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Like uncle Yuri said, a demoralized population will love the other and hate the own...
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I was reading something the other day about progressive lefts in the US. When it comes to white people who are progressive lefts. They have an outgroup bias. They favour non-white progressives as better than themselves. Yet all the non-white progressive lefts still have in group bias. Everyone else has an in group bias.
 
Screamer_2 said:
I was reading something the other day about progressive lefts in the US. When it comes to white people who are progressive lefts. They have an outgroup bias. They favour non-white progressives as better than themselves. Yet all the non-white progressive lefts still have in group bias. Everyone else has an in group bias.
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Yeah, an instinctual aspect of any "tribe" has been completely and utterly gutted from a good chunk of the western world. It's incredibly fiendish when you start noooticing
 
>humanity since it could record myths has stories about evil twins, doppelgängers, and shapeshifters being malicious
>Marvel Comics in 1960 kinda just copied this, but with space aliens under a despot
>Marvel in 2023 decides to make them an all encompassing parallel for Immigrants, Jews, and gay niggers

I read the Original Fantastic Four. The Skrulls weren’t an evil race, but were basically the RPG race inclined toward being body snatchers. A lot of them were living under an oppressive system that kept them scared and stupid.

I know the writers are retards who know nothing of history before WWII, but holy shit. Just make the bad Skrulls a wandering mercenary band who want to try to use the Earth Heroes to carry out their revenge scheme. You can have part of the mystery being having to question the people who went native and are basically human.
People losing their homeland and becoming a band of duplicitous thieves and murders who take advantage of their old kinsmen is an old fucking trope and it works.
 
You know, I didn't like the comics' Secret Invasion, but I did enjoy some of the build up and the way they used the religious nature of the invasion to hint at or reveal that someone is a skrull.
Someone would say "He Loves You" and you knew shit was about to go down.

And that's absolutely gone from this. Maybe they thought it was too much work and too much set up required to establish the Skrulls' religious beliefs and the prophecy of Earth as a promised land of sorts, or maybe they thought it was too on the nose for Jews and Muslims. Or maybe they didn't even read that far and just got the cliffnotes: "skrulls in disguise, replaced people and some heroes, that's it".

Anyway, I missed the creepy "He Loves You" thing.
 
Apparently there's been some thing with Secret Invasion where they've made a female character more powerful than Captain Marvel because they're creatively bankrupt and it's a Super Skrull with powers from every single possible character that they could conceivably have them from. That about right?
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
Apparently there's been some thing with Secret Invasion where they've made a female character more powerful than Captain Marvel because they're creatively bankrupt and it's a Super Skrull with powers from every single possible character that they could conceivably have them from. That about right?
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At this point DBZ has a more consistent power level than the MCU
 
Finally watched the Secret Invasion finale. What a godawful show that was. A spy story with no spying, no spycraft, no cat & mouse, no paranoia, no manipulation -- not a single thing you'd expect in a show about a spy, let alone a show about super spies vs shape-shifting aliens. The whole, "I couldn't build a home for you here on Earth because them bigoted humans wouldn't accepted immigrants aliens" is really, really retarded given New Asgard.
 
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Tor Lugosi said:
The whole, "I couldn't build a home for you here on Earth because them bigoted humans wouldn't accepted immigrants aliens" is really, really retarded given New Asgard.
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Not to mention, as many many poeple mentioned online, Rhodey being a Skrull since Civil War makes this even more retarded.
Remember when him and the others went at the start of Endgame to kill Thanos on his holiday planet?
Skrull Rhodey should have been like:
"This is a great planet, I'ma tell my Skrull homies to settle here."
But of course, nobody writing this crap gives a fuck.
 
Idiotron said:
But of course, nobody writing this crap gives a fuck.
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They really didn't. There's an interview where the series director talks about how they were still editing upcoming episodes and 'trying to find the plot' as the episodes were airing. Killing off Maria Hill and Telos for what turned out to be no narrative reason was also really fucking stupid.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Finally watched the Secret Invasion finale. What a godawful show that was. A spy story with no spying, no spycraft, no cat & mouse, no paranoia, no manipulation -- not a single thing you'd expect in a show about a spy, let alone a show about super spies vs shape-shifting aliens. The whole, "I couldn't build a home for you here on Earth because them bigoted humans wouldn't accepted immigrants aliens" is really, really retarded given New Asgard.
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"Oh but the Asgardians look like people naturally, of course they'd be accepted"

YEAH THEY'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF WEIRD ALIEN MONSTER CHILDREN AMONG THEM, INCLUDING A WEREWOLF

THEY'VE GOT A BUG PERSON AS A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE
 
At this point, is it worth it for a newbie like me to get into Marvel comics?

I’ve picked up a few others from DC but only really popular and critically acclaimed works like Batman’s The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween (was reading that one recently and almost through with it), Alan Moore’s Watchmen and V for Vendetta, and Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman.

Are there any rivals the quality of these?
 
Sergeant Major Buzzkill said:
At this point, is it worth it for a newbie like me to get into Marvel comics?

I’ve picked up a few others from DC but only really popular and critically acclaimed works like Batman’s The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween (was reading that one recently and almost through with it), Alan Moore’s Watchmen and V for Vendetta, and Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman.

Are there any rivals the quality of these?
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No. If you like Marvel comics and like the movies I question your sanity. After Jossvengers the two are completely incompatible.

Also going to get hate but marvel turned to shit in the 00's with a handful of exceptions and has just gotten worse.

DC died in 2011 and Marvel died in 2008 with Civil War. Doesn't mean there aren't gems, but investing in the universe at this point is only asking for trouble.
 
jspit2.0 said:
Doesn't mean there aren't gems,
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That’s what I was wondering. I never really cared for Marvel (does not help I saw two of the worst movies from there with the family out of curiosity). Old DC seemed to be the better out of the two.

jspit2.0 said:
No. If you like Marvel comics and like the movies I question your sanity. After Jossvengers the two are completely incompatible.
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Couldn’t be assed to sit through the movies out of my own volition.
 
Sergeant Major Buzzkill said:
That’s what I was wondering. I never really cared for Marvel (does not help I saw two of the worst movies from there with the family out of curiosity). Old DC seemed to be the better out of the two.
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JMS Thor run will make you seethe at how good it was. Loeb did a Hulk run that is big and dumb and fun. Then there's cosmic Marvel. War of Kings, with Abnett and Lanning doing some great cosmic stuff. Ellis Thunderbolts.

After that, it starts to get really rough at Dark Reign. There's allot of retcons and continuity mess. Gwenpool is a hate it or love it title with the guy who did Dr. Mcninja (webcomic) and Gurihiru. There's a Silver Surfer run with Allred that should be awesome, but Slott's writing, so it's lazy and feels more like a doctor who rip off. Hickman's FF is good, but very decompressed and I recommend that as the final title he does before abandoning him as a writer completely. This is all post CW material, right?


Sergeant Major Buzzkill said:
Couldn’t be assed to sit through the movies out of my own volition.
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Me too, how I got stuck watching the Thor movie.
 
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