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Stab You in the Back said:
My hope is they go back to the drawing board and focus on making fewer, but better, films. Unfortunately, I think rather than acknowledging that Phase 4 was a failure, they're going to blame the china virus and push on with the constant churn of shit product.
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Delaying movies to improve upon visual FX is a good start. I wouldn't call Phase 4 a failure in the commercial sense though, considering most projects have decent review scores (with the obvious exceptions of shit like Eternals), but returning to square 1 after such a climactic finish is always going to feel abrupt and frustrating to some.
 
starborn427614 said:
I wouldn't call Phase 4 a failure in the commercial sense though, considering most projects have decent review scores (with the obvious exceptions of shit like Eternals)
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Commercially, every film underperformed at the box office with the exception of Strange MoM (which is, coincidentally, the only phase 4 film I think is any good). Sequels like Black Panther and Thor 4 took massive hits. Black Widow, Shang Chi and Eternals were all dead on arrival. Guardians 3 is going to be the barometer to determine whether the franchise has any staying power, if only because its the last MCU film with the old characters in it.

I know people here love to suck Shang Chi's limp dick, but its a movie with maybe three good scenes towards the beginning, followed by shallow Wuxia "homages" combined with the worst aspects of MCU filmmaking (stupid cameos, overblown special effects, bad writing). Its a film that tries a lot of things, but ultimately does none of them well. I'd sooner praise Eternals for, at the very least, being different from the standard MCU dross.
 
starborn427614 said:
Delaying movies to improve upon visual FX is a good start. I wouldn't call Phase 4 a failure in the commercial sense though, considering most projects have decent review scores (with the obvious exceptions of shit like Eternals), but returning to square 1 after such a climactic finish is always going to feel abrupt and frustrating to some.
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Square 1 would have been an improvement. If they'd hard reset the setting, or fucked off to a different part of the galaxy/another timeline to tell new stories, that would have been one thing. Instead we ended the Infinity saga to start a new story that's basically direction less this far while being larded down by the Infinity saga's leftover baggage. None of the movies stand alone well anymore because they're all connected to the others, leading to loads of questions and continuity problems that wouldn't have otherwise existed. Even if the movie quality stayed constant (it hasn't) the MCU would still be getting crushed under the weight of it's continuity like a beached whale.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Commercially, every film underperformed at the box office with the exception of Strange MoM (which is, coincidentally, the only phase 4 film I think is any good). Sequels like Black Panther and Thor 4 took massive hits. Black Widow, Shang Chi and Eternals were all dead on arrival. Guardians 3 is going to be the barometer to determine whether the franchise has any staying power, if only because its the last MCU film with the old characters in it.
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Maybe critically would've been a better term to use, I know they haven't done as well at the box office due to not releasing in China for a good while. I think that's changing now?

Krokodil Overdose said:
Square 1 would have been an improvement. If they'd hard reset the setting, or fucked off to a different part of the galaxy/another timeline to tell new stories, that would have been one thing. Instead we ended the Infinity saga to start a new story that's basically direction less this far while being larded down by the Infinity saga's leftover baggage. None of the movies stand alone well anymore because they're all connected to the others, leading to loads of questions and continuity problems that wouldn't have otherwise existed. Even if the movie quality stayed constant (it hasn't) the MCU would still be getting crushed under the weight of it's continuity like a beached whale.
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I think they do have to focus on the multiverse saga properly now and move past the snap/blip, there's been more than enough introspection over the course of Phase 4.
 
They should've at the very least started back at square one in terms of build up. Gone back to smaller, personal films to introduce new characters & elements and then slowly build back up to a new franchise-wide threat. Instead, nearly every film so far has been an 'epic' CGI-fest filled with multi-verse travel and ancient evils.
 
starborn427614 said:
I think they do have to focus on the multiverse saga properly now and move past the snap/blip, there's been more than enough introspection over the course of Phase 4.
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That's part of the problem though. They never really addressed the consequences of the blip (especially since most of them have been undone at this point) and just kind of moved on to derping around aimlessly in the multiverse with no clear plan. You know they have no plan because there's no unified set of rules as to how this stuff works: how do "incursions" interact with the quantum realm? Or the resurrected Gamora? If they don't, why can't they just go grab time clones of Tony, Vision, et al? If they do, why isn't the mainline universe melting? Does the events of Loki mean that the TVA doesn't now exist or never existed , in which case Loki should have grandfather paradoxed himself. And so on and so forth. The MCU at this point is in the same place as Dragonball Z in terms of having arbitrarily high power levels and arbitrarily low stakes.

Tor Lugosi said:
They should've at the very least started back at square one in terms of build up. Gone back to smaller, personal films to introduce new characters & elements and then slowly build back up to a new franchise-wide threat. Instead, nearly every film so far has been an 'epic' CGI-fest filled with multi-verse travel and ancient evils.
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Amen. Instead they went with their Star Wars strategy, where you have to have watched all the other stuff to follow the new stuff - and in doing so, they're mimicking the worst features of the source material where eternally expanding continuity means the barrier to entry just keeps getting higher and higher.
 
Jonah Hill poster said:
I just want to say that Paul Rudd should not deserve all the criticism for the recent Ant-Man movie being the most unwatchable movie to come out of the Marvel universe. Off camera, he seems like a really cool guy, and I think he deserves better.
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Yeah, he's always the best part of these movies. It really is baffling how the MCU is going away from character drama... you know, the thing Marvel characters are known for?
 
Mothra1988 said:
I can't wait for MCU Phase 4,000 starring that agressive black woman from Black Panther, Moon Knight and the Fabulous Frogman.
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Krokodil Overdose said:
That's part of the problem though. They never really addressed the consequences of the blip (especially since most of them have been undone at this point) and just kind of moved on to derping around aimlessly in the multiverse with no clear plan. You know they have no plan because there's no unified set of rules as to how this stuff works: how do "incursions" interact with the quantum realm? Or the resurrected Gamora? If they don't, why can't they just go grab time clones of Tony, Vision, et al? If they do, why isn't the mainline universe melting? Does the events of Loki mean that the TVA doesn't now exist or never existed , in which case Loki should have grandfather paradoxed himself. And so on and so forth. The MCU at this point is in the same place as Dragonball Z in terms of having arbitrarily high power levels and arbitrarily low stakes.


Amen. Instead they went with their Star Wars strategy, where you have to have watched all the other stuff to follow the new stuff - and in doing so, they're mimicking the worst features of the source material where eternally expanding continuity means the barrier to entry just keeps getting higher and higher.
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What, you don't like having to keep abreast of what's going on in Marvel comics where it feels like you have to follow a dozen titles and be aware of what feels like dozens of little crossovers as well as big "events" so that the storylines aren't impenetrable to you, and in a year or so the entire line is probably going to be shuttered as they prepare to reboot the whole of it for a new wave of nonsense titles that will get the chop in a year or so as well?
 
Did they confirm Star Lord is going to be killed off in Guardians 3 or is that just a persistent rumor?

I know lots of lefties and sjw types absolutely fucking hate Chris Pratt because he doesn't hate white people and goes to church or something.
 
Sniperwoof said:
Did they confirm Star Lord is going to be killed off in Guardians 3 or is that just a persistent rumor?

I know lots of lefties and sjw types absolutely fucking hate Chris Pratt because he doesn't hate white people and goes to church or something.
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rumor I heard is Drax and Rocket die, and the movie sets up a new team at the end. No idea if thats true, but can't see Marvel ending the movies even with James Gunn leaving, so the new team make sense to me.
 
Product Placement said:
rumor I heard is Drax and Rocket die, and the movie sets up a new team at the end. No idea if thats true, but can't see Marvel ending the movies even with James Gunn leaving, so the new team make sense to me.
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Rocket is definitely out, otherwise Gunn's leaving the MCU with the biggest bait and switch we've seen in a while. Drax is also a certainty just because of Batista's comments recently. Gamora is an interesting topic, because she could very easily not hook up with Starlord and just go off on her own again.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Amen. Instead they went with their Star Wars strategy, where you have to have watched all the other stuff to follow the new stuff - and in doing so, they're mimicking the worst features of the source material where eternally expanding continuity means the barrier to entry just keeps getting higher and higher.
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This was already a criticism of the Infinity Stone saga, when most of the movies were seen as good to decent. In a way I think their "Marvel burnout" excuse for why less people are watching is correct, audiences are going to check out if they have to watch more and more garbage to catch up on the new movies.
 
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Seems like Steve's collecting some superhero credentials. He's also the voice of Mark Grayson/Invincible in the show of the same name.

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Apparently his role will be "significant and integral to the future of the MCU." Maybe he's Sentry?
 
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Xerxes IX said:
This was already a criticism of the Infinity Stone saga, when most of the movies were seen as good to decent. In a way I think their "Marvel burnout" excuse for why less people are watching is correct, audiences are going to check out if they have to watch more and more garbage to catch up on the new movies.
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I don't think it's any one thing but rather the cumulation of all the things. Burnout, declining quality, increasing complexity of the storyline and now needing to follow it across multiple platforms... death by a thousand cuts.

starborn427614 said:
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Seems like Steve's collecting some superhero credentials. He's also the voice of Mark Grayson/Invincible in the show of the same name.
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As who, fucking Jolt? She was the only major Asian t-bolts member.
 
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