Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

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I doubt western feminists would ever give up a fresh talking point like mail-order brides.

Government don't give a shit about retarded movements unless they are a threat, feminists are the easiest demographic to run over if you really need to do it. They are only around because the government is funding them.

As far as the government goes, another option is just too easy to ignore: Just go to war and conscript/draft. It's literally that easy. I wonder how the demographics in Russia/Ukraine will be when the current forever war is over.

Drafting is going to very difficult, how do you make sure that they won't bail (desert) or become a problem after the war when they come home (I honestly think this is why they don't want to escalate things overall, because they know that they have too many unloyal citizens). Making men die for a country will be impossible when many men don't even want to work for it now.

As for the Russia/Ukraine thing, nothing will change related to the topic, I checked the official numbers (that are greatly inflated), but I will use that as a "worst case scenario", and that number is maximum 15 000 casualties in total from both sides (as for now). That's absolutely nothing (let's pretend it was all men), it's literally just a small village city in most countries. To give you a perspective on why the "war" is a nothingburger in this topic, EU took in over 5 million (((refugees))) in 2022. If Ukraine becomes a EU country, those 15000 dead guys are going to be replaced by niggers within a year.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

They get a job, find a wife, maybe have some kids and live their life. This is still very much possible in the modern day, but doomers like you ignore that.

That would require effort and taking risks. Sitting on the internet all day listening to equally miserable people tells me risks are scary and to just stay inside of my misery bubble.

 

[DavidS877]

That would require effort and taking risks. Sitting on the internet all day listening to equally miserable people tells me risks are scary and to just stay inside of my misery bubble.

I learned after being rejected a couple times that if I don't try then I don't get rejected. Feels great not being rejected ever again.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That would require effort and taking risks. Sitting on the internet all day listening to equally miserable people tells me risks are scary and to just stay inside of my misery bubble.

I've given the incels in this thread advice that will get them to meet a nice lady, but instead they want to keep parroting whatever Andrew Tate tells them and continue acting like bible thumping elderly men and then wonder why women don't want anything to do with them

 

[Odd Opossum]

I have a job and it doesn't being me any joy. I am used. I am a tax farm for the tribe that is working to make my people extinct. I am worked to the bone and I barely make enough to pay the bills. Fuck trying to live a "normal" life and pretending nothing is going on. The west is falling and you will have to admit it soon.

Life is pretty good for me and the majority of people I know. The only people I see losing their shit like you're doing are failures. So stop being a whiny failure who blames all his woes and sadbrained thoughts on the jews.

 

[The bearer of arms]

The only advice that I can give to incels, is to not focus on getting women but to focus on improving your own life. Get a good job, try to get a house (stay at your parents house if you have to, so you can save up a lot faster), stay out of bad debt, and improve your health. The most important is to be content with your own life.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

Life is pretty good for me and the majority of people I know. The only people I see losing their shit like you're doing are failures. So stop being a whiny failure who blames all his woes and sadbrained thoughts on the jews.

When you are the only white person in a line with an endless sea of browns and blacks all waiting for their daily gruel bag from your 15 minute city's food bank until civil protection comes up to you and tells you to move along because your kind is not welcome I wonder if you will allow yourself to utter a whiny complaint then.

What does that have to do with lonely men? Because what we are experiencing right now is the precursor to that future. You don't bother yourself with trying to understand why incels are on the rise and why male suicide keeps climbing ever higher, you just block it all out and pretend that nothing matters but your own little world.

When you say that your life is "pretty good" I assume you are blotting out the rapidly changing demographics, the destruction of food and energy, the ever rising cost of living, the loss of worker's rights and dignity, the children being cut up in the name of the rainbow cult, the brainwashed Marxist thugs killing people in the streets, jungle niggers and sand niggers bloodying their machetes, the various NGO plots to poison us all and to blot out the sun, being betrayed by our own governments, and so on.

Women are incapable of looking beyond their own little life but how could any man be happy in this horrid nightmare we find ourselves in?

 

[Odd Opossum]

When you are the only white person in a line with an endless sea of browns and blacks all waiting for their daily gruel bag from your 15 minute city's food bank until civil protection comes up to you and tells you to move along because your kind is not welcome I wonder if you will allow yourself to utter a whiny complaint then.

What does that have to do with lonely men? Because what we are experiencing right now is the precursor to that future. You don't bother yourself with trying to understand why incels are on the rise and why male suicide keeps climbing ever higher, you just block it all out and pretend that nothing matters but your own little world.

When you say that your life is "pretty good" I assume you are blotting out the rapidly changing demographics, the destruction of food and energy, the ever rising cost of living, the loss of worker's rights and dignity, the children being cut up in the name of the rainbow cult, the brainwashed Marxist thugs killing people in the streets, jungle niggers and sand niggers bloodying their machetes, the various NGO plots to poison us all and to blot out the sun, being betrayed by our own governments, and so on.

Women are incapable of looking beyond their own little life but how could any man be happy in this horrid nightmare we find ourselves in?

Goddamn, I'd say go outside, but you'd be doing everyone a favor by isolating yourself.

 

[GAY DEAD MUPPET GANGBANG]

That's kinda the point I've been making. I'm not on any medication and I don't drink or do drugs. I did smoke weed when I was in my twenties and so and yeah, I used to go clubbing with my friends. Despite all of that average and "normal" behavior no vagina was to be had. It failed to happen. That's why I said my situation is so confusing to explain and that despite all of that at this point of my life I really feel no drive for companionship of that sort. The emotional structures that are necessary for those things to be... well, necessary just aren't there. As a consequence I do not feel a lack of any sort. It's true that I am detached from life but this took on a serene outlook on everything more than anything else since I'm fully involved with my surroundings and people.

If there really is some sort of deeper mystery here I've not uncovered it.

I love it when a plebby gets filtered.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

but how could any man be happy in this horrid nightmare we find ourselves in?

Having a good job, wife, and couple of kids is pretty nice. Ngl.

 

[WelperHelper99]

When you are the only white person in a line with an endless sea of browns and blacks all waiting for their daily gruel bag from your 15 minute city's food bank until civil protection comes up to you and tells you to move along because your kind is not welcome I wonder if you will allow yourself to utter a whiny complaint then.

What does that have to do with lonely men? Because what we are experiencing right now is the precursor to that future. You don't bother yourself with trying to understand why incels are on the rise and why male suicide keeps climbing ever higher, you just block it all out and pretend that nothing matters but your own little world.

When you say that your life is "pretty good" I assume you are blotting out the rapidly changing demographics, the destruction of food and energy, the ever rising cost of living, the loss of worker's rights and dignity, the children being cut up in the name of the rainbow cult, the brainwashed Marxist thugs killing people in the streets, jungle niggers and sand niggers bloodying their machetes, the various NGO plots to poison us all and to blot out the sun, being betrayed by our own governments, and so on.

Women are incapable of looking beyond their own little life but how could any man be happy in this horrid nightmare we find ourselves in?

Happiness is what you make of it. It's a choice. A deliberate decision. Let's say for the sake of argument that everything you said comes to pass, whitey is doomed. You are still you. You can choose to suffer or be happy in spite of it all.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

Goddamn, I'd say go outside, but you'd be doing everyone a favor by isolating yourself.

There is an irony in this era in that the people who are isolated know the most about the fall.

Having a good job, wife, and couple of kids is pretty nice. Ngl.

I'm sure having those things does bring satisfaction in life. A NEET is not going to ever feel complete in life by getting that platinum trophy. Is there a timeline out there where the NEET has a family and meaning in life or are some people destined to be forsaken.

Happiness is what you make of it. It's a choice. A deliberate decision. Let's say for the sake of argument that everything you said comes to pass, whitey is doomed. You are still you. You can choose to suffer or be happy in spite of it all.

You might be right but how do you look past what is being done to us. There is a deliberate effort to destroy us and it's working. I find it hard to enjoy life while the evidence of this is all around and clearly visible. My neighborhood has been completely transformed. Watching this collapse really eats away at your soul. Do we just smile while oblivion reaches out to grab us?

 

[WelperHelper99]

You might be right but how do you look past what is being done to us. There is a deliberate effort to destroy us and it's working. I find it hard to enjoy life while the evidence of this is all around and clearly visible. My neighborhood has been completely transformed. Watching this collapse really eats away at your soul. Do we just smile while oblivion reaches out to grab us?

You keep saying us. What about you? As in you. Not society, not your neighborhood, you. You can acknowledge the world is shit while also saying "I can't do anything to stop it- and that's OK. I'm not going to worry about it because I got my own life to deal with that's more important than the vague notion of the world".

 

[Odd Opossum]

There is an irony in this era in that the people who are isolated know the most about the fall.


I'm sure having those things does bring satisfaction in life. A NEET is not going to ever feel complete in life by getting that platinum trophy. Is there a timeline out there where the NEET has a family and meaning in life or are some people destined to be forsaken.


You might be right but how do you look past what is being done to us. There is a deliberate effort to destroy us and it's working. I find it hard to enjoy life while the evidence of this is all around and clearly visible. My neighborhood has been completely transformed. Watching this collapse really eats away at your soul. Do we just smile while oblivion reaches out to grab us?

You're going to wake up one day and realize the collapse never came. Whether you choose to get a fucking grip on reality past that realization is up to you.

 

[demonbarberdorsia]

Pretty sure we're gonna have Robo GFs in the next 5 years.

Robo GFs are maybe the stupidest thing I see floating around in incel discussion. I would probably laugh at a guy if he told me a woman shaped hunk of plastic he bought from a store was his "girlfriend". It's a talking fleshlight, and to pretend otherwise would devalue life itself I feel.
Also, when they finally do happen, they're going to be extremely expensive, definitely not affordable for the vast majority of men. I imagine most incels are dirt poor or working class and will have to watch as rich chads take their robo waifus too. The seething will be hilarious.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

You're going to wake up one day and realize the collapse never came. Whether you choose to get a fucking grip on reality past that realization is up to you.

And don't wait too long, time doesn't rewind. Change your outlook the sooner the better.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

You keep saying us. What about you? As in you. Not society, not your neighborhood, you. You can acknowledge the world is shit while also saying "I can't do anything to stop it- and that's OK. I'm not going to worry about it because I got my own life to deal with that's more important than the vague notion of the world".

None of us live in a bubble though. Events around us change who we are and push us down different paths. I would likely be a completely different person today if I was born a decade earlier and grew up in a better environment.

Just to give a couple of examples - I was banned from many sites in the early 2010s. Something Awful for instance I was banned for not supporting feminism. I've lost more Twitter accounts that I can count. I was shadow banned on Youtube. I was not welcome in any of the major sites online.

What about the real world? Well all the hobbyist groups and activities around here have been ruined by the rainbow cult and I'm not welcome either, nor would I want to be. Dating both online and offline is fucked and most women are all for transitioning children and abortions, I couldn't be around someone that you fundamentally disagree with when it comes to throwing away life.

There is no media anymore. Games suck, movies suck, TV shows suck, Youtube sucks, I have probably watched less than 10 movies that have released in the last 15 years, and played about the same amount of AAA games, because they are all anti white and all ugly poorly made atrocities. The internet is boring and so small and lonely now. The current crop of Lolcows are lame. There is nothing but nostaglic trips back to the past.

So there are no circuses, is there at least bread? Not really. I have had to cut so much out so that I can afford to pay my bills because working full time is hardly enough anymore.

I hate work enough as it is but to know it's so pointless is painful. What am I even doing wasting my short life slaving away for a pittance? All so that powerful forces above me can tax me and send that money overseas, and no matter how hard I work they are still causing society to fall apart. There probably won't even be a pension if I even make it that far. So it's this endless cycle of working to be able to pay the bills so that I can continue working.

What about socializing? It's a toxic minefield that is best left un-navigated. Some lament that everything is political when really nothing is. You have one side that wants to wipe out all white groups, you have another side that doesn't want to be wiped out, is it fair to call that politics? That is all it boils down to at the end of the day... so many of our brothers have betrayed us and lost their humanity in a devilish pact. People like Hollywood Hulk Hogan disgust me to my very core, the very essence of pure evil, laughing at people that die in accidents after refusing to take the clot shot.

If I lived in a better world I could perhaps be happy and have a wife and kids. Instead I've been pushed down this path and ended up where I am today. Not that anything really matters anymore since all that is left is 100 years of darkness.

We do not live in a bubble, we are forged by the world we exist in, so what happens to the world around me is going to change me.

You're going to wake up one day and realize the collapse never came. Whether you choose to get a fucking grip on reality past that realization is up to you.

It's not even a question of the world you think you want to live in, it doesn't matter if you are happy to live among Africas, Arabs, Mexicans, and Indians, they will kill us all once they outnumber us. Unlike you they have an in group preference and you are an outsider.

 

[WelperHelper99]

None of us live in a bubble though. Events around us change who we are and push us down different paths. I would likely be a completely different person today if I was born a decade earlier and grew up in a better environment.

Just to give a couple of examples - I was banned from many sites in the early 2010s. Something Awful for instance I was banned for not supporting feminism. I've lost more Twitter accounts that I can count. I was shadow banned on Youtube. I was not welcome in any of the major sites online.

What about the real world? Well all the hobbyist groups and activities around here have been ruined by the rainbow cult and I'm not welcome either, nor would I want to be. Dating both online and offline is fucked and most women are all for transitioning children and abortions, I couldn't be around someone that you fundamentally disagree with when it comes to throwing away life.

There is no media anymore. Games suck, movies suck, TV shows suck, Youtube sucks, I have probably watched less than 10 movies that have released in the last 15 years, and played about the same amount of AAA games, because they are all anti white and all ugly poorly made atrocities. The internet is boring and so small and lonely now. The current crop of Lolcows are lame. There is nothing but nostaglic trips back to the past.

So there are no circuses, is there at least bread? Not really. I have had to cut so much out so that I can afford to pay my bills because working full time is hardly enough anymore.

I hate work enough as it is but to know it's so pointless is painful. What am I even doing wasting my short life slaving away for a pittance? All so that powerful forces above me can tax me and send that money overseas, and no matter how hard I work they are still causing society to fall apart. There probably won't even be a pension if I even make it that far. So it's this endless cycle of working to be able to pay the bills so that I can continue working.

What about socializing? It's a toxic minefield that is best left un-navigated. Some lament that everything is political when really nothing is. You have one side that wants to wipe out all white groups, you have another side that doesn't want to be wiped out, is it fair to call that politics? That is all it boils down to at the end of the day... so many of our brothers have betrayed us and lost their humanity in a devilish pact. People like Hollywood Hulk Hogan disgust me to my very core, the very essence of pure evil, laughing at people that die in accidents after refusing to take the clot shot.

If I lived in a better world I could perhaps be happy and have a wife and kids. Instead I've been pushed down this path and ended up where I am today. Not that anything really matters anymore since all that is left is 100 years of darkness.

We do not live in a bubble, we are forged by the world we exist in, so what happens to the world around me is going to change me.

My guy you can live in the world while not being of the world. See everything you just said? I want you to write it on paper, crumple it up, and throw it in the can. Actually do it. Feel the catharsis. It can only hurt you if you give it power to do so. Right now you are. So stop it. Ignore it. Your life is more important than the world.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

@WelperHelper99 Kind words but I don't know what to do with my life. What is there even to do anymore? Practically speaking life revolves around work,chores and sleep, and then you find something to entertain you on a Saturday night. Are you saying that if you could remove all fears and anxiety and almost induce a kind of madness then you could live for the moment and find enjoyment in the small things in life?

How are you not bothered by what is going on around you?

We are atomized beings. Our connection to our ethnicity, culture, country, mythology, and history has been severed and we are adrift in a meaningless void. Perhaps reconnecting those links would fix a lot of incels.

 

[WelperHelper99]

@WelperHelper99 Kind words but I don't know what to do with my life. What is there even to do anymore? Practically speaking life revolves around work,chores and sleep, and then you find something to entertain you on a Saturday night. Are you saying that if you could remove all fears and anxiety and almost induce a kind of madness then you could live for the moment and find enjoyment in the small things in life?

How are you not bothered by what is going on around you?

We are atomized beings. Our connection to our ethnicity, culture, country, mythology, and history has been severed and we are adrift in a meaningless void. Perhaps reconnecting those links would fix a lot of incels.

I am troubled by the things around me, sure. Sometimes it even gets me down. I still choose to be happy at the end of it all. No one can take that from me. Life is about choices. Maybe you need to switch yours up if you're so glum. Take some time off, go camping, read a book in the woods. Happiness is up to you man.