🐮 Lolcow Jeffrey Leibowitz / Not Dead Yet

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MunsterCheeseJr said:
There is a the death by lolbertarianism and letting Darwin sort them out approach.

But I think there needs to be some sort of licensure and insurance for amateurs owning particularly venomous snakes.

And if not insurance, a funded antivenom bank so that each city has the antivenom available when needed.

Licensure, even on a private level might help amateurs decide who they are willing to sell dangerous snakes to.

What might licensure entail?

* A tested minimum level of understanding of each venomous snake's behavior and the proper way to handle and keep each snake.
* Knowledge of proper enclosures so that the snakes do not escape. * Knowledge of proper care and feeding of these snakes.
* Evidence of caring for snakes for a certain amount of time prior to licensing the ownership of a more expensive snake.
* A continuous test to make sure you are not a fuck nut who will screw things up because you cannot pay attention to detail and keep up a proper care regime.
* Have a game plan for how the snakes will be cared for in case you are incapacitated (i.e. a buddy system).
* Feeding & behavior logs.
* Post accident evaluation after accidents. Think of the light version of the TSA has for flight accidents. So people know what went wrong, Add to the knowledge base of how to avoid problems.
* Revocation of the licensure if you fuck up.
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I have a simpler solution
>No one outside of zoos/research facilities/universities can possess venomous snakes in the US

And in the event that someone has a cobra illegally and gets snakebit, instead of giving them anti venom we film their death as a cautionary tale.

I say this as a snake liker, the county just nuked a bakers dozen of his "pets". If your licensure program was real before this incident Mr liebowitz would 100% have gotten said license You don't need venomous snakes as pets, certainly not dozens of them.

I would allow a religious exemption for christian snake handlers, but they are bared from receiving anti venom as well because of God's will. If your Preacher gets bit by a rattlesnake he was a sinner; that's just science.
 
Culled said:
Yeah, I do.
I had heard about it from Clint's Reptiles ( He seems like one of the better/more responsible channels overall, even though he had that Chandler idiot on his Black Mamba episode and also got one of the wobble Pythons iirc).
Fucked situation all around and if I remember correctly that Coffee guy made a serious effort to rehome all the snakes he could but there were just too many of them for the time he had. I really hated the attitude these officers displayed and feel bad for the snakes.


I didn't watch all of his videos, not even close, but he always seemed very "animal well being first". He's considered controversial?
Probably doesn't matter much anymore since he stopped doing reptile content after his business went broke, but surprising to me regardless.
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I would trust Clint over pretty much any other Reptile tuber. He has some serious Darwinian flavor autism if you watch his random phylogeny videos (you can''t get shit like this outside of a uni lecture) or his morph breeding episode. His flavor of grift is "help keep my reptile zoo open!", "help me move my reptile zoo!", "Clint's Reptile Room is in trouble!", "we have to move again!".... and most of these guys make ''burnout videos' because they take on reptiles in crazy numbers to make content and bitching about how much work it is, is also content. Snake Discovery is also good ( but I won't watch her because I caught a dem campaign sign hiding in one of her vids) and Serpa Design is the best terrarium guy hands down. There was also a professional Ball Breeder who was pretty interesting (but I can't remember his name).

The wobble thing with spiders and champagnes and all those lines is so controversial. It doesn't seem to cause pain, it seems to increase appetite (ball owners hate throwing out thawed mice)... and there are really bad cases and really mild cases... but at the same time if you were breeding people would you choose Cleetus MacSisterSleeper or Mohammad Bin'Cousinfuckin to be your sire? I wouldn't.
 
This makes me so angry his snakes had to be euthanize for being snakes. Poor guys.

I don't wish death on anybody, but my god if anybody had it coming... Inland Taipans are good boyes. Just give them their space and they'll leave you be. Wildly irresponsible to handle them.

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On our farm during harvest we use silo bags, which are basically massive plastic sausages that hold your grain (wheat, barley etc) in the paddock/ field until it’s time to move it. This is from unloading one truck full (40 tonnes) of grain, the snakes live underneath because it’s warm. Where we are there aren’t non-venomous pythons, every one of these bastards can and will kill you.
 

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Dirty Larry said:
So he got bit on Saturday, and he’s still (presumably) not dead yet? I would have thought a bite like that would have been fatal pretty quickly. Would anti-venom even do anything for him at this point, or is the damage already done?
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Not sure on the types of venom since some make you bleed from your ears and eyes and others just rot away your flesh but people have died months later from the flesh rotting type because it simply cannot be stopped
 
Popper Whiting said:
Most likely a dry bite, which is why he's most likely still breathing. Meaning the snake didn't inject a full dose of venom. The elapids can do this. You still get venom in the bite due to it being in the fangs, but if the snake doesn't commit to injecting the venom you'll only get a minute amount compare to a committed wet bite (too much time on my part spent on snake risk assessment for mine sites). My guess is Jeff got a dry bite as a warning, and the little bit of venom he got has done the damage. Pure speculation on my part because by all rights given what I've read on the Inland Taipan if it was a full committed bite he should already be dead.
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It was in no way a "dry bite". If you go back and actually watch the videos, the taipan was a small, sickly juvenile and didn't carry the same venom loading as an adult. If the moron had fucked with a full sized taipan he'd absolutely be dead now.

@TractorGirl you should get in contact with the Bundie rum people. They like taipans and cane toads in their sugar cane mix, gives the rum a kick.
 
Culled said:
TLDR: I'm shocked we don't hear about these ppl ending up dead way more often.
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Unfortunately we have an enormous industry of extremely intelligent and highly trained people in labs and hospitals whose job it is to keep people alive who a lot of the time really don’t deserve it.
 
grey area said:
It's crazy to me some of the wildlife people can amass in certain US states, especially species not native to the country. It's fucked up that people keep big cats like tigers and other exotic animals for their own selfish desires. I give the shelters that inevitably care for these animals when their owners get arrested, abscond, or die due respect and you should support all wildlife rehabilitation and rescue.

Separate incident, but seeing that video of FWC euthanizing the wrong snake (pregnant boa that was legally possessed) and not putting it out of its misery like it was some oopsie doodle while it writhes in pain for 20 minutes in the background was horrific.

Warning: snake necropsy from above incident
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Gxkga_ZPas
Anyway, this stupid fuck got what he deserved. As mentioned, an inland taipan would definitely be illegally obtained. Australia's biosecurity laws are some of the most stringent in the world, but in NSW I believe with the highest class of permit these can be privately owned. Chances are high some of those people facilitate the trade. Commercial export of live native animals is banned in Australia.
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That's downright evil is that Jeffrey? The fucker killed multiple innocent animals. I would love for a boa or python to wrap around and constrict him to death. Revenge for mama snake and her babies!
 
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