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I never thought I'd see the herpetological equivalent of the Navy Seals copypasta, but here we are.
🐮 Lolcow Jeffrey Leibowitz / Not Dead Yet
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I've been getting into aquatic shit recently since I wanted to set up a nano shrimp tank for my cat to watch and maybe get a pea puffer down the line.
Reading about how its not just fish but the plants that become invasive as well is just fucking insane, retards are dumping their plants down the toilet and sink or even into lakes causing outbreaks of random new invasive plants like duckweed or hairmoss that just strangles the water of sun and oxygen killing off fish.
Somewhat related to the whole pet tuber thing, from what I've seen of the more fish type people who do like Aquascaping they seem kinda alright in general, most like have multiple tanks they keep for like 6 months or so then tear one down and rebuilt for content which is fine. Not sure about the people who keep big fish and stuff they might fall into the "WOOOW I NEGLECTED MY TANK AND NOW ITS BAD LETS FIX IT" type.
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I have a turkey that just hangs out in my driveway all day and I throw cat kibble and seed out for him, am I disrupting the ecosystem here in doing so? He's a loner much like myself, so would that still be upsetting the natural balance of nature if he literally has no interaction with other wildlife?
I fuckin love Turkov, he's a docile and beautiful dood.
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You missed the "apology for some real or perceived animal neglect video" and the "accuse another creator of real or perceived animal neglect video." There is more drama in that sector than you might expect.
There a few that do find ways to continue making good content, although you have certainly identified the average life cycle.
The best I have found:
#1 Clints Reptiles - Squeaky clean Utah type but with a sense of humor , super knowledgeable and professional and is a zoologist or something equivalent. His unique content is Phylogenies (this evolved from that which is related to this....), also standard pet reviews (with a really smart scoring system) but he has been doing them so long and acquired so much clout that he can go to the aquarium and review the penguins. There is also some '2010 atheist debate bro' shit in there somewhere and critiques of animal deathmatch books for children. He stays relevant by being a better naturist than anyone else in the sphere and taking the job seriously.
#2 Serpa Design - The fucking king. His content is a slow drip because there is so much effort involved but it's always good, tutorials, tours, builds. He is so talented, a real zen mufucka. When I was laid up I would pop my codeine and watch him till I fell asleep. He is definitely in the 'more animals' trap but to get around it most of the builds are just small fish or plants/water features only.... so he is more limited by space than anything. He survives by being a terrarium god.
#3 Fish For Thought - Endless fishtank reviews. He is basically a parasite existing off tiktok shorts of tortured betafish. He is a bit of a zoom-y bugman but the low key Feng Shui and the emphasis is on design/understocking is just what you want from a guy who critiques fish tanks. He survives off of fish drama and corey memes.
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Keep feeding your turkey bruh, it must be a domestic one anyway.
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Current standard is usually thermostat + heating pad on the side of the cage (or using the whole heating tape/rack system combo if you're a breeding snakefag). Theory is it makes it easier for the reptile to thermoregulate if they can just move away vs. having to find a way to get off the ground. Also some reptiles will try to burrow to escape heat which works in the wild but not in cages with heated bottoms.
I think it's kind of hard to distinguish heat and UV lamps from a video though.
In a maybe interesting aside for years nocturnal reptile keepers/snakefags resisted the idea that you should have UV lighting for them even though they mostly don't need it if you are keeping their diet balanced. Current opinion is that you should do it anyway and let them decide if they care or not since it might have health benefits and isn't expensive and is much more naturalistic.
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This guy irritates me at best and gives me the creeps at worst. He reminds me very much of Simon Whistler in... well, pretty much everything. The fact that it takes him at least half the runtime of any of his videos to get to the fucking point- again like Whistler- does not help.
I also strongly recommend that you add Viper Keeper to that list. He's mad, but he is extremely transparent about everything that goes into keeping venomous reptiles, and works with snakes on a professional basis as well as private.
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Clint's great. I believe he is currently teaching at Utah Valley University but he also runs a reptile petting zoo in Springville, Utah.
The evolution debatebro stuff probably seems dated to most people in the world. However, in Utah higher education institutions are in a constant battle where biology and other science departments (including at BYU) are pitted against other departments and the administrations over the right to teach evolution as a fact.
Also, if you're in Florida and happen to catch a wild tegu, let me know.
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Sorry, I sometimes forget that other countries don't have government employees that are on call 24/7 and are paid to remove and relocate venomous snakes and other dangerous reptiles that find their way into human dwellings.
Carry on being American, I guess.
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I had to look up Whistler and I hate that guy. He is so smug, but I also know that he is a total grifter and I have seen him regurgitate some dipshit science news. Clint just has this 2 cups too many energy level and need to nature sperg that can barely be contained by his Mid-Western-ness. He does remind me of like a Disney World tour guide or a 6th grade science teacher sometimes though, I get that it can be grating/condescending.
I will check out this Viper guy but truth be told I'm not really much into the hot stuff. I have the fantasy of building a kickass vivarium myself one day with masterful execution after watching 2000 hours of youtube about it... not watching my organs shut down one by one or experiencing the sensation of bleeding out of every hole.
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we just shoot snakes my guy
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Weak. You don't even have a single species in the top ten.
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I am averse of pet tubers in general, but exotic pet tubers are the most retarded people ever. And of those, the venomous exotic pet tubers are known to have room temperature IQ.
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Say what you want about freedom burger land, but snakes such as the taipans and mambas should never be owned as a hobby. These venomous snakes from other continents have a very limited amount of antivenom available in the americas, and these are usually reserved for professionals that need to interact with the snakes daily in zoos or research labs. So each time one of these brainless fucks gets bitten and gets dozens of doses it creates a risk for the actual workers dealing with these animals professionally.
And if the animal gets sick or has issues beyond your knowledge, no exotics vet here will want to risk even opening the container without an antiserum readily available, let alone examining it. If you get bitten the snakes will most likely be killed too, as it happened in this case.
Getting these animals is just dooming yourself to be bitten, and dooming the snakes to suffer from bad handling, diseases and euthanasia because no one wants to deal with this shit.
And if the animal gets sick or has issues beyond your knowledge, no exotics vet here will want to risk even opening the container without an antiserum readily available, let alone examining it. If you get bitten the snakes will most likely be killed too, as it happened in this case.
Getting these animals is just dooming yourself to be bitten, and dooming the snakes to suffer from bad handling, diseases and euthanasia because no one wants to deal with this shit.
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...yeah.
I'm sure it was actually the police that planted the cat feces, rotten meat and spoiled food in the apartment as well.
What a cunt.
I'm not much of a chimp fan either, but it's not rly fair to blame the animal here.
People that decide to get "pet apes" are just retarded.
It's well known they can be extremely dangerous and they're WAY stronger than your average person.
Ofc the incident wasn't Nash's fault, but if ppl want to blame someone for it, the braindead person that got a "pet chimp", dressed it like a wittle hooman and gave him xanax in an attempt to keep him sedated and from tearing up the place is where it's at.
No one in their right mind would blame a bear for ripping off the head of someone that thought it was a rly good idea to have a pet bear and put a little hat on it either.
Anyway,
Chandler and his council of fags ( idk who any of these ppl are xcept Chandler ) weigh in on the Jeff situation.
Haven't watched it yet but I'm sure it's very insightful.
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Trying not to a-log or power level, where I grew up had an anti venom supplier lab, they used to send Border Security from New Zealand over to train them in snake handling/ capture because NZ doesn’t have snakes, they do get them in shipping containers etc and need to know how to handle them.
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I've only just learned about this guy but from the pictures alone I get what you mean. It's his eyes.
Is he a Mormon?
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Well we're getting into the old debate about if keeping exotic animals is okay or not or where the line should be drawn
It's funny because it's the same thing that happens in other cow threads like the lolicon debate and shit
I guess I'm not helping with my fascistic no fun allowed beliefs when it comes to keeping exotics or even feeding racoons.
I'll just clarify this, the reason I'm so radical on this issue is the similarities to CP when you see the bigger picture.
The legality of keeping exotic animals creates and perpetuates a black market and is a nasty plant, the root is poaching, the stem is smuggling, the leaves are breeding in captivity and the fruit is retard owners.
The main complaint from people in the "hobby" when an incident like this with motherfucking Jeffrey "Antivenon is for pussies" Leibowitz is that "Oh no the ignorant naysayers and regulators are going to use this to take away people's collections and entire businesses could close and it will affect people! And we're not all like that!"
It's always self serving, let's worry about us and be empathetic about our animals in captivity and people's livelihoods. But everyone choses to ignore or to remain oblivious to the very fucked up implications of the logistics of how that animal is even there, either with you, available for purchase near you or killing some dipshit that was free handling it.
Just don't bring it up, don't think about it, bring up MUH RESPONSIBLE KEEPERS, say that you know the origins of the animal!
>Someone trusted in the hobby got their hands on one of those and it's for sale.
okay how did he get it?
>Uhhhhhh
>Nah dude someone breeds them locally!
okay where did the 2 original specimens to start breeding them came from?
>Someone got their hands on them
oh so no smuggling then huh?
>Uhhhhhhh
When we talk reptiles specifically we already fucked up ball pythons and bearded dragons, those 2 are so fucking retarded that is probably okay to keep them because it's unlikely they'll survive out there.
I like to be 0 tolerance but I can be persuaded to admit keeping those is probably fine, the issue is that it's never enough.
Ball pythons and bearded dragons? those are fucking boring! Lemme get something prettier and rarer! It never fucking ends.
Then we get people like @Col saying "oh my gosh just say you heckin' hate animalerinos already, imagine killing them instead of like ummm releasing them in the wild because that's something that can totally be done or like ummm sending them to a heckin' wildlife pace that will totally take care of them! oh my gosh!"
Nah nigga it's fucking final solution here! execute the fuckers. Loving animals is not trying to save a few dozen snakes that were never even meant to be on that part of the world anyway. And if killing the confiscated snakes also hurts/kills the "hobby" well fucking great! there's no demand and the black market starves, and guess what you're saving THOUSANDS of specimens that die every fucking month at customs in airports all over the world.
Listen I get that snakes, arachnids and shit like big cats are cool and we're all trads who want to pet animals that make us feel some type of way, feel a connection or something. But knowing the broad implications of shit like this from feeding/"saving" wildlife to where exotic animals really come from is blackpilling.
In the end you accept that admiring animals and nature should be done without owning it or that degree of direct contact, that the main feeling driving the hobby is not passion for those animals but rather selfishness.
Or you keep doing what you do, just ignore it next time your trusted exotic store or The Guy in the telegram group says he got this cool new couple of bright blue geckos from tanzania and is selling juveniles, the ones YOU are buying say "bred in captivity" in the description so you have some degree of separation from all the hundreds of geckos that died on a plane inside a fucking plastic zippy bag, plus you're gonna take care of your geckos, you're a responsible keeper so don't feel bad.
It's funny because it's the same thing that happens in other cow threads like the lolicon debate and shit
I guess I'm not helping with my fascistic no fun allowed beliefs when it comes to keeping exotics or even feeding racoons.
I'll just clarify this, the reason I'm so radical on this issue is the similarities to CP when you see the bigger picture.
The legality of keeping exotic animals creates and perpetuates a black market and is a nasty plant, the root is poaching, the stem is smuggling, the leaves are breeding in captivity and the fruit is retard owners.
The main complaint from people in the "hobby" when an incident like this with motherfucking Jeffrey "Antivenon is for pussies" Leibowitz is that "Oh no the ignorant naysayers and regulators are going to use this to take away people's collections and entire businesses could close and it will affect people! And we're not all like that!"
It's always self serving, let's worry about us and be empathetic about our animals in captivity and people's livelihoods. But everyone choses to ignore or to remain oblivious to the very fucked up implications of the logistics of how that animal is even there, either with you, available for purchase near you or killing some dipshit that was free handling it.
Just don't bring it up, don't think about it, bring up MUH RESPONSIBLE KEEPERS, say that you know the origins of the animal!
>Someone trusted in the hobby got their hands on one of those and it's for sale.
okay how did he get it?
>Uhhhhhh
>Nah dude someone breeds them locally!
okay where did the 2 original specimens to start breeding them came from?
>Someone got their hands on them
oh so no smuggling then huh?
>Uhhhhhhh
When we talk reptiles specifically we already fucked up ball pythons and bearded dragons, those 2 are so fucking retarded that is probably okay to keep them because it's unlikely they'll survive out there.
I like to be 0 tolerance but I can be persuaded to admit keeping those is probably fine, the issue is that it's never enough.
Ball pythons and bearded dragons? those are fucking boring! Lemme get something prettier and rarer! It never fucking ends.
Then we get people like @Col saying "oh my gosh just say you heckin' hate animalerinos already, imagine killing them instead of like ummm releasing them in the wild because that's something that can totally be done or like ummm sending them to a heckin' wildlife pace that will totally take care of them! oh my gosh!"
Nah nigga it's fucking final solution here! execute the fuckers. Loving animals is not trying to save a few dozen snakes that were never even meant to be on that part of the world anyway. And if killing the confiscated snakes also hurts/kills the "hobby" well fucking great! there's no demand and the black market starves, and guess what you're saving THOUSANDS of specimens that die every fucking month at customs in airports all over the world.
Listen I get that snakes, arachnids and shit like big cats are cool and we're all trads who want to pet animals that make us feel some type of way, feel a connection or something. But knowing the broad implications of shit like this from feeding/"saving" wildlife to where exotic animals really come from is blackpilling.
In the end you accept that admiring animals and nature should be done without owning it or that degree of direct contact, that the main feeling driving the hobby is not passion for those animals but rather selfishness.
Or you keep doing what you do, just ignore it next time your trusted exotic store or The Guy in the telegram group says he got this cool new couple of bright blue geckos from tanzania and is selling juveniles, the ones YOU are buying say "bred in captivity" in the description so you have some degree of separation from all the hundreds of geckos that died on a plane inside a fucking plastic zippy bag, plus you're gonna take care of your geckos, you're a responsible keeper so don't feel bad.
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Speaking of pet chimps, it's odd how keeping them as pets isn't legally treated like having a slave.
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The one and only time I ever killed an animal that wasn't for food I was 8 and there was a rattler in the stable with the horses so I grabbed the manure shovel without thinking and brought it down full force as close to his head as I could manage like my grandma taught me. I remember everyone was really complimentary about my bravery and clear thinking in an emergency but it definitely wasn't bravery or clear thinking. Completely acting on autopilot and I felt sick when it was over.
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"In the western world," pets are nearly as coddled as children. We refer to them as "fur babies" and people will spend tens of thousands on cancer treatment for an ancient pet with leukemia. If a man systematically murders his entire family, people are like "oh, no".....until they find out that he shot the dog, too, then they flip out. Only in the west would you have an "Animal Liberation Front" breaking into labs and factory farms to reveal how awful they are. People who love cats and think they should be outdoors fight with people who love the wild birds that are killed by the cats.
Nobody gives a shit about factory farms outside of "the West." Nobody gives a shit about vivisection in China. The only reason anyone cares about cows in India is because of religion. "The West" isn't where people have a reputation for cooking housecats or dogs, or fucking sheep or shaved orangutans.