Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I haven't seen it, but a friend with reliable taste told me it's absolutely terrible, and he didn't say that even of Thor4 or Ants3.

Only seen the first of those but that makes it sound bad enough that I have to see it.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Another complaint, Nebula saying "even I didn't suffer so much under Thanos" in comparison to Rocket's backstory was fucking ridiculous. Besides that people never say those things, Nebula had her limbs and organs taken away and replaced (almost certainly while conscious) over multiple years as punishment for failure. Objectively speaking, in both physical and mental aspects, she suffered in a worse manner than Rocket.

 

[ShitLurker]

Another complaint, Nebula saying "even I didn't suffer so much under Thanos" in comparison to Rocket's backstory was fucking ridiculous. Besides that people never say those things, Nebula had her limbs and organs taken away and replaced (almost certainly while conscious) over multiple years as punishment for failure. Objectively speaking, in both physical and mental aspects, she suffered in a worse manner than Rocket.

But she isn't a cute racoon and the kids favorite character, now is she?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

But she isn't a cute racoon and the kids favorite character, now is she?

I can't imagine the mental age of the people those films (or really all current year media) is made for. It's an unholy mix of fascination with bodily waste like children, desire for imaginary depth of adolescents, spite for the world of 20 year olds and nostalgia obsession of old people.

 

[Nick Obre]

Another complaint, Nebula saying "even I didn't suffer so much under Thanos" in comparison to Rocket's backstory was fucking ridiculous. Besides that people never say those things, Nebula had her limbs and organs taken away and replaced (almost certainly while conscious) over multiple years as punishment for failure. Objectively speaking, in both physical and mental aspects, she suffered in a worse manner than Rocket.

She got her limbs and organs replaced, yes.

But she didn't get reshaped into a completely different body plan.

Making a racoon into Rocket is like making a human into a giraffe.

It is kinda worse.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I can't imagine the mental age of the people those films (or really all current year media) is made for. It's an unholy mix of fascination with bodily waste like children, desire for imaginary depth of adolescents, spite for the world of 20 year olds and nostalgia obsession of old people.

I have a theory that the world is just regressed and all adolescence is just delayed in perpetuity.

That's why we have words like "adulting".

We're all pretty fucked when someone comes along to be the adult. In the US, I suspect that will be another country.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

She got her limbs and organs replaced, yes.

But she didn't get reshaped into a completely different body plan.

Making a racoon into Rocket is like making a human into a giraffe.

It is kinda worse.

I mean, being given supernatural intelligence, dexterious opposable thumbs and the ability to use them while standing upright doesn't sound like that bad a deal.

That'd be more like giving a human a free set of extra arms or wings. You're increasing his ability to interact with the world around him, not decreasing it.

The whole statement rings kinda hollow because its like Adam Jensen going "I didn't ask for the ability to teleport, punch through walls, inhuman reflexes, shoot missles from my body, become literally invincible, 3D print items with my hands, the ability to recover from any and all injuries instantly, go invisible, brainwash people by looking at them and leap 12 meters in the air."

Yeah you didn't ask for it, but its kinda hard to feel sorry for you after I watch you nuke the 13th room in a row by flicking your wrist.

I think nebula has the same problem with this. We're supposed to feel sorry for her but we don't really see the drawbacks physical or mental, of her augmentation.

All I see when I look at nebula is someone who is literally indestructible, can fly, hack anything and everything and shoot nukes out of her fingertips.

Its basically cheating by giving someone an obscenely powerful set of powers while skipping doing the legwork and pretending they're a drawback which is stupid everytime its done in media.

The only time I've ever seen a character that is basically god despise his powers done properly and relatably in a way that isn't hamfisted and lazy as fuck is with with one punch man's saitama.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

She got her limbs and organs replaced, yes.

But she didn't get reshaped into a completely different body plan.

Making a racoon into Rocket is like making a human into a giraffe.

It is kinda worse.

I dunno dude, getting to the point your body is silly putty and you probably can't remember how it looked originally is better than being a dumb earth animal that now has sapience and intelligence to know where it is.

I have a theory that the world is just regressed and all adolescence is just delayed in perpetuity.

That's why we have words like "adulting".

We're all pretty fucked when someone comes along to be the adult. In the US, I suspect that will be another country.

It's exactly the plot of Brave New World. You don't need some authoritarian regime, just make everyone have the top mental age of 18.

I mean, being given supernatural intelligence, dexterious opposable thumbs and the ability to use them while standing upright doesn't sound like that bad a deal.

That'd be more like giving a human a free set of extra arms or wings. You're increasing his ability to interact with the world around him, not decreasing it.

The whole statement rings kinda hollow because its like Adam Jensen going "I didn't ask for the ability to teleport, punch through walls, inhuman reflexes, shoot missles from my body, become literally invincible, 3D print items with my hands, the ability to recover from any and all injuries instantly, go invisible, brainwash people by looking at them and leap 12 meters in the air."

Yeah you didn't ask for it, but its kinda hard to feel sorry for you after I watch you nuke the 13th room in a row by flicking your wrist.

I think nebula has the same problem with this. We're supposed to feel sorry for her but we don't really see the drawbacks physical or mental, of her augmentation.

All I see when I look at nebula is someone who is literally indestructible, can fly, hack anything and everything and shoot nukes out of her fingertips.

Its basically cheating by giving someone an obscenely powerful set of powers while skipping doing the legwork and pretending they're a drawback which is stupid everytime its done in media.

The only time I've ever seen a character that is basically god despise his powers done properly and relatably in a way that isn't hamfisted and lazy as fuck is with with one punch man's saitama.

The Adam Jensen meme is pretty ridiculous.
Having abilities that will only be worthwhile if you are in a video game doesn't really make you feel better about being a quadriplegic dependent on drugs and your tech company not going out of business for the rest of your life.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Having abilities that will only be worthwhile if you are in a video game doesn't really make you feel better about being a quadriplegic dependent on drugs and your tech company not going out of business for the rest of your life.

Jensen himself is a special case where he doesn't need nu-poz, but as a general rule, it is pretty fucked up to be an Aug, having to rely on LIMB clinics and then the LIMB clinic burns down because Augs just had to have the COVID Firmware update made by a Chinese pharmaceutical.

Not that the MCU ever thought that far about anything. Really, Earth is the Afghanistan of the Galaxy and in some ways is worse because all the super advanced technology that could make Humanity a MovieBob fantasy are actually hoarded by Earth's Elite like Shield or Stark Industries or Wakanda. Arc Energy by itself should have made Heavy and Light Industries legit Green, but Stark puts DRM in all his tech, so Earth can't modernize their standing militaries or even make better cars. The entire defense industry of Earth is built around a few thousand superhero teams doing their own thing, mostly in New York, with little actual coordination or in the case of Wakanda, actively antagonistic with everyone else. Scientific progress, despite all narratives insisting on advancement, doesn't actually advance in their world and I can only assume it's because of MCU scientists hoarding patents and copyrights that Edison wishes he had.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

The Adam Jensen meme is pretty ridiculous.
Having abilities that will only be worthwhile if you are in a video game doesn't really make you feel better about being a quadriplegic dependent on drugs and your tech company not going out of business for the rest of your life.

This would be valid if it wasn't for the fact that Adam Jensen suffers from protagonist syndrome meaning he is immune to the side effects and requires 0 neuropozyne to survive unlike every single other user.

Ontop of that in mankind divided his company did go out of bussiness and didn't affect him at all because literally any random engineer can perform maintenance to his augs that are more resillient than regular limbs to begin with.

Having abilities that will only be worthwhile if you are in a video game

Jensen has a shitload of non combat augmentations that would be very much useful in everyday life.

Health monitors and healing stimulants, fat and glucose regulators, vastly enhanced reflexes, xray item locators, immunity to fall damage, ability to subtly influence people around you with pheromones, built in oxygen filters, slowing down time, immunity to knifes and small injuries, etc.

For every wrist mounted rocket launcher he also has an equivalent civilian aug that you'd use in everyday life.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

This would be valid if it wasn't for the fact that Adam Jensen suffers from protagonist syndrome meaning he is immune to the side effects and requires 0 neuropozyne to survive unlike every single other user.

Ontop of that in mankind divided his company did go out of bussiness and didn't affect him at all because literally any random engineer can perform maintenance to his augs that are more resillient than regular limbs to begin with.

Well, except for that one time when Jensen nearly fried in the diagnostic chair and Koller had to use the factory reset. Sarif Industries really was the only company that could safely provide Jensen given how proprietary his tech is. That, and LIMB doctors also run illegal practices in Mankind Divided, so if you're not well connected to the criminal underworld like your typical Aug, you're still up shit creek.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Well, except for that one time when Jensen nearly fried in the diagnostic chair and Koller had to use the factory reset. Sarif Industries really was the only company that could safely provide Jensen given how proprietary his tech is. That, and LIMB doctors also run illegal practices in Mankind Divided, so if you're not well connected to the criminal underworld like your typical Aug, you're still up shit creek.

Jensen got fried because of experimental overclocked augments that he had no info or knowledge of that and also didn't have the proper firmware update to handle, that danger goes away after Jensen got his hands on the neuroplasticity calibrator.

It was a very unique one of a kind thing that is unlikely to happen again unless Jensen regularily blacks out and is fitted with more augments without his knowledge.

That, and LIMB doctors also run illegal practices in Mankind Divided, so if you're not well connected to the criminal underworld like your typical Aug, you're still up shit creek.

I'm not arguing that being a normie would be hard, I'm talking specifically about Adam in this case. The fact that a random engineer can perform maintenance on highly experimental top of the line cutting edge blacksite military hardware (That is already harder to damage than a regular arm) shows that life as Jensen isn't as hard the story pretends, which to fall back on the theme of the thread, is the same issue with both rocket, nebula, and most heroes who cry about how miserable their powers are making them without any actual indication of how or why said powers are making them miserable.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

The problem with Disney Marvel shit is that they're running into the DBZ problem. You can't up the stakes anymore (I really hated Thanos because Marvel basically agrees with him and not that he's fucking insane), Thanos killed half of existence. You'd need to have characters react to how weird that is and how it would change the world that there is literally a magic device that can grant wishes. You need to do smaller character arcs that get the characters off the high of the previous arc.

You'd to focus on characters doing their own thing. The Captain Falcon series was shit because it shouldn't really of been Sam bitching about being passed up, but trying to put his life in order and being dragged into a mystery with Bucky. New Cap failing to live up to the expectations or breaking under the pressure should've been a B plot.
The Scarlet Witch series suffered a similar problem where the writers couldn't actually write a character arc that made sense.

I should also say I really didn't watch these. I liked comics in the early 2000's and then stopped after Spider-Man sold his soul to the devil, along with Anglo writers and fat Jewish fanboys writing their BBC fantasies. I mostly just talked about them with my brother or sister and watched clips they showed me.

 

[Terrifik]

Tom Hiddleston and Chris Hemsworth in weeds seems like both current loki & Thor are done after the contract up which seem one more movie or tv series.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

I thought Hiddlestone's was up at Loki season 2 so it checks out. I bet they are in a very aggressive negotiation with Tom sice he gets a lot of audience watching. Olsen by a recent interview seems done as fuck and she sounds pissed at how they fucked her over in Strange 2.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Olsen by a recent interview seems done as fuck and she sounds pissed at how they fucked her over in Strange 2.

She should be as Scarlet Witch was turned into a psychotic villain over children she never had. And unlike the comic House of M which got rid of her kids after they existed in IRL since the mid-late 1980ies. Instead the MSheU had to speed run everything from Vision and her first hooking up and then... oops Vision got killed off like a pansy helpless bitch before putting his android batter into her oven. Destroying the rationale to even begin doing that shitpectacular storyline. Yes I know there's WandaVision but it came after Vision was already dead and she never had kids to begin with.

Plus Disney already owned Marvel and FOX and so the irl rationale to deny FOX any new mutant IP to use was now rendered null and void.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1sXhBSINnSMTom Hiddleston and Chris Hemsworth in weeds seems like both current loki & Thor are done after the contract up which seem one more movie or tv series.

The funny thing is, Tom Hiddleston's wife is the villainess in The Marvels, so he's still getting the bread from Disney without Loki.

 

[Sniperwoof]

The problem with Disney Marvel shit is that they're running into the DBZ problem. You can't up the stakes anymore (I really hated Thanos because Marvel basically agrees with him and not that he's fucking insane), Thanos killed half of existence. You'd need to have characters react to how weird that is and how it would change the world that there is literally a magic device that can grant wishes. You need to do smaller character arcs that get the characters off the high of the previous arc.

You'd to focus on characters doing their own thing. The Captain Falcon series was shit because it shouldn't really of been Sam bitching about being passed up, but trying to put his life in order and being dragged into a mystery with Bucky. New Cap failing to live up to the expectations or breaking under the pressure should've been a B plot.
The Scarlet Witch series suffered a similar problem where the writers couldn't actually write a character arc that made sense.

I should also say I really didn't watch these. I liked comics in the early 2000's and then stopped after Spider-Man sold his soul to the devil, along with Anglo writers and fat Jewish fanboys writing their BBC fantasies. I mostly just talked about them with my brother or sister and watched clips they showed me.

Nah the biggest problem is the MCU is now full of unlikable twats and bitchy wine aunt types. There's not a single actor with charisma or leading man energy left.

Well there was Chris Pratt I guess but he went to church on Sundays or something which is too much for Disney's family friendly brand so he had to be forced out.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Nah the biggest problem is the MCU is now full of unlikable twats and bitchy wine aunt types. There's not a single actor with charisma or leading man energy left.

Well there was Chris Pratt I guess but he went to church on Sundays or something which is too much for Disney's family friendly brand so he had to be forced out.

Anthony Mackie seems kinda based, but he's basically the most boring black side kick ever created.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Anthony Mackie seems kinda based, but he's basically the most boring black side kick ever created.

True, he seems not bad per se as a guy, but genuinely a charisma vaccum. The last time he felt good was in Pain & Gain, & that's probably the Bay charm instead of him.