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So just like MoS, where it was due to literal incompetence on Clark's part
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Except in MoS, it started as Clark (not Superman, but Martha's son Clark) throwing Zod out of rage for threatening his mother, the whole moment after that is just them not just moving through on their own, but flowing through the fight of Clark VS Zod & his lackeys.
MCU can't do this cause of M-SHE-U issue where women just get to have no actual issues at all, so no man to threaten them is there. Also, Carol is such a Mary-Sue that she's shown as she literally can't do no wrong, meaning unlike Clark, she can't be considered to have an actual supposedly acceptable meaning to do it, or be held responsible (like Clark is in BvS). Hell, it might even be considered a good thing just by the sole fact of how much the plot would like to vag-out Carol.
Also, MoS is literally a Dragon Ball Movie, one of Zod's goons is literally named Nam-Ek. Collateral damage is a joke.
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A big reason tom cruise/will smith/brad pitt/johny depp/etc. got so famous and beloved is because appart from staring in iconic big budget movies they weren't going around on press tours talking about how much they fucking hate white people and how much white people should fuck off.
I reckon antagonizing the fuck out of your potential audience especially in the middle of a politically charged culture isn't very conductive when it comes to building a fanbase. You'll always have the diehard fans but when it comes to people who have no stake or previous investment considering "Should I watch a movie made by people who hate my guts, or watch a movie made by people who don't hate my guts?" its not hard to guess what they'll pick.
It also doesn't help that there aren't a lot of good/iconic/cult movies coming out lately. Treating filmaking like replacable slock will result in the actors themselves being replacable immemorable blobs too.
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It’s also why they bought Star Wars. Seems that Disney is to IPs what EA is to studios.
I’m glad she’s gone but the damage is already done. If they had someone competent in phase 4 it could’ve been saved.
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The collateral damage argument thing is such a ridiculous idea in retrospective, and retarded on so many levels. When you are fighting for your life against a demi god you can't turn your back and run away ten miles without the risk of the person either tackling/laser beam your exposed back or realising you don't want to hurt anyone and then just start going Omni Man on the population out of spite.
Marvel on the other hand never get called on it, either when it's just as bad or Power Rangers level of fighting in a fucking quarry
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Exactly, I've seen literal street fights between fucking hobos where people don't care about collateral damage like "we shouldn't smash someone's head on a lampost", or that "we shouldn't throw a metal dustbin at someone", or "we shouldn't bash someone with an electric signboard", etc.
If humans (or hobos, in this case) don't care for this in heat of battle & pure rage, then why would demi-gods will, who aren't even from the planet & willing to destroy the planet anyway? Also, in MoS specifically, Clark can't even if he could, cause Zod is that good & keeps getting better.
Dragon Ball is even funnier, Earth is almost destroyed multiple times, & actually did get destroyed once. They just don't care anymore.
Also yeah, MCU shills really never acknowledge Marvel's collateral damage. It's like it doesn't exist to them.
Is it a Snyder defender to point out that MoS/BvS/JL are all more interesting then Captain Marvel?
The only thing worse than Snyder Bronies are people who reflexively hate his work.
And before any knee jerk, I'll throw my glove in. MoS is a slog of a movie filled with destruction and nihilism that completely rejects Superman as a concept. The fact that later Snyder Films course corrected on that is worth pointing out. Visually, the movie is well designed, the scenes graphic, and there are well written parts of dialogue. The problem is they never come together.
Nah, don't let Feige off the hook. He was in charge when all this happened.
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Sure, but there is also these two gems:
"LIKE A BLACK HOLE!" and my favorite but in BvS "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME"
If only there was an LOL button.
I mean, yeah there are clunkers.
But, being serious. The scene on the mountains in BvS with Clark talking to his father? The MoS sequence where Jonathan hugs him and says he is his son.
There are legitimately good exchanges of dialogue where forty year old men don't all speak in the same catty valley girl dialogue.
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Man, Superman takes the fight from a field aaaaaall the way to the middle of a town because he acts like a raging retard. He needlessly puts people in danger because he's incompetent. He's not forced to do it by the situation, he just swoops in and instead of stopping at any point between the farm and the city, he keeps flying straight into the city (destroying buildings along the way that could have had people in them) with complete disregard for anything.
Later on Zod gets the powers and he's forced to blah blah blah, but at this point, it's entirely on Superman's retardation (and Snyder not understanding the character and wanting to increase the drama and spectacle) that people were in danger.
Niggers, Civil War happens entirely because of the collateral damage caused by the Avengers, together and separately, throughout several movies.
Reflexively? His DC movies are all trash, and each is more trash than the one before. I didn't like them on release, but when the Snyder Cut came out, I watched them all in sequence with a group of friends and it was an excruciating experience. There's nothing kneejerk about it.
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I'm going to be radical here and suggest that two super beings slugging it out in a field with no stakes is less exciting for the viewer than them crashing through a town.
Also, fwiw, "aaaaaall the way to the middle of a town" carries a bit less weight when for these beings it is literally less than a second's difference. It's not like for you or I where a half a mile takes time. They fly further than that backwards just from being punched.
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lol calm down
All of them? All of them are 'trash'? Wow. So there's zero difference in quality between MoS, JL, and BvS.
MoS and JL aren't more narratively cohesive, BvS doesn't do a better job with Cavill Superman's human relationships, and BvS' Lex and Doomsday and JL's Steppenwolf aren't massive downgrades from Zod? Those movies were made over a decade. None of them are particularly brilliant, they're all pretty flawed. But holy hell, you can't see any difference between them in quality or craft?
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Ride by hot take, but any iteration of Superman whose absolute priority is not protecting civilians is not a Superman I care for. Superman is supposed to be the best of us and if he is forced to fight in a situation where others get hurt, it should be shown as sonething that tears his soul.
Why? Because it's fucking Superman, it's the whole point of the character as far as I care. It's why I consider it a glaring fault in MoS but collateral is not such a big deal... with pretty much any other character except Spiderman (power responsability).
Why? Because it's fucking Superman, it's the whole point of the character as far as I care. It's why I consider it a glaring fault in MoS but collateral is not such a big deal... with pretty much any other character except Spiderman (power responsability).
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Nigger I said each is worse than the one before. Yes, Zod is better than Luthor and Steppenwolf.
They start trash with MoS, become trash with BvS, and then TRASH with the Snyder cut.
And for the record, the Wheddon cut qualifies as trash.
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From what I've seen, and to circle back to the subject of this thread, climatic battles that take place in cities show minimal collateral damage and only tell about significant collateral damage in a future installment. Loki's attack on New York seem to only blow up cars , damage several skyscrapers, and other infrastructure. Yet Jane gives him a strike across the face in The Dark World as if he took out a major portion of the city. However, it might have been seen as insensitive if NYC was shown as heavily damage from a hostile attack over a decade after 9/11 (something that MOS was criticized for with how parts of Metropolis were demolished). But even that argument would not hold up since Cloverfield showed a giant monster destroying New York and that was released four years before the first Avengers film. In AOU, much of the populace in Sokovia's capital appeared to have been evacuated before Ultron lifted a part of the city. Yet in Civil War, Tony is confronted by a mother whose son died offscreen in that battle against Ultron.
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Thing is, he does try his best to save people when he could. I can't find the count video rn, so here's a chart made by some fanboy I found on 4chan once. There's a way better version of this chart, but I couldn't find it.
As for others getting hurt hurting him more, he literally cries after killing Zod.
I'd say the only time I think I had a problem with him not saving was the Papa Kent incident, there's literally stories about humans surving in a cyclone, so Clark won't be that special. However, that tism was more on Papa Kent than Clark.
I feel like we're turning into a DC thread now.
One thing I've noticed is that the whole Loki's NYC invasion in 1st Avengers film is literally ripped-off from the Decepticon Chicago invasion in Transformers: Dark of the Moon.
But in Avengers 1, the collateral damage is shown less & even the people aren't shown much in trouble.
Also, your AOU point just made me realise that Sokovia Invasion isn't that big a deal considering almost everyone evacuated Sokovia, & there was just collateral damage of an abandoned 3rd world shithole. Literally only a single casualty is told to happen which is through a blackwashed Miriam Sharpe in Civil War played by Alfre Woodard.
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on the topic of the MCU failing to become a "Girl-Brand" I agree that they completely misunderstood their supposed target audience, I blame this on a mixture of childless wine aunts like Victoria Alonso having high positions of power and assuming every single woman out there has a personal vendetta against men, and the delusional idea that LGBTQBBQTV+ people compromise a far larger sector of the population than they really do, I think it was Netflix's twitter account that claimed 75% of the world belongs to the LGBTV+ clan.
As said by another guy here, the average woman hates the "GirlbossTM" shit Hollyjew keeps trying to push, to give an example, my mom absolutely loves Man of Steel, Batman V Superman, and the SnyderCut, why? Simple, Henry Cavill is hot so a three hour movie with him wearing a skin-tight suit that shows off his physique is right up her alley, she also has had a crush on Ben Affleck since the 90s so of course she loves BvS, and Justice League.
Another example a coworker of mine calls herself a "huge Marvel Geek", of course her favorite heroes are Thor and Captain America, she would wear t shirts with Captain America's shield on them and even has a Thor figure on her desk, and would sperg about the films during lunch break, and she lost interest in the MCU after Phase 4, the last film she sperged about was Black Widow and even then she was mostly complaining about it.
tl:dr Marvel if you want women to be your target demographic you need hot male leads
As said by another guy here, the average woman hates the "GirlbossTM" shit Hollyjew keeps trying to push, to give an example, my mom absolutely loves Man of Steel, Batman V Superman, and the SnyderCut, why? Simple, Henry Cavill is hot so a three hour movie with him wearing a skin-tight suit that shows off his physique is right up her alley, she also has had a crush on Ben Affleck since the 90s so of course she loves BvS, and Justice League.
Another example a coworker of mine calls herself a "huge Marvel Geek", of course her favorite heroes are Thor and Captain America, she would wear t shirts with Captain America's shield on them and even has a Thor figure on her desk, and would sperg about the films during lunch break, and she lost interest in the MCU after Phase 4, the last film she sperged about was Black Widow and even then she was mostly complaining about it.
tl:dr Marvel if you want women to be your target demographic you need hot male leads
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More background on what might have caused Alonso to get the boot:
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