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Oh yay... They still don't get the problem with Miles though.
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which is it Black Spiderman / Miles Morales / Another Hand me down of WHITE character.
Same old meme its just a mantle say that about a white black panther.
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One of the things people who read comics liked about Into The Spider-Verse & Miles Morales was that if you're not a consooming shill, you'd know that Spider-Verse kinda sucked as an arc in the comics, & that Miles has literally never been good as a character before this movie. Mind you, that still applied to the confines of the movie, cause he still sucked as a character in the comics, by either being shit, or just plain boring. Hell, Marvel's only "marketing" towards him & his comics is using him to shill BLM &/or Latinx shit, by conveniently forgetting (ignoring) that he's only 50% of either, neither a full nog, nor a mutt, but the mystery meat mixture.
Hell, they still ruined it in the 2nd ITSV film with Miles' having BLM badge/pin (tho, I think he had those in the 1st film too), that "Protect Trans Kids" groomer flag, & Jessica Drew getting blackwashed into a pregnant Spiderwoman, eventhough there is already a Black Spiderwoman since the early Spidey comics days. Hell, even their version of Indian Spider-man, Pavitr Prabhakar, who's their brand ambassador in India to sell this movie (They have the Isekai Slime movie running rn in competition), might actually be worse than the OG version (one of my closest homies is from India, & it can take a whole new comment to explain why Spooderjeet, was bad & is worse now). Not that I expected much from a pro-Antifa-g director.
So, take my word for this when I say they're going to make him even worse in MCU.
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I'm really wondering what the fuck their plans are with Punisher in Born Again considering that they basically just spent a whole year making the point that Marvel hates him, he's a piece of shit, and then poofed him out of reality in the comics
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The problem is Miles is not Peter Parker, it's the same situation as Captain America he is the shadow of the main guy. The spider verse arc suck as does most of multiverse with Marvel because they just cannot stick the landing. Miles has always been the side character and never the main one for a reason Peter has the rogues gallery and history with them. A miles film will be so forced too with Tranny Gwen and BLM shit and subpar story. Also they need to origin story him else it just does not work.
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Speaking of Miles, and since the Spider-Verse movies are now officially MCU Multiverse:
Across the Spider-Verse is great in most ways; visuals are as good as expected, there's some good humor, the action is nice, I liked The Spot, there's some decent character work, but...
BUT
The plot is SUCH A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OF EVERYTHING THAT IS SPIDER-MAN
The crux of the story is that there's "canon" events common to all universes (at least the Spidey-related ones) and if they're averted somehow, the universe unravels, and if it happens too much, the multiverse collapses (this is, of course, on top of the rest of the MCU's "multiversal inestability risks" like branching timelines or botched spells or incursions). Uncle Ben (or a suitable equivalent loved one, like Uncle Aaron for ITSV Miles, or Aunt May for TomSpidey) dying is one of those events, Venom possessing Spidey is another, Captain Stacy (or a suitable equivalent cop or cop-like entity) dying is another.
So what's the problem? The problem is this isn't the typical "bad things happen and you have to accept them, you can't save everyone" kind of story, much less a Flashpoint story where the hero learns that using time travel to fix things has terrible consequences, etc. The story here is "Ok, Miles, we know your DAD IS GONNA DIE in two days from now AND YOU HAVE TO LET HIM DIE OR THE UNIVERSE EXPLODES".
And ALL the Spider-mans from the Spider-Society have bought into the idea that, yeah, sometimes you just gotta let people die. This includes Peter B., Gwen, Peni, Spider-Man 2099 (who's the one leading the society and pushing the issue the most), Spider-Woman, Spider-Man PS4, even fucking Spectacular Spider-Man, who they bring out to try to convince Miles that, yes, my Captain Stacy died (which didn't actually happen in his show) so your dad's gotta go.
This goes directly against the core of Spider-Man's philosophy. One of the story beats that gets repeated the most in Spider-Man stories is "save one or save many? Your choice, Spider-Man!" and he ALWAYS tries to save both, even if trying to do it puts his life at risk. A properly written Spider-Man would never accept the premise and would punch the shit out of all the Spiders who did.
So of course the only one who goes against it is Miles (because it's about his dad) and I guess Spider-Punk as well (because, well, he's a punk and therefore terminally contrarian), but he doesn't fight them, he just peaces out.
It makes me feel like when Pa Kent in Man of Steel was like "so maybe let the kids die, and me, also". Except it's worse, because Clark disagreed with that, and here, an infinity of Spider-Mans and Womans actually bought into it.
I hate it because it's otherwise as good as the first one.
Also it's really only the first half of a 5 hour movie. It's not even like Infinity War or Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, which yeah, are half of their respective stories, but they at least close plot threads and then end in a cliffhanger of sorts; this one solves none of its plot threads, it just ends halfway through all of them.
Across the Spider-Verse is great in most ways; visuals are as good as expected, there's some good humor, the action is nice, I liked The Spot, there's some decent character work, but...
BUT
The plot is SUCH A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OF EVERYTHING THAT IS SPIDER-MAN
The crux of the story is that there's "canon" events common to all universes (at least the Spidey-related ones) and if they're averted somehow, the universe unravels, and if it happens too much, the multiverse collapses (this is, of course, on top of the rest of the MCU's "multiversal inestability risks" like branching timelines or botched spells or incursions). Uncle Ben (or a suitable equivalent loved one, like Uncle Aaron for ITSV Miles, or Aunt May for TomSpidey) dying is one of those events, Venom possessing Spidey is another, Captain Stacy (or a suitable equivalent cop or cop-like entity) dying is another.
So what's the problem? The problem is this isn't the typical "bad things happen and you have to accept them, you can't save everyone" kind of story, much less a Flashpoint story where the hero learns that using time travel to fix things has terrible consequences, etc. The story here is "Ok, Miles, we know your DAD IS GONNA DIE in two days from now AND YOU HAVE TO LET HIM DIE OR THE UNIVERSE EXPLODES".
And ALL the Spider-mans from the Spider-Society have bought into the idea that, yeah, sometimes you just gotta let people die. This includes Peter B., Gwen, Peni, Spider-Man 2099 (who's the one leading the society and pushing the issue the most), Spider-Woman, Spider-Man PS4, even fucking Spectacular Spider-Man, who they bring out to try to convince Miles that, yes, my Captain Stacy died (which didn't actually happen in his show) so your dad's gotta go.
This goes directly against the core of Spider-Man's philosophy. One of the story beats that gets repeated the most in Spider-Man stories is "save one or save many? Your choice, Spider-Man!" and he ALWAYS tries to save both, even if trying to do it puts his life at risk. A properly written Spider-Man would never accept the premise and would punch the shit out of all the Spiders who did.
So of course the only one who goes against it is Miles (because it's about his dad) and I guess Spider-Punk as well (because, well, he's a punk and therefore terminally contrarian), but he doesn't fight them, he just peaces out.
It makes me feel like when Pa Kent in Man of Steel was like "so maybe let the kids die, and me, also". Except it's worse, because Clark disagreed with that, and here, an infinity of Spider-Mans and Womans actually bought into it.
I hate it because it's otherwise as good as the first one.
Also it's really only the first half of a 5 hour movie. It's not even like Infinity War or Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, which yeah, are half of their respective stories, but they at least close plot threads and then end in a cliffhanger of sorts; this one solves none of its plot threads, it just ends halfway through all of them.
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The problem is comics were already an out-dated and dying form of regional media long before any of this dumb movie bullshit.
Whether you like it or not, superhero comics centered around universes are a uniquely American form of entertainment that cannot survive global competition (the comics themselves, not the movies, but the movies now). It was dying 20 years ago, and it barely had any shelf space at book stores back then. Manga has long killed off comics. The best comics I read were single runs of non-repeating stories, of superheroes that had several hundred issues and were closed. And that's it. Because a story needs to end. Stories are not meant to be stagnant. And American comics loves itself some fucking stagnation, holy shit. And the best writers in the genre understand this. Stories and characters need to end.
There's no rhyme or reason to them, and now, there's no real material left to mine. You're just constantly re-hashing in one singular genre, over and over and over again. You are going to fail and run out of material. In comics, nothing ever ends. These stories aren't complex. They're shallow. Sure, the Infinity War and the multiverse and some shit have happened multiple times, but none of them were good enough to justify a retelling. That's what comics do to sell themselves, and they've been only surviving through Disney as a result. OH NO MISS MARVEL GOT STABBED TO DEATH. Yeah, who gives a fuck? Its a guarantee that she'll come back. Comics are so devoid of creativity that even Bucky came back to fucking life because the entire medium is out of fucking things to do. And Bucky being the only one who stayed dead was a meme for decades and basically the one thing people could point to that could somehow justify this. It was a meme for decades and in their desperation they decided to forgo that.
Comics were killed by the Comic Code Authority and didn't die fast enough, because comics were set up to survive only in that environment. Once that environment was no longer present, comics never course corrected or adapted. Also the fact is, most creators of comic characters are dead or retired and the people writing them have no stake in the character that they may as well be different characters.
So now, you have the identical problem with comic book movies. There's nothing to mine here. These stories are done. You cannot keep making this shit forever, it doesn't fucking work. They're going to try with the Fantastic Four and then the X-Men, but again, then you have to cycle back and restart again. For all eternity. This doesn't work. And even with X-Men and FF, what are you going to do? You going to build your universe again over the course of a decade with a genre that was already dead on its way out? Good luck with that. The best movie plots are comic book plots that are so old they are old enough to fucking drink now. And once you exhaust those plots, fucking lol, have fun.
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I should correct myself, Marvel/DC superheroes are basically fucking corporate art incarnate. Nothing changes, everything is safe, everything is static. There are no authors, no writers. Just the corporation. The genre itself needs to be free of its old characters because holy God, I just don't give a fuck anymore.
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Honestly reading that reminds me that I should read Transmetropolitain again. Sure, Warren Ellis is hit or miss, but at least it has an actual ending.
That and Spider Jerusalem is a character that would definitely have either an account or a thread here. Probably both.
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I hate that i have to agree with this
That current generation can not create anything of value or substance & most of the flavor/character growth is : prom , eating at Starbucks , gay sex in city life,Democrat mouth piece.
I feel if big 2 came out said we are back to Comic Code people would not care & clap.
The Comics Code of 1954 -https://cbldf.org/the-comics-code-of-1954/
General standards—Part A
(1) Crimes shall never be presented in such a way as to create sympathy for the criminal, to promote distrust of the forces of law and justice, or to inspire others with a desire to imitate criminals.
(2) No comics shall explicitly present the unique details and methods of a crime.
(3) Policemen, judges, Government officials and respected institutions shall never be presented in such a way as to create disrespect for established authority.
(4) If crime is depicted it shall be as a sordid and unpleasant activity.
(5) Criminals shall not be presented so as to be rendered glamorous or to occupy a position which creates a desire for emulation.
(6) In every instance good shall triumph over evil and the criminal punished for his misdeeds.
(7) Scenes of excessive violence shall be prohibited. Scenes of brutal torture, excessive and unnecessary knife and gunplay, physical agony, gory and gruesome crime shall be eliminated.
(No unique or unusual methods of concealing weapons shall be shown.
(9) Instances of law-enforcement officers dying as a result of a criminal’s activities should be discouraged.
(10) The crime of kidnapping shall never be portrayed in any detail, nor shall any profit accrue to the abductor or kidnaper. The criminal or the kidnaper must be punished in every case.
(11) The letters of the word “crime” on a comics-magazine cover shall never be appreciably greater in dimension than the other words contained in the title. The word “crime” shall never appear alone on a cover.
(12) Restraint in the use of the word “crime” in titles or subtitles shall be exercised.
General standards—Part B
(1) No comic magazine shall use the word horror or terror in its title.
(2) All scenes of horror, excessive bloodshed, gory or gruesome crimes, depravity, lust, sadism, masochism shall not be permitted.
(3) All lurid, unsavory, gruesome illustrations shall be eliminated.
(4) Inclusion of stories dealing with evil shall be used or shall be published only where the intent is to illustrate a moral issue and in no case shall evil be presented alluringly, nor so as to injure the sensibilities of the reader.
(5) Scenes dealing with, or instruments associated with walking dead, torture, vampires and vampirism, ghouls, cannibalism, and werewolfism are prohibited.
General standards—Part C
All elements or techniques not specifically mentioned herein, but which are contrary to the spirit and intent of the code, and are considered violations of good taste or decency, shall be prohibited. Dialogue
(1) Profanity, obscenity, smut, vulgarity, or words or symbols which have acquired undesirable meanings are forbidden.
(2) Special precautions to avoid references to physical afflictions or deformities shall be taken.
(3) Although slang and colloquialisms are acceptable, excessive use should be discouraged and, wherever possible, good grammar shall be employed.
Religion
(1) Ridicule or attack on any religious or racial group is never permissible.
Costume
(1) Nudity in any form is prohibited, as is indecent or undue exposure.
(2) Suggestive and salacious illustration or suggestive posture is unacceptable.
(3) All characters shall be depicted in dress reasonably acceptable to society.
(4) Females shall be drawn realistically without exaggeration of any physical qualities. NOTE.—It should be recognized that all prohibitions dealing with costume, dialog, or artwork applies as specifically to the cover of a comic magazine as they do to the contents.
Marriage and sex
(1) Divorce shall not be treated humorously nor represented as desirable.
(2) Illicit sex relations are neither to be hinted at nor portrayed. Violent love scenes as well as sexual abnormalities are unacceptable.
(3) Respect for parents, the moral code, and for honorable behavior shall be fostered. A sympathetic understanding of the problems of love is not a license for morbid distortion.
(4) The treatment of live-romance stories shall emphasize the value of the home and the sanctity of marriage.
(5) Passion or romantic interest shall never be treated in such a way as to stimulate the lower and baser emotions.
(6) Seduction and rape shall never be shown or suggested.
(7) Sex perversion or any inference to same is strictly forbidden.
CODE FOR ADVERTISING MATTER
These regulations are applicable to all magazines published by members of the Comics Magazine Association of America, Inc. Good taste shall be the guiding principle in the acceptance of advertising.
(1) Liquor and tobacco advertising is not acceptable.
(2) Advertisement of sex or sex instruction books are unacceptable.
(3) The sale of picture postcards, “pinups,” “art studies,” or any other reproduction of nude or seminude figures is prohibited.
(4) Advertising for the sale of knives or realistic gun facsimiles is prohibited.
(5) Advertising for the sale of fireworks is prohibited.
(6) Advertising dealing with the sale of gambling equipment or printed matter dealing with gambling shall not be accepted.
(7) Nudity with meretricious purpose and salacious postures shall not be permitted in the advertising of any product; clothed figures shall never be presented in such a way as to be offensive or contrary to good taste or morals.
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(9) Advertisement of medical, health, or toiletry products of questionable nature are to be rejected. Advertisements for medical, health, or toiletry products endorsed by the American Medical Association, or the American Dental Association, shall be deemed acceptable if they conform with all other conditions of the Advertising Code.
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The only MCU movie I was remotely interested in seeing was GotG3, then it came out and I just...didn't go. My apathy for this corporate monstrosity is so great that I simply couldn't be bothered to go to the theater and watch the only movie likely to have any sort of creativity in it. Well, aside from maybe Deadpool 3, but I'm not going to see it if it doesn't have an R rating, and knowing Disney, they very well might meddle to make it PG-13 and completely miss the point of why people liked the Deadpool movies.
As @Secret Asshole said so eloquently, Marvel and DC as a whole should be shut down. There are no new stories left to tell in these sprawling multiverses, spinning around in circles for decades because the status quo can never truly change. Disney wants to keep the gravy train chugging along, but they're never going to recapture that lightning in a bottle, no matter how many other capeshit projects they tangle into its grotesque web.
Is it any wonder that Watchmen is still regarded as one of the greatest comic books of all time? Only twelve issues long; a self-contained story with a clear beginning, middle, and end; interesting and well-written characters; a layered plot that raises questions for the reader to answer; and truly beautiful artwork that takes advantage of the medium. It stands the test of time because it wasn't part of some gigantic crossover you needed to read a dozen other series to get the full plot of. (Yes, I know about Doomsday Clock and other Watchmen projects that ruin this legacy somewhat, but I choose to ignore their existence.)
The MCU is nowhere close to the same level of craft as Watchmen, but Disney could have ended it after Endgame and kept its legacy intact, finishing on a high note. Instead, they're beating this dead horse into a pulp and tarnishing its image one flop at a time. Frankly, it couldn't have happened to a worse entertainment company, and I will enjoy watching the Rat squirm.
As @Secret Asshole said so eloquently, Marvel and DC as a whole should be shut down. There are no new stories left to tell in these sprawling multiverses, spinning around in circles for decades because the status quo can never truly change. Disney wants to keep the gravy train chugging along, but they're never going to recapture that lightning in a bottle, no matter how many other capeshit projects they tangle into its grotesque web.
Is it any wonder that Watchmen is still regarded as one of the greatest comic books of all time? Only twelve issues long; a self-contained story with a clear beginning, middle, and end; interesting and well-written characters; a layered plot that raises questions for the reader to answer; and truly beautiful artwork that takes advantage of the medium. It stands the test of time because it wasn't part of some gigantic crossover you needed to read a dozen other series to get the full plot of. (Yes, I know about Doomsday Clock and other Watchmen projects that ruin this legacy somewhat, but I choose to ignore their existence.)
The MCU is nowhere close to the same level of craft as Watchmen, but Disney could have ended it after Endgame and kept its legacy intact, finishing on a high note. Instead, they're beating this dead horse into a pulp and tarnishing its image one flop at a time. Frankly, it couldn't have happened to a worse entertainment company, and I will enjoy watching the Rat squirm.
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This is what has always pissed me off about the comic industry, particlarily batman doing mental gymnastics to justify not killing the Joker and even going out of his way to save him from being killed by someone else because "then u are just as bad" or some shit, but in reality its that they are not gonna permanently kill off a popular character.
Same with the MCU, the storyline already ended in Endgame, right now they are at the "and then an even bigger badder villain showed up" and even most fanboys are getting fed up.
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I watched guardians of the galaxy 3. Its decent and easily the darkest MCU movie I've seen (granted I've only seen Avengers 1 and 2 and the Guardians movies). This does lead to some major tonal clashes. You'll have these pretty gnarly fight fight scenes with blood and bones snapping and shit but then it'll go to some SNL tear skit with goofy alien costumes and then go to baby rocket touture. There were some fight scenes and shots which seemed ripped straight of a Snyder DC movie. Its nothing too intense and is still a family movie at the end of the day but I could def see parts of it sticking in kids minds and disturbing. Its also weird that Chris Pratt's guy cares so much about not killing when he just drowns a hostage, carves a micro chip from his skull, and just says nothing about it.
Anyway on the topic of Spider-verse I just hate the concept and think it shows everything wrong with Spider-man post OMD. The brand has become so stagnant and creatively bankrupt that its reduced to eating itself in a self agrandizing meta shit show. Its so bad like Dc does that kinda stuff sometimes where during a crisis all the AU supermen will fight the bad guy, but there is no superman-verse and there is no monthly ongoing red son superman series like how marvel shits out monthly spider-verse stories. They have ruined peter parker so hard they have to shit out black peter or gwen peter or gay peter or commie peter in hopes that one of those will stick. Also troons are calling Gwen trans lmao.
Anyway on the topic of Spider-verse I just hate the concept and think it shows everything wrong with Spider-man post OMD. The brand has become so stagnant and creatively bankrupt that its reduced to eating itself in a self agrandizing meta shit show. Its so bad like Dc does that kinda stuff sometimes where during a crisis all the AU supermen will fight the bad guy, but there is no superman-verse and there is no monthly ongoing red son superman series like how marvel shits out monthly spider-verse stories. They have ruined peter parker so hard they have to shit out black peter or gwen peter or gay peter or commie peter in hopes that one of those will stick. Also troons are calling Gwen trans lmao.
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They absolutely understand the problems some have with him, they just want him to be the next Spider-Man, but mixed-race, and replace Peter Parker.
This is true for the entire Western media industry as a whole now. They're just going to keep bringing back old properties because most of the new people either don't know or aren't allowed to try and make something new.
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I think it's a bit of an overstatement, Superheroes had their place has a decent good vs. evil story for kids with no need of major continuity. The rot set in when the authors saw themselves as something greater than entertainment for kids and tried to put serious storyline devices in, and it got worse when faggoty authors tried to deconstruct the setting because god forbid the ideas of objective good and evil exist.
Nowadays comics are in limbo - They are entirely built on objective ideas of good and evil, but the authors don't believe in those concepts, if not actively go against them. They want to tell big stories but aren't allowed to make any changes.
Hopefully the entire industry dies down, but the entire western entertainment is astroturfed and full of gay and nigger worship.
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That the same 3-5 stories are constantly used as the reason why super hero comics are "serious bussiness" shows me how childish and lifeless they really are. I bought into how they were legit art, but when you can't really point to almost anything after the 80s, well, it's obvious the good shit was just flukes.
Manga and European comics not shackled by the superhero medium's brand recognition and desire to keep the status quo allows them to be so much more free. Shounen are dime a fucking dozen, but they are allowed to be distinct and end (for the most part).
I barely know amything about european comics, you do have the more eternal brand focused on kids like Asterix and Obelix or Lucky Luke who are not nearly up as much up their own ass and then funkier shit like the Metabarons. The Metabarons is a visual spectacle of pure sci-fi (very heavy on the fi) for the pure pleasure of doing it, stuff lile that would be unthinkable in Marvel/DC, and if it were to happen, it would be choked and ruined.
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>niggas brining up Watchman like it's actually good or interesting
Things comicbook fans regard as good are usually a prototype for another genre and smashed to fit the mold. It's good because it's different, not because it's actually good. Watchman is basically Alan Moore doing a crime drama where a rogue capitalist tries to avert prevent WW3 because he's smart, a crazy guy has his own morals that he is willing to see through, and a massive cuck falls down before the new world order.
Moore had good artists and for the most part is able to not let his own morality and world view infect characters, sometimes. He's one of those writers I don't get the hype for him because he seemed to just like old myths and be British Commie (Angl*'s make me vomit and wish Arthur would come back from Avalon and kill them already).
Everything I read from him as either been a thinly veiled political dump, a halfway decent concept ruined by his writing, or just edgy shit that you'd like if you were a teenager.
The only real hope for Western comics is unironically a return to small regional shit that you can buy by the bundle. Get fifteen ten-paged stories of various genres in the same thing using cheap paper. However, from what I am aware there is an unironic monopoly that basically kills any attempt at this. @Secret Asshole I am a bit of a weeb on Jap shit because Jap's have a wealth of genres and they'll have autistic shit like someone writing about fantasy from the perspective of a letter courier or a black smith and will actually go autistically in detail on the research they did. They'll have cooking manga about hunting in rural Japan, series taking space travel to the mundane extreme and fantastical extreme, and true crime stuff.
The biggest thing is that a lot of Jap writers seem to actually want to entertain their readers and don't naval gaze like British faggots who need to be skinned alive.
Things comicbook fans regard as good are usually a prototype for another genre and smashed to fit the mold. It's good because it's different, not because it's actually good. Watchman is basically Alan Moore doing a crime drama where a rogue capitalist tries to avert prevent WW3 because he's smart, a crazy guy has his own morals that he is willing to see through, and a massive cuck falls down before the new world order.
Moore had good artists and for the most part is able to not let his own morality and world view infect characters, sometimes. He's one of those writers I don't get the hype for him because he seemed to just like old myths and be British Commie (Angl*'s make me vomit and wish Arthur would come back from Avalon and kill them already).
Everything I read from him as either been a thinly veiled political dump, a halfway decent concept ruined by his writing, or just edgy shit that you'd like if you were a teenager.
The only real hope for Western comics is unironically a return to small regional shit that you can buy by the bundle. Get fifteen ten-paged stories of various genres in the same thing using cheap paper. However, from what I am aware there is an unironic monopoly that basically kills any attempt at this. @Secret Asshole I am a bit of a weeb on Jap shit because Jap's have a wealth of genres and they'll have autistic shit like someone writing about fantasy from the perspective of a letter courier or a black smith and will actually go autistically in detail on the research they did. They'll have cooking manga about hunting in rural Japan, series taking space travel to the mundane extreme and fantastical extreme, and true crime stuff.
The biggest thing is that a lot of Jap writers seem to actually want to entertain their readers and don't naval gaze like British faggots who need to be skinned alive.
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I agree and while I do not follow comics closely enough to be certain of this statement honestly to this day the best tribute to the death of Gwen Stacey I ever saw was Osborne in Ellis' very brief Thunderbolts run.
This is the sort of person still hung up on those archaic plot points from decades ago. A man who almost certainly has masturbated in that suit multiple times because it was his personal peak.
All the brands have kind of stagnated a bit at this point though that does not mean the adaptations have. We have had multiple Death of Superman and I do still think a lot of them were done well. Not all but that is not the same as that none of them are good anymore. I enjoyed parts of New 52. I would probably watch an animated Ultimate Marvel verse. But comic movies are in a recession and because it's currently one of Disney's bread and butter the denial about that is extensive.
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Absolutely this. They'll keep trying for the lightning in a bottle until the franchise is dead. They'll take hold of everything and beat the profit out of them. I mean, they recently emasculated the Punisher and I just laughed, because when Ennis' run was done, I was done with the character. The story was told. He did everything he did, said everything he needed to say, and bowed out. I don't need the character. There's so much out there. People hitching themselves to this and only this for decades...the shit you're missing out on is...oof. There's a lot. And a lot better art too. Holy shit, how do people even read this crap. The art is fucking ABYSMAL.
The thing is this: At least Watchmen is consistent. It has one author and one artist. You can say a lot about Alan Moore, but his books are tonally, visually and thematically consistent, wheter one issue or one hundred. They're not hampered by the colorist changing, the artist changing, the author changing, editorial coming in and fucking around with it. It is because it is singularly unified in a vision that is extraordinarily rare for American comics and honestly, why American comics are obsolete: They're corporate art, deal a corporate message and are interchangeable. That's what defines the best works in Western comics: Singular authors and artists. This is where the American concept of shared artists and authors breaks down completely and doesn't work.
Because comics are capitalist first, art second. Sure, back in the day they were creator focused. That's not the case anymore. You had a long time where you couldn't make an X-Men character because the rights would go to another company, so they forbid you from making new characters because the company couldn't profit. That's not creativity. That's corpo art plain and simple, and all corporate art sucks shit. It might be good for a little while, but its main vehicle is profit and its desperation for this will show.
To be honest, that's really the only way. There are still newsprint comics out there. Oh and absolutely, the 'Diamond Catalogue' which is where shops order issues from. It is functionally a monopoly.
Well, that's the best part about manga, isn't it? There's literally genre upon genres. Let's go with fantasy.
There's Berserk. There's Danjon Meshi. There's Frieren - Beyond Journey's End. There's Fairy Tail. There's Black Clover. There's Claymore. There's Goblin Slayer. There's Mashle. There's Übel Blatt
And all of these are completely and utterly different, with different art, concepts and themes. And not one of these are isekai. There's drama, dark fantasy, horror, cooking, comedy, sex, ultra-violence and this is in just this very small selection. And if you want more of this, there are light novels and anime, which I guarantee you 9 times out of 10 won't stray from what made the origonals good. The key here is consistent. It is a consistent story over mediums, with no faggot trying to put his own 'spin' on it and fucking it up completely and yelling at people when they don't buy their corporate art nightmare. The West can't even make two Spidermen interesting, they have to give Miles Morales a fucking power sword for no fucking reason. And he's still boring.
Here's why Western comics are fucked:
Give me a coherent Batman from 1973 until now. Without using Wikipedia. Good luck with that.
Here's how to read Golgo 13 from 1973 until now: Pick up Golgo Volume 1.
Did you notice I didn't say give me a coherent Golgo 13? That's because it already is. You just read each volume in order until you run out of English tankōbon volumes. Then read it on Viz media. There, done. I don't need wikipedia. I don't need google, I don't need a 500 page word document on autistic history and authors and artists and retarded history nobody cares about. You just buy it and go.
This allows you to try limitless amounts of genres, series simply by picking up volume one and consulting nobody. And you'll generally get a consistent story. Is manga perfect? Absolutely not. Manga has its own host of problems, but they PALE in comparison to the West. Because of manga's format as well, it allows for one artist and author, one voice guiding it, which will always be superior. I cannot tell you how many times in Ennis' run of Punisher, even though it was still his writing, artists switched up and were pure fucking garbage that took me out of it. This typically doesn't happen with manga and you can see designs and art mature in the manga you read over time, and quality typically increases over time instead of being a fucking whack a mole up and down. Also manga is better value for the money as well, since its B&W.
And art in the West has somehow gotten fucking worse. Which holy God is embarrassing.
Superheroes don't even need to be for kids. Superhero can just be one genre of many. But the problem is like I said, they're not allowed to have any vision, authorial intent, latitude. They're corporate mascots. That's all they fucking are, and people seeing them as these big symbols are fucking hysterical. The biggest fucking thing is who they're taking to prom and whose gay. Who gives a shit.
This is corporate art. It is bland, boring and fucking dead. At least corporate art tried to cater to the consumer at one point. Now it just protects the brand and its just fucking vile.