Is Disney's magic spell wearing off?

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Accountant Kit Parfitt has no illusions about the variable quality of some of Disney's recent Marvel Studios' releases.

The She-Hulk and Moon Knight mini-series were weak, he says. The Thor: Love and Thunder film even worse. "Not re-watchable."

But the 27-year-old, a self-described "massive" Disney fan who lives near Brighton, says those disappointments won't keep him from cinemas this month, when the franchise's latest - Ant-Man and the Wasp - debuts.

"When it comes to Marvel, Star Wars, I'll watch anything," he says.

That's the kind of commitment that Disney is banking on as it tries to forge a profitable path in a world of falling cinema sales, pay TV cancellations and money-losing online streaming.

Boss Bob Iger, who was reinstalled in November after the abrupt ousting of chief executive Bob Chapek, told investors this month that the company would be doubling down on its big brands like Marvel and Frozen, time-tested profit-makers, while slashing spending on more risky "general entertainment" fare.

There's a new Little Mermaid, another Indiana Jones and a third Guardians of the Galaxy on deck this year.

Toy Story 5, Frozen III and a second Zootopia, known as Zootropolis in the UK, will come after that.

The moves are a gamble that the strategy that Mr Iger oversaw during his first run as chief executive from 2005 through 2020, when he acquired Marvel, Pixar and Lucasfilm and the firm's share price increased more than sixfold, will continue to work its magic.

He even said the company would step back from its streaming push a bit, looking more to cinemas and traditional television to distribute material than it has in recent years, when it sent content to its Disney+ streaming service in a push to win subscribers.

Will the traditional playbook be enough?

Jessica Reif Ehrlich, an analyst at Bank of America, says the resonance of Disney's brands give it a leg up on its competitors, but investors have yet to be convinced.

Disney's share price has nearly halved since March 2021, and did not move much after Mr Iger outlined his plans.

"Everyone knows there are a tonne of challenges," she says. "There's a lot of heavy lifting ahead."

Fan fatigue?

Cinema ticket sales remain roughly a third lower than they were in 2019, before the pandemic closed theatres around the world.

And the rise of streaming has fractured audiences, making it difficult to generate the kind of buzz that propels people to pay for entertainment.

Oxfordshire mum-of-two Jackie Allen says she opted against a Disney+ subscription for her two children, unconvinced the offering justified adding another expense. The company's upcoming slate does not excite her much either.

"It looks like they're rehashing something just to make money rather than whether it should be made," she says.

Even committed fans like Kit will confess to some fatigue.

Speaking to me among the mix of tourists and locals browsing Disney's cavernous store in Manhattan's Times Square, he says Disney's recent action films such as Avatar can reliably lure him to the cinema.

But wife Andrea, who walked down the aisle to a song from Disney/Pixar 2009 film Up, worries the lengthy backstories that come from developing a franchise like Marvel can be off-putting to new audiences.

And both say they feel little urgency to see something like a Toy Story 5.

Not only are the couple more inclined to stay at home with the cost-of-living rising, but they are generally growing tired of the tale after four films and a spin-off.

"Milking something to number five is a bit much," Kit says.

The charge that Disney relies too heavily on recycling and reworking classics is nothing new.

After all, the firm is gearing up for the ninth version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs since the first one debuted in 1937.

But in recent years the strategy, which has fuelled decades of success, has become entangled in America's increasingly bitter culture wars, with some updates driving accusations from conservatives that the firm is becoming too "woke".

Last year's release of Lightyear, a spin-off of Toy Story, for example, was clouded by controversy over a same-sex kiss, which the company restored after employees accused the firm of censoring gay affection.

Banned completely in some markets, the film's same-sex plotline also drew criticism from right-wing politicians such as US Senator Ted Cruz.

Despite the risks of alienating some fans, the profit-making potential of a franchise strategy has been proven, says Janet Wasko, professor of media studies at University of Oregon and the author of Disney Inc.

"It is in some ways risky, but building on already existing fans and consumers and expanding what possibilities they have to consume - if it's successful, it really can be incredibly profitable," she says. "I can't imagine they will stop."

Disney fan Amanda Welch, 29, a subscriber to the firm's streaming platform who has been to Disney World more than 10 times, says the company's strategy of going back to its big-hitting brands has done little to dim her love of Disney.

She and fiance Brandon Dumont, 31, have cancelled the service a few times to help manage their expenses. But they keep coming back. Sometimes they turn on Disney+ simply to soothe them to sleep.

"There's not really any Disney movie I'm sick of," Brandon says. "I could watch them over and over."

BBC News
 
The original Snow White, you feel like there was a sweatshop with 20 nerds wearing white collared shirts all having to prove themselves by drawing Sneezy Dwarf literally a thousand times and getting reamed in front of the others if they fucked it up.

You know someone spent hours deciding what exact color Bambi's fur was going to be and enforcing that. Then coming up with all the colors that were going to be used in the whole movie. Like I can imagine a physical book for each scene with what exact tone the raindrops need to be.

The old Star Wars, you can do a tour of Marin County and see where Lucas got some of his ideas from. Even if it takes place a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, there's a sense of physical place. The quality of the light in outdoor scenes is always on point because they actually filmed outdoor scenes outdoors.

I guess where I am going with this is even if the guy in the animation dungeon fucking hated drawing Sneezy Dwarf a thousand times, he had an emotional connection to what he was making and it shows in the finished product.

The new stuff all feels like it was made by an anonymous mass of people where other than the actors, any one person's contribution to the whole is not determinable.

You can see CGI Slave #274 taking his boyfriend to the movie and whispering, "That green dress on the old lady was originally supposed to be a different color but they thought it didn't contrast well with the building in the background so I got to do the final point and click to change it."

Like I wonder what these people's portfolios even look like, or if it's just whose ego you buttered.
 
This or someone at Yahoo turned on the comments by accident. I feel sorry for the guy who did it.
IIRC given that Yahoo reposts stories from other websites 99% of the time, the only way a story gets to have a comment section anymore is if the website that originally published the story allows one to exist on the original article. As far as Yahoo being forced to remove any sort of comment section from an article if it's from a place that nuked their comment sections.
 
I know it's been beaten into the mantle now, but the real reason most of the mouse's output is trash is because it's all soulless retreads. Forget the woke shit for a minute, that's a big factor, but the big reason that Disney movies suck is because of pure risk aversion. It's also the reason everything is CGI and looks like well animated fluid plastic. The last two movies that were done with mostly traditional cels and a bit of CG were the princess and the frog, which didn't do well, and brother bear, which fucking tanked. That was back in the era when the first toy story was really breaking new ground, and CGI wasn't omnipresent, because it took a ton of money and a lot of time to render something like a single frame from a movie like toy story 1. Naturally audiences clamored for the new thing, and poof goes a new industry. To keep that insanely profitable, they basically had to shove it into everything, and the rest is history.

The woke shit happened only really recently, at least in the way it has infected everything. I have to wonder if they simply shove things like the lez kiss in lightyear simply to piss people off under the mantra that no publicity is bad. I watched that movie out of curiosity, and the kiss that so many were pissed about only lasted like a second at most (I think I missed it while checking a text message), and really, who cares? I care less about that than the other weird political undercurrents the movie had, when it would really just be a strange jaunty space romp if you made the same movie after, say, toy story 2, which I've never seen. Lightyear is just a mildly boring film with no real theatric purpose that's fun for 1 popcorn night and nothing more.

I have little to say about the MCU series that hasn't already been said. It's woke, that sucks, the movies are mostly awful, that's bad, but I was never huge into comics, so ultimately I don't care much. Sucks for comics fans to watch a longtime hobby of theirs get ruined by the second coming of moralistic jerkoffs more concerned with stroking their egos than actually changing anything. It's funny as hell to me that it's now coming from the left though, for a lot of reasons.

Disney, and all the remaining companies/conglomerates would do well to remember the old axiom that you can't please everyone though. And film is an art form. If you try to appeal to everyone, you wind up with the current output of major studios. Maybe slowly eject the people most responsible for turning an art form into a useless mass of consumerist jello? I realize they can't simply tell everyone responsible for this shit to fuck off anymore, given how much money is involved, and how much reach it has, but ignoring social media screeching would go a long way for starters. Like twitter has ever been real life.
 
I know it's been beaten into the mantle now, but the real reason most of the mouse's output is trash is because it's all soulless retreads. Forget the woke shit for a minute, that's a big factor, but the big reason that Disney movies suck is because of pure risk aversion. It's also the reason everything is CGI and looks like well animated fluid plastic. The last two movies that were done with mostly traditional cels and a bit of CG were the princess and the frog, which didn't do well, and brother bear, which fucking tanked. That was back in the era when the first toy story was really breaking new ground, and CGI wasn't omnipresent, because it took a ton of money and a lot of time to render something like a single frame from a movie like toy story 1. Naturally audiences clamored for the new thing, and poof goes a new industry. To keep that insanely profitable, they basically had to shove it into everything, and the rest is history.

The woke shit happened only really recently, at least in the way it has infected everything. I have to wonder if they simply shove things like the lez kiss in lightyear simply to piss people off under the mantra that no publicity is bad. I watched that movie out of curiosity, and the kiss that so many were pissed about only lasted like a second at most (I think I missed it while checking a text message), and really, who cares? I care less about that than the other weird political undercurrents the movie had, when it would really just be a strange jaunty space romp if you made the same movie after, say, toy story 2, which I've never seen. Lightyear is just a mildly boring film with no real theatric purpose that's fun for 1 popcorn night and nothing more.

I have little to say about the MCU series that hasn't already been said. It's woke, that sucks, the movies are mostly awful, that's bad, but I was never huge into comics, so ultimately I don't care much. Sucks for comics fans to watch a longtime hobby of theirs get ruined by the second coming of moralistic jerkoffs more concerned with stroking their egos than actually changing anything. It's funny as hell to me that it's now coming from the left though, for a lot of reasons.

Disney, and all the remaining companies/conglomerates would do well to remember the old axiom that you can't please everyone though. And film is an art form. If you try to appeal to everyone, you wind up with the current output of major studios. Maybe slowly eject the people most responsible for turning an art form into a useless mass of consumerist jello? I realize they can't simply tell everyone responsible for this shit to fuck off anymore, given how much money is involved, and how much reach it has, but ignoring social media screeching would go a long way for starters. Like twitter has ever been real life.
Iger literally states in this article that he wants to invest more in “brands” and slash more risk-taking projects. Aka, nothing original that doesn’t feature a pre-established character or isn’t going to rack up their ESG score.

Seeing this article, along with the censorship of Roald Dahl’s work so that’s it’s more “safe” and Canada considering extending MAID services to minors who don’t need consent from their parents for the government to euthanize them, only confirms to me that we have turned into a passively nihilistic, hypercapitalistic, soulless society of infantilised, neutered adults that wants daddy corpo and mommy government to take care of us.
 
Does anyone else feel like the newer Disney movies have less "staying power" than the old animated classics? I still see references to the old ones all over the internet in memes, image macros, tattoos, shirts, you name it; but nothing from the new live-action remakes. Almost as if they evaporate from the consciousness the moment the credits come up.
 
Does anyone else feel like the newer Disney movies have less "staying power" than the old animated classics? I still see references to the old ones all over the internet in memes, image macros, tattoos, shirts, you name it; but nothing from the new live-action remakes. Almost as if they evaporate from the consciousness the moment the credits come up.
I literally cannot remember any Disney or Pixar film I’ve seen that was made after 2016. Coco was the last film that I thought was good, after that each film has felt so painfully meh. Despite the color-popping palettes, each film somehow starts looking more soulless than the last. How the hell do you even do that??

Also isn’t Pixar planning on making a movie with a trans 14 year old main character? I swear I remember seeing a casting call for that.
 
They’re the EA of movies and shows.
And countless ways they're worse, the house of mouse truly is despicable. They're the reason they're copy right laws are the way they are
yeah, like an R rated grimdark Mr Boogity reboot
I mean I could see that working kind of obscure but okay. I was thinking of the countless amounts of media they have vaulted.
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The last two movies that were done with mostly traditional cels and a bit of CG were the princess and the frog, which didn't do well, and Winnie the Pooh, which fucking tanked.
FTFY. And it tanked because Disney ludicrously put it against the last Harry Potter movie.
That's one that will unfortunately succeed. Mainly because Disney seems to have learned the lesson from Mulan and decided to keep the classic soundtrack in. All Disney adults and their (the few who have children) will go to see that.
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Somehow, optimistically, I highly doubt it.
 
The spell wore off to me officially when I watched The Last Jedi.

Something hurt within my afterwards and its like I just swallowed the red pill. I wasnt much into disney before outside of maybe the classics but...this? Wow. I went from apathy to full of disgust.

Disney falling apart will be a good thing for the industry, especially if their IPs get spread around through multiple owners because no one deserves to have this much control over culture.
what a massive nigger cuck. this guy is the poster child for soyboy faggots. every single disney star wars movie has been terrible, and yet you still have brand loyalty? what a faggot.

The wonders of replacing parents and God with megacorporations. :stress:
So the word on the street regarding Indiana Jones 5 is that he's literally going to get deleted from history with some back to the future bullshit, and the young chick in the movie will be the "new" Indiana Jones who actually did all the stuff from the perspective of the in-film observers.

ha ha ha these cocksuckers just want to burn all of it right to the ground don't they

I could be wrong but its possibly they realised the backlash would be like none other so they are "reshooting" the ending so that doesnt happen but Kathy is pissed about it.
Not that they deserve any praise, this movie shouldnt be made in the first place.
 
The original Snow White, you feel like there was a sweatshop with 20 nerds wearing white collared shirts all having to prove themselves by drawing Sneezy Dwarf literally a thousand times and getting reamed in front of the others if they fucked it up.
Now now, Walt wasn't one to scream and beat his animators (that was reportedly what Fred Quimby's style was) he'd just send them to the "Happy Place" for a while..... the most magical sweatbox on Earth! (tm)
 
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Somehow, optimistically, I highly doubt it.
I think that Youtube dislikes are to the right what Twitter likes are to the left. It is not representative of normies, and more to the point, it only reflects the attention the movie is getting, which is a lot.

Velma is the most disliked and hated show in the modern age, and it still got a season 2 because of the attention.
 
I think that Youtube dislikes are to the right what Twitter likes are to the left. It is not representative of normies, and more to the point, it only reflects the attention the movie is getting, which is a lot.

Velma is the most disliked and hated show in the modern age, and it still got a season 2 because of the attention.
It didn’t get a season 2 renewal. How these shows work now is they have an initial order of episodes. They air half of these once production has finished on enough episodes where teams are on their next episode. (Team A has 1 episode in front and one in the back half of the order). The press is merely PR so they planned to announce a “renewal” for their “hit series” before it even aired. It’s part of the reason people don’t even trust box office receipts as an indicator of success anymore. Nearly everything you read about tv and film was planted by the studios or other parties.
 
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