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As a guinea pig person I fucking hate snakes and the reptile community in general because they can't stop feeding live guineas to their snakes

They're not even good for snakes, per the snake people I know
 
mindlessobserver said:
Behold the hubris of man. Spending millions of dollars and the peak of medical technology to save the life of someone who is too stupid too live. I hope they don't find a donor for him. Kidneys are hard to come by and there are far more deserving people who aren't dumb enough to man handle an Australian nope rope.
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Giving it to an alcoholic with cirrhosis would make more sense.
glass_houses said:
The Kentucky Reptile Zoo is being review bombed for refusing to provide antivenom to this arrogant mong.
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Fuck these idiots. They actually need to have it around since they have legitimate business dealing with these snakes. So they're just supposed to risk one of their own employees dying because some dumb criminal piece of shit owned an illegal snake and tarded out and got bit?
Dyn said:
All snakes should be murdered on sight.
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Kingsnakes are completely harmless to people and nonvenomous, and they eat other snakes.
 
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The I Scream Man said:
As a guinea pig person I fucking hate snakes and the reptile community in general because they can't stop feeding live guineas to their snakes

They're not even good for snakes, per the snake people I know
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Back when I was into reptiles the general consensus in pretty much every community is anyone who feeds live food over frozen are faggots and even worse if you film it, the exception was from snakes who would simply not take frozen which is stupidly rare anyway.

Of course we now live in a more different time than 11 years ago so its no longer edgy stoners with a ball python feeding their slugsnake a mouse from petco but its gay ass pet ecelebs doing it for CONTENT.
 
Fucking with young snakes is a retards game.
tl;dr venom is "expensive" for a snake to produce. Minus complete fucking asshole snakes like Mambas/Boomslangs/Browns/Cottonmouths, if an adult snake thinks it can scare you off with a dry-bite, it will dry bite. I had a friend who had a couple of rattlesnakes (I forget the species, it was the chill ones) he milked for venom, he had a couple of big bois they were so comfortable around him he had a hard time getting them to produce and had to work the glands for them to squirt in the cup so he could get paid.

Everything is big and scary to a baby snek, and as a evolutionary response they will usually dump their whole venom load when they feel they are attacked (i.e. whatever ate them will hopefully be too dead or at least sick to eat their brothers and sisters) + they usually are too small to be able to eat anything they need to poison. So fucking with a juvenile snake is almost certain to end with you envenomed.

I am only sad that modern medicine save this retard and that all of his snakes got gassed when only a couple of them deserved it.
 
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Dyn said:
All snakes should be murdered on sight.
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Had a neighbour who believed the same thing when I was a kid. We also had a huge wild python who'd made her territory on our block for a number of years, but we only saw her tracks. One day she got careless and was seen, and our neighbour cut off her head with a shovel. Three weeks later, our block ended up with a massive mouse plague that lasted over a month.

Dyn said:
I'm not some snake genius who can identify every snake in the world, anytime I see something smaller than a python I murder it.
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You go near my whip snakes or tree snakes, and it'll be shovel time for you, you prick.
 
The I Scream Man said:
As a guinea pig person I fucking hate snakes and the reptile community in general because they can't stop feeding live guineas to their snakes

They're not even good for snakes, per the snake people I know
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Not saying you should like snakes or anything, I just want to add that there's very little reason to feed live animals at all to the point where it's prohibited in some countries.
Almost any snake will do fine eating dead prey if they're used to it and the ones that aren't can get used to it with some patience and effort.

From what I understand people that do it are either pretty clueless and think it's "natural" ( it's about as natural as throwing some domesticated goat into a lion enclosure with no escape and on top of that a fighting prey animal may get the snake hurt as well ) , too lazy to go through the effort, or worse there seem to be channels that do it for an audience that gets a kick out of seeing small animals being killed.
Gives me monkey torture vibes tbh.
 
LOWERCASE LETTERS said:
I don't believe snakes even have the wiring to be affectionate. They are even dumber than mice.
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Affection probably not but they can see us as safe and the person who feeds them and have a preference towards individual people.

glass_houses said:
Three weeks later, our block ended up with a massive mouse plague that lasted over a month.
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Where I live is rural australia and behind my house is a giant rape seed farm so we get mice for sure, but this also means we get snakes, but then it also means we get lots of predatory birds like crows always hanging around in the large trees and on phone writes

The crows keep the snakes away from my property and the snakes keep away mice.
I also have a large stumpy that ive seen for the last couple summers now and a blue tongue, also saw a tiny monitor several months back. all this is great signs my house is not going to be invaded totally by mice if another plague hits.
 
I rushed over here ready to laugh at a stupid retarded fucking around and finding out then I read the snakes got put down and now I'm sad. Animals shouldn't be punished for the retardation of their owners.
 
Culled said:
From what I understand people that do it are either pretty clueless and think it's "natural" ( it's about as natural as throwing some domesticated goat into a lion enclosure with no escape and on top of that a fighting prey animal may get the snake hurt as well ) , too lazy to go through the effort, or worse there seem to be channels that do it for an audience that gets a kick out of seeing small animals being killed.
Gives me monkey torture vibes tbh
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From what I understand, there are snakes that struggle with pre killed prey. In my country, live feeding illegal (although it happens anyway) and in theory it's not so much of a problem because commercially available animals can't be taken from the wild, and don't know any better.

However, if you watch Viper Keeper on yt, many of his animals were taken from the wild and refuse pre killed prey. He's said multiple times that he hates this aspect of care and refuses to film it.

Viper Keeper is a mad lad, but he does give every indication that he knows what he's doing and cares for his danger noodles. As well as the animals he keeps privately, he works in a professional zoo with their animals. I can't say that I'm good with the idea of taking animals from the wild, but for many of species, it's the only way to research them or create antivenom.
 
mindlessobserver said:
I was on a hike one time and a black snake rolled down the side of the mountain and landed on the trail right beside me. I didn't even think. I just jumped and screamed. It was such an instant thing too. Didn't even process why I did it since I only saw it drop in peripherally. It was such a primal reaction too. No thought process at all. Once my higher functions caught up and I realized it was just a harmless black snake it seemed pretty silly.

On the other hand it could have just as easily been a rattler. So yeah.
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Anyone who hasn’t experienced this (I had something similar on a Boy Scout hike years ago) has no real idea what instinctive action is. It’s fucking mind bending - you are outside your body watching it do things you had no idea about.

🐍 can be cool but they can be cool somewhere far from me or on the other side of very thick glass.
 
glass_houses said:
From what I understand, there are snakes that struggle with pre killed prey. In my country, live feeding illegal (although it happens anyway) and in theory it's not so much of a problem because commercially available animals can't be taken from the wild, and don't know any better.

However, if you watch Viper Keeper on yt, many of his animals were taken from the wild and refuse pre killed prey. He's said multiple times that he hates this aspect of care and refuses to film it.
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There ARE, but that seems to largely be an issue with keepers not starting off with dead prey to begin with when they hatch.
I can certainly see there being problems with wild caught animals, however it's really not what your average snake keeper has to worry about, or should live feed their captive bred ball python over.
There's thousands upon thousands of snake breeders and no one should take animals from the wild save for actual professionals with very good reason such as species conservation efforts or something like antivenom research/creation if there is absolutely no other means to do so (and it sounds like the person you're talking about falls under that umbrella).
I'd say that is a very different scenario than some random shmuck just doing it bc they want to.

Edit: Weird wording on my end
 
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Well, it's three hours later and I feel fully qualified to lecture others on the Internet about venomous snakes.

While we wait for news, have you seen this guy's Facebook pictures?

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I was going to say he reminds me a bit of Jack Scalfani, but now he's partially paralyzed and basically near death, he reminds me a lot of Jack Scalfani.
 
There is a the death by lolbertarianism and letting Darwin sort them out approach.

But I think there needs to be some sort of licensure and insurance for amateurs owning particularly venomous snakes.

And if not insurance, a funded antivenom bank so that each city has the antivenom available when needed.

Licensure, even on a private level might help amateurs decide who they are willing to sell dangerous snakes to.

What might licensure entail?

* A tested minimum level of understanding of each venomous snake's behavior and the proper way to handle and keep each snake.
* Knowledge of proper enclosures so that the snakes do not escape. * Knowledge of proper care and feeding of these snakes.
* Evidence of caring for snakes for a certain amount of time prior to licensing the ownership of a more venomous snake.
* A conscientious test to make sure you are not a fuck nut who will screw things up because you cannot pay attention to detail and keep up a proper care regime.
* Have a game plan for how the snakes will be cared for in case you are incapacitated (i.e. a buddy system).
* Feeding & behavior logs.
* Post accident evaluation after accidents. Think of the light version of the TSA has for flight accidents. So people know what went wrong, Add to the knowledge base of how to avoid problems.
* Revocation of the licensure if you fuck up.
 
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Aren't inland taipans native to Australia? How did this freak get one?
I hope he dies. Exotic pet illegal traders should all die from their pets.
 
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