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MCU fanboys coping, seething, and malding over the new Ant-Man’s reviews:

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Seeing all the different Kangs together, I just thought "They should have got Eddie Murphy for this."

The Kang in Loki should've been played by this guy:
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"We don't want more people like me! We can't defund the time PO-lice!"

Product Placement said:
With that said, I hope they do Kang in White and Asian face
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They should all be black, except the one in Ant Man who they beat up and exiled. He'd have a yellow visor instead of a blue one. Why they all attacked him would make more sense.
 
Grand Wizard Wakka said:
Seeing all the different Kangs together, I just thought "They should have got Eddie Murphy for this."

The Kang in Loki should've been played by this guy:
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"We don't want more people like me! We can't defund the time PO-lice!"


They should all be black, except the one in Ant Man who they beat up and exiled. He'd have a yellow visor instead of a blue one. Why they all attacked him would make more sense.
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That looks like AI generated uncle Rukus.

Also I might watch the new Ant Man with how ridiculous it sounds.
 
Nick Obre said:
The council of Reeds was introduced in 2009, the council of Kangs in the late 80's. Of course, the Reeds could be the inspiration for the Ricks, but the concept was there with the Kangs first.
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80ies also had a partial meeting of various Captain Britains in the Excalibur comics.
 
I saw the new Antman last night. It was... very middling.
- The pacing is atrocious. It felt like Multiverse of Madness wherein the first 10 minutes feels like a recap and then suddenly the plot kicks off with little buildup.
- The plot is just sorta dumb. It all rests on Janet (Michelle Pfieffer's character) deciding to never tell anyone that a tyrannical madman was trapped in the Quantum Realm, who would do anything to escape it, and Cassie building some weird device that's meant to just map the Quantum Realm... but then somehow magically sucks them into it.
- Cassie was meh. Given the previews for the film, I thought the idea was that her being alone for 5 years during the blip had left her alienated and estranged from her family, turning her into a criminal like her dad was, and Scott being tempted by Kang's time travel to give him a second chance with her. Nope. She's in jail because she's an activist now (luckily they don't go too far with that; no BLM or ACAB crap) and still has a good relationship with everyone. Oh, also she's a genius inventor now, too.

- I did like Scott, though, and Paul Rudd is still great in the role (though he's finally starting to show his age now). He's still the lead hero and never really feels like he's playing sidekick to anyone.
- The world building for the Quantum Realm was okay. Some nice Ditko & Kirby inspired designs.
- Surprisingly, both Janet and Hope don't get much to do during the plot, though the Wasp does get a few decent scenes. I actually thought they'd kill Janet off at some point.

- MODOK's a joke character, though they try to give him an arc but it all fell flat for me. I'd say he was a wasted character that someone else could've used... but given the state of MCU's writers and directors I doubt anyone would've done better with the character.
- Didn't really like Kang. Johnathan Majors is a good actor but he plays Kang as far too twitchy and unstable. I suppose you could make the argument that being stuck in the Quantum Realm has broken him but it still doesn't make for a good Kang. They could've just used a different variant like they did in the Loki series. The writing for him isn't too bad, though, as he's largely characterized as an arrogant manipulator that sees everyone as either insignificant or a stepping stone, but ultimately he's somewhat underwritten and could've used more scenes to flesh him out.
 
The reviewer/fan divide is barely a divide, as even a lot of the fans seem to admit AntMan: Quadrophenia is not great, and a score of under 50% on RT is embarrassing for a movie intended to launch a Marvel phase.

It appears that capeshit and particularly Marvel capeshit fatigue has finally set in, following the aimless "Phase Four" and the glut of content churned out for Disney+, most of it forgettable. It seems a lot of people are getting tired of this shit, even quite a few of those people who went full soyface about movies like Avengers: Endgame. This is potentially crisis news for Disney, but with Bob Iger back in charge everyone at Disney seems to think it's going to be smooth sailing, even as Iger is threatening mulling over more Star Wars content.

So now we're at a point where Disney+ is slashing spending on new series, and Kevin Feige is giving interviews talking about how the lesson he learned from Phase Four was that audiences seem to enjoy entertaining movies. The outlook may not be good for Disney and frankly it's deserved.
 
Commander X said:
The reviewer/fan divide is barely a divide, as even a lot of the fans seem to admit AntMan: Quadrophenia is not great, and a score of under 50% on RT is embarrassing for a movie intended to launch a Marvel phase.

It appears that capeshit and particularly Marvel capeshit fatigue has finally set in, following the aimless "Phase Four" and the glut of content churned out for Disney+, most of it forgettable. It seems a lot of people are getting tired of this shit, even quite a few of those people who went full soyface about movies like Avengers: Endgame. This is potentially crisis news for Disney, but with Bob Iger back in charge everyone at Disney seems to think it's going to be smooth sailing, even as Iger is threatening mulling over more Star Wars content.

So now we're at a point where Disney+ is slashing spending on new series, and Kevin Feige is giving interviews talking about how the lesson he learned from Phase Four was that audiences seem to enjoy entertaining movies. The outlook may not be good for Disney and frankly it's deserved.
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It’s also not much of a divide because people perpetually misinterpret what a Rotten Tomatos score actually means. A 50% critics score and 80% audience score doesn’t mean critics thought it was a 5/10 whereas audiences thought it was an 8/10, which would be a pretty big difference in opinion. All it means is that a larger percentage of the general audiences thought the movie was passable than critics did.
 
Commander X said:
Kevin Feige is giving interviews talking about how the lesson he learned from Phase Four was that audiences seem to enjoy entertaining movies.
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Phase 4 definitely felt like a test to determine whether audiences would consoom Marvel films regardless of their quality. Inexperienced directors & writers, shit-tier characters and laughably bad special effects made getting through most Phase 4 films an absolute chore. To say nothing of the excruciatingly awful Disney+ shows.

My hope is they go back to the drawing board and focus on making fewer, but better, films. Unfortunately, I think rather than acknowledging that Phase 4 was a failure, they're going to blame the china virus and push on with the constant churn of shit product.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Phase 4 definitely felt like a test to determine whether audiences would consoom Marvel films regardless of their quality. Inexperienced directors & writers, shit-tier characters and laughably bad special effects made getting through most Phase 4 films an absolute chore. To say nothing of the excruciatingly awful Disney+ shows.

My hope is they go back to the drawing board and focus on making fewer, but better, films. Unfortunately, I think rather than acknowledging that Phase 4 was a failure, they're going to blame the china virus and push on with the constant churn of shit product.
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You know the expression "If you act like retard long enough, you become a retard"? While you are correct in that the best choice is to go back to the drawing board, there's a line that once crossed, can never be uncrossed. Bioware had this same issue. They fucked around for years, basically destroying their own brand by 2013, and when daddy EA finally put pressure into them to go back to the drawing board to get something decent for a change, they realized that they had bled all of the talent that made Bioware Bioware to begin with. I think Marvel is the same. For years they have been bleeding talent and replacing it with less than stellar figures. I don't think they know what to do except what they've been doing for the last three years.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Phase 4 definitely felt like a test to determine whether audiences would consoom Marvel films regardless of their quality. Inexperienced directors & writers, shit-tier characters and laughably bad special effects made getting through most Phase 4 films an absolute chore. To say nothing of the excruciatingly awful Disney+ shows.

My hope is they go back to the drawing board and focus on making fewer, but better, films. Unfortunately, I think rather than acknowledging that Phase 4 was a failure, they're going to blame the china virus and push on with the constant churn of shit product.
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The only good phase 4 movie was Spiderman No Way Home.
 
God of Nothing said:
Even that had its flaws though.
oh well
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Oh I agree. Pure nostalgia masturbation and "MEMBA GREEN GOBLIN?", but it did have genuine soul throughout, and it didn't feel like Disney shitting out another low effort movie (I know this sounds like hyperbole but trust me it isn't)
I hated phase 4, but SMNWH was the only movie I wasn't disinterested in.
 
I just want to say that Paul Rudd should not deserve all the criticism for the recent Ant-Man movie being the most unwatchable movie to come out of the Marvel universe. Off camera, he seems like a really cool guy, and I think he deserves better.
 
Shang Chi was honestly pretty decent. It's only problems came with the Cgi Dragons and the lead being an insufferable dick behind the scenes
 
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