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Sergeant Major Buzzkill said:
At this point, is it worth it for a newbie like me to get into Marvel comics?

I’ve picked up a few others from DC but only really popular and critically acclaimed works like Batman’s The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween (was reading that one recently and almost through with it), Alan Moore’s Watchmen and V for Vendetta, and Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman.

Are there any rivals the quality of these?
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With comics there are basically like 20 really good self contained stories and maybe 50 good enough partial series and that's it.
 
Sergeant Major Buzzkill said:
At this point, is it worth it for a newbie like me to get into Marvel comics?

I’ve picked up a few others from DC but only really popular and critically acclaimed works like Batman’s The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween (was reading that one recently and almost through with it), Alan Moore’s Watchmen and V for Vendetta, and Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman.

Are there any rivals the quality of these?
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Just pick specific runs of specific books by specific writers.

I'll say:
Morrison's New X-Men
Wheddon's (yes, Wheddon) Astonishing X-Men
JMS's Thor
Ellis' Thunderbolts
Hickman's Fantastic Four, F4, New Warriors, SHIELD. I also generally enjoy his overall Avengers and X-Men eras, with their events included, but I know that's controversial.
Remender's Uncanny X-Force, Uncanny Avengers, Secret Avengers, Captain America, Venom. AXIS sucked, though.
The whole Annihilation Cosmic Marvel era: Annihilation, Annihilation Conquest, War of Kings, Realm of Kings, and Thanos Imperative, including the ongoing books that ran across them like Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy (the first book of the current incarnation).

As for standalone, non-continuity things, they don't have that much. The one that comes to mind is Silver Surfer: Requiem, but I'm sure I'm forgetting some things. There's Earth X and its sequels, which are kind of like Marvel's Kingdom Come, but I'm not super sure how I feel about them nowadays, it's been a long time since I read them.
 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
This director really is dedicated to eating his own foot, isn’t he?

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All these Marvel producers/directors are nepobaby diversity hires that have never been told they are hack frauds so its absolute malding time whenever an audience has the temerity to tell them they in fact suck.
 
TBF, there was never going to be a good use of Skrulls regardless. As a function of their story-telling, they exist to retcon previous work that was never intended to be retconned. So it turns all the good MCU movies into Jenga towers and it makes those movies not make sense in addition to this show.

A relatively good use of shape changers retconning previous episodes is the Battlestar Galactica remake, at least at first. Why? Because they planned for it as best as they could have given the circumstances and it was mostly the same staff throughout that particular production. That was never the case of the MCU.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
TBF, there was never going to be a good use of Skrulls regardless. As a function of their story-telling, they exist to retcon previous work that was never intended to be retconned. So it turns all the good MCU movies into Jenga towers and it makes those movies not make sense in addition to this show.

A relatively good use of shape changers retconning previous episodes is the Battlestar Galactica remake, at least at first. Why? Because they planned for it as best as they could have given the circumstances and it was mostly the same staff throughout that particular production. That was never the case of the MCU.
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In general a big issue with MCU and especially post Infinity War is the producers unwillingness to devote time to develop any plot line beyond the bare minimum. This creates multiple issues, the first is that supposedly big events have no impact since they barely have time to create supporting cast to be impacted, or have the next film show the fallout (which is usually ignored). The second is that by doing every film over a massively big event they burn out the source material they can use.

Early MCU made Hydra kinda feel important and had it build up. But no one gave a shit about the Skrulls to imply it or build it up.

Kinda Booner-esque when you think about it.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
This director really is dedicated to eating his own foot, isn’t he?

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Is it wrong that Marvel fans have made me hate the MCU? I used to legit not mind it, even like parts of it. But for something indistinguishable from FF and Michael Bay flicks; goofy fun at best and boring excrement at worst to be treated as these amazing pieces of culture and art is just irritating to me.

Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
All these Marvel producers/directors are nepobaby diversity hires that have never been told they are hack frauds so its absolute malding time whenever an audience has the temerity to tell them they in fact suck.
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To be fair, aren't these reylo types? I mean, it sounds like scum is afraid of scum?

Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
TBF, there was never going to be a good use of Skrulls regardless. As a function of their story-telling, they exist to retcon previous work that was never intended to be retconned. So it turns all the good MCU movies into Jenga towers and it makes those movies not make sense in addition to this show.

A relatively good use of shape changers retconning previous episodes is the Battlestar Galactica remake, at least at first. Why? Because they planned for it as best as they could have given the circumstances and it was mostly the same staff throughout that particular production. That was never the case of the MCU.
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They came from Captain Marvel. And they completely introduced them wrong.

The skrull and kree are essentially supposed to be the USSR and USA; except with different politics. They're galactic super powers. They boned the skrull, who are shape changing imperialists looking to take over earth strategically. Captain Marvel is supposed to be a Kree scientist who is studying Earth who becomes crossways with Skrull invaders. Not that the Kree are benevolent.

Ultimately, the compelling thing about the Kree and the Skrull is the human race caught in between and the extremely compelling story of an alien who sees value in humanity, sufficient to fight for their right to exist. In the course of that, he falls in love, becomes a hero, faces tragedy and triumph, and ultimately loses his life leaving a legacy.

Captain Marvel YassQueenslay was just about providing BrieCap with a bunch of meat puppets to demonstrate who powahful she was. The complete lack of humanity or humanist sentiment is painful and secret invasion had zero hope because of how anti-humanist, for lack of a better word the minds behind the MCU really are.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
In general a big issue with MCU and especially post Infinity War is the producers unwillingness to devote time to develop any plot line beyond the bare minimum. This creates multiple issues, the first is that supposedly big events have no impact since they barely have time to create supporting cast to be impacted, or have the next film show the fallout (which is usually ignored). The second is that by doing every film over a massively big event they burn out the source material they can use.

Early MCU made Hydra kinda feel important and had it build up. But no one gave a shit about the Skrulls to imply it or build it up.

Kinda Booner-esque when you think about it.
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It wasn't exactly devastating because they weren't prominent characters, but it was cool to see Sitwell, the bald SHIELD agent who was friends with Coulson turn out to be Hydra, as well as the Senator who wanted to take Tony's armors in IM2.
Canon or not (I say not), Agents of SHIELD also did a good job of it, by building things up so it seemed like May was a Hydra infiltrator, but it turned out to be Ward, who they'd been intentionally making endearing to the audience.

Which is to say, for a plot like that, you not only need to have reveals of OH SHIT SO AND SO IS A TRAITOR, you need to lay the groundwork in advance, set the characters up, maybe have some red herrings, not just take a character retrofit them into the role.
 
The trailer for Loki Season 2 has dropped:
If it wasn't for the weird interdimensional... self-cest? .... Season 1 of Loki was almost the most enjoyable / interesting post-Infinity War thing to come out of Marvel.

Majors is in the trailer twice, fucking Short Round is in it because Ke Huy Quan is in everything now, it looks like Miss Minutes is back, and of course, the two Loki's and whichever Wilson brother... Owen?

Usual Marvel trailer shit though, where it's a lot of flash bang, but when you watch the show, inevitably it will be different than the trailer.

They spent some money on effects for this one though, so I'll give them credit for that. Some of it looks fake, but not Black Panther fake.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
This director really is dedicated to eating his own foot, isn’t he?

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The 2014 style "IMMA GETTING DEATH THREATS N SHIT ON THE INTERNET!!!! YOU HAVE TO STOP CRITICIZING HOW SHIT I AM RIGHT FUCKING NOW OR YOU AM A NAZI!!!" mindset is always a perfect tell that a media retard can be safely ignored forever since they will 1000% never create anything worth a damn

See also that shitty obi-wan series and lawd dem rangz (of power)
 
Dixieland Buckaroo said:
The trailer for Loki Season 2 has dropped:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dug56u8NN7gIf it wasn't for the weird interdimensional... self-cest? .... Season 1 of Loki was almost the most enjoyable / interesting post-Infinity War thing to come out of Marvel.

Majors is in the trailer twice, fucking Short Round is in it because Ke Huy Quan is in everything now, it looks like Miss Minutes is back, and of course, the two Loki's and whichever Wilson brother... Owen?

Usual Marvel trailer shit though, where it's a lot of flash bang, but when you watch the show, inevitably it will be different than the trailer.

They spent some money on effects for this one though, so I'll give them credit for that. Some of it looks fake, but not Black Panther fake.
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Loki was actually pretty decent. The one thing that pissed me off was an interview where they said it would be a self contained thing and then immidiately had a cliffhanger

I liked how loki actually had to take a step back and evaluate who he was as a human being. The friendship he had with owen was great too. the best parts of the show were the two of them sitting down and talking.

I really wonder how the hell they'll do the kang stuff in this. You think they'll do a retcon?
 
Michael Wade said:
I really wonder how the hell they'll do the kang stuff in this. You think they'll do a retcon?
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Kang was set up at the end of Season 1 (and Ant-man) to be the next big bad. He's in the trailer, was in the cliffhanger at end of Loki S1- they have to address him somehow. It will be interesting to see how they deal with this, but I have no idea how. Filming apparently started in June of '22, so they've had time to do reshoots and re-edits. The accusations against Majors didn't come out until Ant-man was out? So February-ish of this year? That's enough time to rejigger things. Maybe they will do the classic Disney 180 and Ke Huy Quan turns out to be the big bad.
 
I want to really like Loki season 2 but it looks so tropey and quality looks everywhere. I cannot trust it either because I have 0 faith in Marvel. Yes @Nick Obre even though I disliked some of the choices in GOTG 3 and that fucking bio spaceship part was completely pointless, it is clearly the best film.

I have not even attempted Secret Invasion because I had a suspicion it was going to be bad because the press was like 0 in the run-up and that for Marvel or Disney is a tell because they have 0 faith in it.
 
There's a rumour on Bounding into Comics that Galactus will be played by a Latino. Nice comment on immigration. Foreigners coming around and consuming all of your resources? Brilliant, Marvel.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
I mean, Kang is a multiversal asshole with each instance of him we see being a different version of him, if they need to write Majors out this is literally one of the easiest characters to make an excuse for.
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I guess technically they could still do that but they kinda fucked that up by showing that every Kang looked like Majors in the Kang Council (or whatever) scene in Ant-Man 3.
 
At this point, I'm only in for Punisher, Daredevil and maybe a Spiderman or two. If we get a pussy ass Punisher with little to no blood and character development, then I'm out of all Marvel shit.
 
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