Is Disney's magic spell wearing off?

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Accountant Kit Parfitt has no illusions about the variable quality of some of Disney's recent Marvel Studios' releases.

The She-Hulk and Moon Knight mini-series were weak, he says. The Thor: Love and Thunder film even worse. "Not re-watchable."

But the 27-year-old, a self-described "massive" Disney fan who lives near Brighton, says those disappointments won't keep him from cinemas this month, when the franchise's latest - Ant-Man and the Wasp - debuts.

"When it comes to Marvel, Star Wars, I'll watch anything," he says.

That's the kind of commitment that Disney is banking on as it tries to forge a profitable path in a world of falling cinema sales, pay TV cancellations and money-losing online streaming.

Boss Bob Iger, who was reinstalled in November after the abrupt ousting of chief executive Bob Chapek, told investors this month that the company would be doubling down on its big brands like Marvel and Frozen, time-tested profit-makers, while slashing spending on more risky "general entertainment" fare.

There's a new Little Mermaid, another Indiana Jones and a third Guardians of the Galaxy on deck this year.

Toy Story 5, Frozen III and a second Zootopia, known as Zootropolis in the UK, will come after that.

The moves are a gamble that the strategy that Mr Iger oversaw during his first run as chief executive from 2005 through 2020, when he acquired Marvel, Pixar and Lucasfilm and the firm's share price increased more than sixfold, will continue to work its magic.

He even said the company would step back from its streaming push a bit, looking more to cinemas and traditional television to distribute material than it has in recent years, when it sent content to its Disney+ streaming service in a push to win subscribers.

Will the traditional playbook be enough?

Jessica Reif Ehrlich, an analyst at Bank of America, says the resonance of Disney's brands give it a leg up on its competitors, but investors have yet to be convinced.

Disney's share price has nearly halved since March 2021, and did not move much after Mr Iger outlined his plans.

"Everyone knows there are a tonne of challenges," she says. "There's a lot of heavy lifting ahead."

Fan fatigue?

Cinema ticket sales remain roughly a third lower than they were in 2019, before the pandemic closed theatres around the world.

And the rise of streaming has fractured audiences, making it difficult to generate the kind of buzz that propels people to pay for entertainment.

Oxfordshire mum-of-two Jackie Allen says she opted against a Disney+ subscription for her two children, unconvinced the offering justified adding another expense. The company's upcoming slate does not excite her much either.

"It looks like they're rehashing something just to make money rather than whether it should be made," she says.

Even committed fans like Kit will confess to some fatigue.

Speaking to me among the mix of tourists and locals browsing Disney's cavernous store in Manhattan's Times Square, he says Disney's recent action films such as Avatar can reliably lure him to the cinema.

But wife Andrea, who walked down the aisle to a song from Disney/Pixar 2009 film Up, worries the lengthy backstories that come from developing a franchise like Marvel can be off-putting to new audiences.

And both say they feel little urgency to see something like a Toy Story 5.

Not only are the couple more inclined to stay at home with the cost-of-living rising, but they are generally growing tired of the tale after four films and a spin-off.

"Milking something to number five is a bit much," Kit says.

The charge that Disney relies too heavily on recycling and reworking classics is nothing new.

After all, the firm is gearing up for the ninth version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs since the first one debuted in 1937.

But in recent years the strategy, which has fuelled decades of success, has become entangled in America's increasingly bitter culture wars, with some updates driving accusations from conservatives that the firm is becoming too "woke".

Last year's release of Lightyear, a spin-off of Toy Story, for example, was clouded by controversy over a same-sex kiss, which the company restored after employees accused the firm of censoring gay affection.

Banned completely in some markets, the film's same-sex plotline also drew criticism from right-wing politicians such as US Senator Ted Cruz.

Despite the risks of alienating some fans, the profit-making potential of a franchise strategy has been proven, says Janet Wasko, professor of media studies at University of Oregon and the author of Disney Inc.

"It is in some ways risky, but building on already existing fans and consumers and expanding what possibilities they have to consume - if it's successful, it really can be incredibly profitable," she says. "I can't imagine they will stop."

Disney fan Amanda Welch, 29, a subscriber to the firm's streaming platform who has been to Disney World more than 10 times, says the company's strategy of going back to its big-hitting brands has done little to dim her love of Disney.

She and fiance Brandon Dumont, 31, have cancelled the service a few times to help manage their expenses. But they keep coming back. Sometimes they turn on Disney+ simply to soothe them to sleep.

"There's not really any Disney movie I'm sick of," Brandon says. "I could watch them over and over."

BBC News
 
It's basically Toy Story 3, again.
Which itself was basically Toy Story 2, again.
Somehow Pixar was able to re-make the same movie two times and make a billion dollars each time.
I thought Toy Story 3 was great but it should have been the end of the series. Andy's in his mid-30s now so I don't know if the story carries the same weight....
 
YES IT IS. PUT BOB IGER UNDER THE FUCKING GUILLOTINE. BOB CHAPEK, DEAN FLEISCHER CAMP, AND CHRIS K. BRIGHT WHILE YOU'RE AT IT.
 
It's basically Toy Story 3, again.
Which itself was basically Toy Story 2, again.
Somehow Pixar was able to re-make the same movie two times and make a billion dollars each time.
Toy Story 2 had a nice, timeless message about new-in-box neckbeard collectors being stuck up losers who squander toys. Toy Story 3's antagonist was this bitter teddy bear who got separated from his owner and then turned evil because he's bitter about that. It was a terrible movie.
 
I thought Toy Story 3 was great but it should have been the end of the series. Andy's in his mid-30s now so I don't know if the story carries the same weight....
It will appeal perfectly to the 30 something manchild audience that they're looking to appeal to. Disney wants older audiences, that's where the merch money is.
 
Everything about this is shameful.
the core of wanting something comfortable and familiar as you sleep isn't something I'll hate on, but seriously if you need Wapner In Five Minutes you need to make that shit happen for yourself
 
It will appeal perfectly to the 30 something manchild audience that they're looking to appeal to. Disney wants older audiences, that's where the merch money is.
Cheap nostalgia harvesting...one of the things that really strikes me about all this 90s nostalgia shit that is popping up more and more lately is it just feels fake. Fake smiles, fake happiness, fake visuals of what it was like...all of it feels like a mockery of what things were like back then. I was fortunate to be old enough to experience what things were like in the 90s, at least as a teenager. When Happy Days aired in the late 70s, people loved it because it was a relatable show that accurately showed life in the 1950s, cleaned up for television but still basically what most people experienced.

There was a fundamental break in American culture starting with 9/11 that made people fearful and willing to give up every freedom possible for the illusion of safety, that has only metastasized into an even worse form thanks to the COVID scam and all of the authoritarianism it entailed.

The left has been so blinded by propaganda and ideological conditioning they don't understand what it was that made the 1990s so great. They know deep down something is wrong with the way things are today but refuse to admit it and refuse to embrace the solution because it would require them to admit they are wrong.

An entire society damned by the sunk cost fallacy.
 
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Cheap nostalgia harvesting...one of the things that really strikes me about all this 90s nostalgia shit that is popping up more and more lately is it just feels fake. Fake smiles, fake happiness, fake visuals of what it was like...all of it feels like a mockery of what things were like back then. I was fortunate to be old enough to experience what things were like in the 90s, at least as a teenager.

There was a fundamental break in American society starting with 9/11 that has only metastasized into an even worse form thanks to the COVID scam and all of the authoritarianism it entailed.
About right 9/11 and peaked around Obama & mask fell off around Trump.

Toy story was charcter assassination on wody(bopeep is gurl boss & suicidal fork learned the toy story rule of toys turn alive). Same for lightyear was for Tim Allen.
We hope we hope to turn this around with :
Toystory 5 buzz character assassination
Yuri bait 3 frozen
Furry bait 2 zootopia2 (we might have zootopia baby meme yes or no to crossbreed. )(almost forgot the abortion meme too)
 
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It's all just so boring. At a certain point, people want something novel and different. Sure, you can make twenty marvel movies, but if that's all you make, there will be diminishing returns. Most people grow up.

I didn't even bother watching Endgame, let alone anything after. I haven't watched any new Star Wars stuff, since the shitty prequels. I learned my lesson about new Indiana Jones movies after the last one. I think the last Disney animated film I watched was Moana, since it was at least something new. This isn't a superiority thing, just an illustration of how little Disney has produced in years that is interesting to a regular, non-fan. They just don't have anything to offer to someone who isn't already invested in their franchises.
 
Disney has sucked for a while even before they decided they wanted to brainwash the kids that watch their shit. Before they bought Star Wars all they did was make straight to DVD sequels to their actually good old animations from decades ago.
 
I feel like Disney will have a slow death. There's that slow dropoff because parents like to have something to put in front of their kids. However, Disney is making it clear that they apparently don't like money from the Christian two-parent homes, despite the fact that those are the people who literally make up the majority of Disney+ subscriptions. At least their new movies make the manchildren in their audience happy.
For better or worse, Disney has about a million chances to turn it around before they die. And at any point during what would be a multi-decade decline, they can fire all the ideologues, announce "we're going back to what made us great", and everyone will cheer and start eating the slop again.

Hell, it wouldn't even be the first time it's happened to the company.
 
More like poured gasoline over the House of Mouse and lit a match just to own White Supremacy due to hurt feelings.
 
"When it comes to Marvel, Star Wars, I'll watch anything," he says.
Wow you don't say. I feel the complete opposite of this in every way possible.

I think the only way I might maybe possibly ever consider watching a Disney movie again is if it's hand drawn on paper with pens and paint and animated traditionally frame by frame with cameras and contained absolutely no woke shit. Zero. Just good old fashioned whimsy and wonder and such.
 
Wow you don't say. I feel the complete opposite of this in every way possible.

I think the only way I might maybe possibly ever consider watching a Disney movie again is if it's hand drawn on paper with pens and paint and animated traditionally frame by frame with cameras and contained absolutely no woke shit. Zero. Just good old fashioned whimsy and wonder and such.
Oh. You want to watch Klaus. A perfect classic Disney film in every way. Has some CG, but it's only used to enhance the hand drawn animation. The story is pretty based as well, taking place in a diversity-free world where a community struggles to free itself from the influence of their corrupt leadership.

What's that? Disney didn't make that movie? Oh.... Well, you'll want to watch it anyway. It's basically what Disney would be doing if they hadn't sucked the CG and ESG cocks.
 
MCU's shot its load by running out all the first-stringers until the actors got too old to keep up. The second-stringers are just... meh. Nobody gives a fuck. The only chance they really have at this point is X-Men and Fantastic Four, since they got their hands back on those licenses. If they home run with those characters, they can keep milking that for another decade. They'll have a hard sell for a non-Jackman Wolverine though. The public perception of that character is bound up real tight with the actor, and he's far too old to keep doing the role for ten more years.
 
For better or worse, Disney has about a million chances to turn it around before they die. And at any point during what would be a multi-decade decline, they can fire all the ideologues, announce "we're going back to what made us great", and everyone will cheer and start eating the slop again.

Hell, it wouldn't even be the first time it's happened to the company.
While this is true, there is one thing severely limiting their options at this current time: Bob Iger’s absolutely fucktarded decision to buy 20th Century Fox for 77! Billion with a B! Dollars! It makes Elon Musk’s purchase of Twitter Inc. look like a sound financial decision. It’s seriously one of the most disastrous and ill-advised corporate mergers in living memory, possibly ever. This curse that will plague Disney for decades to come will be Bob Iger’s legacy on the company.
MCU's shot its load by running out all the first-stringers until the actors got too old to keep up. The second-stringers are just... meh. Nobody gives a fuck. The only chance they really have at this point is X-Men and Fantastic Four, since they got their hands back on those licenses. If they home run with those characters, they can keep milking that for another decade. They'll have a hard sell for a non-Jackman Wolverine though. The public perception of that character is bound up real tight with the actor, and he's far too old to keep doing the role for ten more years.
Related to the previous point: the X-men and Fanastic Four literally need to make back tens of billions of dollars to get some actual ROI on that Fox deal, since Disney+ is turning into a billion-dollar moneypit. And obviously, there’s no universe where that’s even a remote possibility. Disney is fucked.
 
I love it when they try to put it down to "fatigue". Superhero fatigue, Star Wars fatigue... as if people stop watching good movies because they're just sort of tired of the branding.

Everyone knows what it really is. The movies and TV shows are all cheap, amateurish shit produced by diversity hires now. No one wants to be lectured by whiny niggers with $100k college degrees in Muh Oppression. Parents might nod and say, "good for you" when you put your fag flag on social media, but the vast majority do not want their kid to join your degenerate "community".

MCU's shot its load by running out all the first-stringers until the actors got too old to keep up. The second-stringers are just... meh. Nobody gives a fuck. The only chance they really have at this point is X-Men and Fantastic Four, since they got their hands back on those licenses. If they home run with those characters, they can keep milking that for another decade. They'll have a hard sell for a non-Jackman Wolverine though. The public perception of that character is bound up real tight with the actor, and he's far too old to keep doing the role for ten more years.
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X-Men is guaranteed to be one big LGBTQIA+++ celebration. They've shown over and over that they cannot buck any woke shit the recent comics have pushed. It's going to be the MCU's Snowflake and Safespace moment.
 
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Disney's been a worse version of what Universal used to be before Walt got fucked over by them and decided "fuck you I'll make a better media company" for a good number of years now and it's just kinda a blatant fact nobody talks about but generally understands.


My favorite part of that line it mentions only shit disney bought out rather than shit disney actually made themselves. It alsoframes the new thor movie as worse than she hulk. From what I remember, the main gripe people had with love and thunder was the shitty rushed and overused cgi that even the people that worked on it joked about post release going "yeah that's kinda fucking bad haha" while the people behind she hulk fucking doubled down on the "EVERYONE WHO DOESNT LIKE IT IS SEXIST!!!" shit media types do sometimes. Love and thunder also doesn't' have a huge segment about how the og protagonist is worse because not having to deal with cat calling despite the fact hulk's origin aside from the gamma shit is his father accidentally beat his mother to death which scarred him for life.
In defense of Thor 4, the comic storyline it was based on is one of the WORST stories from the 2010s and the movie, for all intents of purposes, rewrote the plot from scratch combined with the plot point of making sure Jane Foster died at the end so as to rope off fears of her becoming the new Thor.

She-Hulk meanwhile was a steaming pile of dog shit with no real redeeming value save for Frogman's costume.

I'd also add that Marvel can't really fucking risk fucking up the X-Men even though you have that one cunt threatening to bar the use of the "X-Men" name because of sexism (hence why the first film involving the X-Men is just going to be called "The Mutants" supposedly) and the fact that they are already threatening and vowing to racebend as many characters as they can, complete with the running rumor of Magneto, Rogue, and Xavier have already been earmarked for being turned black in all future X-Men movies (with Rogue explicitly being picked for a race bending purely to spite fans who hated Brie Larson and were joking that they wanted the X-Men movie to happen soon, so they can reenact Rogue stealing Carol's powers and drowning her/sending her packing into outer space).

IF Disney fucks up the X-Men and the first film they do flops underperformed, Disney is fucked six ways to Sunday.
 
Yes, the magic spell is wearing off because there is nothing magical about Disney anymore. The thing about Disney movies and the whole experience is that it's a fantasy for kids while the parents feel like children again. Now not only Disney's main target isn't kids any more but the ones consuming Disney are adults who refused to grow up.

What is magical about a 40 years old fat woman blogging about her 46th trip to Disneyland?
 
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