dying, so now they want revenge while they attempt to save their planet. Unfortunately, the main plot of the Kree chick stealing atmospheres and resources from planets is retarded and undercooked. It's also another fault of Danver's characterization: she never seems more than slightly disappointed in herself that she fucked over an entire race of people.
- The ending is shit. Monica just suddenly knows how to fix the problem.

Between the mid-credit scene with this, Loki becoming the god of time, and the focus on the multiverse stuff I'm assuming they're going to introduce the X-Men and possibly the Fantastic Four by merging timelines at the end of this phase.

EDIT: oh, and outside of me and my friends, there were like four other people at the showing
 
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Lucille Bluth said:
You mean America Chavez? I can see why. Their powersets seem similar-ish and both actresses kind of look alike (both brown and around the same height).
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Anyways, I hope the rumours of the Kang Dynasty being scrapped are true. I wanna see where the MCU will go and how further they'll fuck up.
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Unironically miss her. She has the best stupid diversity name that makes me laugh and she's the only woke superhero that actually is kinda funny and appealing in a so bad its good kind of way.

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