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DrJonesHat said:
If I recall, Sweet viewed meal time as the perfect opportunity to showcase his comedy routines, which were vulgar and unfunny. I'm not sure if anyone ever hauled him aside and told him to shut up and let people eat in peace.
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Well someone did try to kill him by crushing him with filth when he began screaming out his Andrew Dice Clay routine for no established reason other than "I WANNA DO IT NOW!" outside of the dorms. But I think most people just hazed him indirectly, which doesn't work with his broken mentality; basically you have to be as direct as possible with him, and probably back it up with some show of force because he'll usually double down otherwise. Then he'll just act like a bitter asshole and sob about it.
 
Did Sweet ever receive any official reprimands for his bizarre behavior? I can't imagine everyone just suffered in silence, surely someone either told him to his face to shut up, or complained to campus authorities who in turn called Sweet on the carpet. I went to college with people who actually did corner disruptive types and either yell at them or in certain cases pummel them, and I can't imagine that my school had a monopoly on civic-minded types.
 
DrJonesHat said:
Did Sweet ever receive any official reprimands for his bizarre behavior? I can't imagine everyone just suffered in silence, surely someone either told him to his face to shut up, or complained to campus authorities who in turn called Sweet on the carpet. I went to college with people who actually did corner disruptive types and either yell at them or in certain cases pummel them, and I can't imagine that my school had a monopoly on civic-minded types.
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Well, he did get expelled :v

Seriously, though, I'm absolutely sure someone (probably several someones) told him to knock it off. For example, I would bet that "mentor" of his was actually an administrator who tried to get him to pull it back. Probably some people at the paper told him to stop being an asshole, and that's where he got his whole "they hated me for not being a liberal" thing. And that's the problem - his crazy mind misinterpereted every attempt to get him to behave as "the man is trying to hold me down! They're making up all these crazy rules and expecting me to just know them!" Really, it's puzzling why he would want to go back to an environment he claims to have suffered so badly in.
 
At my local university, if one acted really disruptive to the point of ruining events for others, I don't think they'd beat up on the disruptor.

They'd call the campus police.

Oh yeah, they'd call anybody.
 
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DrJonesHat said:
I'm not sure if anyone ever hauled him aside and told him to shut up and let people eat in peace.
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Before he was fired for plagiarism, he was suspended at The Herald for his tard spree of cursing and ranting about lesbians when the yearbook photographer came by and dared to use a flash in his presence while taking pictures of the staff.

EDIT TO ADD THIS PARAGRAPH: And he was also visited at home by police officers from ASU sometime around 2002, four years after he was expelled. He boasts that he refused to comply with their orders to stop doing whatever it was that had caused them to pay him a call. (I suspect he's lying.)

The fact that he behaved himself while in class can only mean that some faculty member made it very clear to him that his usual sperging would not be tolerated. He can modify his behavior when faced with consequences that he finds intolerable; in this case, he acted like a normal human in class because the alternative was being shipped home, where there were no scrumptious buffets, no big-screen TVs and no phone sex with minors. But for most of his life, he has done as he has pleased and suffered consequences that either made no impression or that he found an acceptable trade-off. He clearly remains utterly stunned that ASU, which had previously ignored his disruptive, sociopathic hobbies, expelled him for behavior that would have landed him in jail at many other schools. (Terroristic threats, anyone?)

It would be interesting to see what would happen if his mother were to tell him that she was cutting off the cable TV and the Internet unless he gets a job. Maybe I'll drop her a line.
 
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Ruin said:
Wait why does he long for phone sex over actual sexual contact?
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I think because he's actually experienced phone sex (albeit in trolling form) but not actual sex.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I think they've talked about Chris in discussions about weebs on 2ch from what I've heard. I don't know if Sweet is talked about on 2ch or other Japanese sites though.
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God, what I wouldn't give for a Denko-esque 2ch thread on Sweet.

Absinthe said:
It's a good 'un. Sweet tries to convince us that he works hard and had more fun at college than any of us. He also proves that he's always possessed an amusing lack of self-awareness, republishing one of his Bad Boy Herald columns which begins as a standard bar bore rant about how modern art is rubbish, but quickly detours to reveal he's been peeing in jars since boyhood.
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I think most people who went to college had more fun than Sweet because they probably weren't surrounded by people who felt nothing for them but resentment and disgust.

sonichuis44 said:
I don't think Sweet's disability is an intellectual one. He made it through a degree and into grad school, which just isn't something that happens if you're retarded. He seems to have a good command of the English language, a wide vocabulary, and some amount of spatial skills, judging by his artistic abilities (I make no claims about what he's done with those abilities, just that he has them). He definitely has some kind of social deficit though.
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Artist here, and somebody with some (very minor) spacial awareness difficulties. Jonathan Sweet's art seems to indicate he has poor spatial awareness skills, at least as far as I'm concerned. On top of very obviously having never had any formal art training, Sweet's art suffers from horror vacui. He may be able to line up facial features on a face so that it looks recognizable, but his sense of composition is poor. He is unable to make comic panels that allow the eye to travel through them with ease; every fucking page is like a "Where's Waldo" page, except in Where's Waldo, the entire thing being chaotic is done on purpose. I think Sweet has taken a lot from the pages of comic artists like Basil Wolverton and R. Crumb, without any understanding of what made their styles work. The 90's also had a bumper crop of comics (usually edgy independent titles, natch) that had very busy, chaotic panels, and I would bet that Sweets read a few.

There is no flow in Sweets' work. There is no sense of unity. The man barely has a consistent style aside from "hideously ugly." He certainly doesn't have any command of color theory. His art never evolved beyond what a middle schooler might doodle while taking notes. How in the hell he expects anybody to buy his garbage is beyond me.

I mean, I really feel like this thread needs more ripping into why his art sucks so bad. There's a lot of analysis on why his writing sucks.

Remind me to do that later.
 
Meowthkip said:
God, what I wouldn't give for a Denko-esque 2ch thread on Sweet.



I think most people who went to college had more fun than Sweet because they probably weren't surrounded by people who felt nothing for them but resentment and disgust.



Artist here, and somebody with some (very minor) spacial awareness difficulties. Jonathan Sweet's art seems to indicate he has poor spatial awareness skills, at least as far as I'm concerned. On top of very obviously having never had any formal art training, Sweet's art suffers from horror vacui. He may be able to line up facial features on a face so that it looks recognizable, but his sense of composition is poor. He is unable to make comic panels that allow the eye to travel through them with ease; every fucking page is like a "Where's Waldo" page, except in Where's Waldo, the entire thing being chaotic is done on purpose. I think Sweet has taken a lot from the pages of comic artists like Basil Wolverton and R. Crumb, without any understanding of what made their styles work. The 90's also had a bumper crop of comics (usually edgy independent titles, natch) that had very busy, chaotic panels, and I would bet that Sweets read a few.

There is no flow in Sweets' work. There is no sense of unity. The man barely has a consistent style aside from "hideously ugly." He certainly doesn't have any command of color theory. His art never evolved beyond what a middle schooler might doodle while taking notes. How in the hell he expects anybody to buy his garbage is beyond me.

I mean, I really feel like this thread needs more ripping into why his art sucks so bad. There's a lot of analysis on why his writing sucks.

Remind me to do that later.
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Looking forward to it!
 
I remember Sweet responded (on dA) to me asking in this thread what the hell was going on in a comic he drew, and he was explaining what was going on. Sweet often gives lengthy explanations for what's going on in the comics he draws.

PROTIP: If you often can't clearly communicate the subject(s) depicted without having to explain them to the audience, it's probably not because the audience is mostly stupid - it's because you probably need to reevaluate your skills.
 
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The question isn't "Is Sweets as smart as he thinks he is?". The question is "Why does Sweets think he's so smart?" Like I said, he can string a sentence together, and he's all right at drawing (@Meowthkip, ok I rescind my claim he has any skill; I'm basically saying he can put lines on paper that make up an identifiably human figure, which is more than I can do). There's a long walk from that to "my farts don't stink/my farts do stink and I masturbate to that idea but I'm still really cool and good." When did he decide he was hot shit on a silver platter?
 
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sonichuis44 said:
The question isn't "Is Sweets as smart as he thinks he is?". The question is "Why does Sweets think he's so smart?" Like I said, he can string a sentence together, and he's all right at drawing (@Meowthkip, ok I rescind my claim he has any skill; I'm basically saying he can put lines on paper that make up an identifiably human figure, which is more than I can do). There's a long walk from that to "my farts don't stink/my farts do stink and I masturbate to that idea but I'm still really cool and good." When did he decide he was hot shit on a silver platter?
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He thinks there is a conspiracy against him. Apparently college journalism students are the real illuminati and have worked around the clock for decades to personally keep Jon Sweets from succeeding.
 
Dr. Merkwurdichliebe said:
EDIT TO ADD: He was also visited at home by police officers from ASU sometime around 2002, four years after he was expelled. He boasts that he refused to comply with their orders to stop doing whatever it was that had caused them to pay him a call. I suspect he's lying.

Before he was fired for plagiarism, he was suspended at The Herald for his tard spree of cursing and ranting about lesbians when the yearbook photographer came by and dared to use a flash in his presence while taking pictures of the staff.

The fact that he behaved himself while in class can only mean that some faculty member made it very clear to him that his usual sperging would not be tolerated. He can modify his behavior when faced with consequences that he finds intolerable; in this case, he acted like a normal human in class because the alternative was being shipped home, where there were no scrumptious buffets, no big-screen TVs and no phone sex with minors. But for most of his life, he has done as he has pleased and suffered consequences that either made no impression or that he found an acceptable trade-off. He clearly remains utterly stunned that ASU, which had previously ignored his disruptive, sociopathic hobbies, expelled him for behavior that would have landed him in jail at many other schools. (Terroristic threats, anyone?)

It would be interesting to see what would happen if his mother were to tell him that she was cutting off the cable TV and the Internet unless he gets a job. Maybe I'll drop her a line.
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From what we've been able to infer from Sweet's own posts, his extremely hostile personality makes it impossible for him to obtain conventional employment, hence why he was "encouraged" to apply for SSI. I suspect he was told to apply for SSI or he'd be kicked out. Since Sweet never mentioned that he was declined on his first try, he must have really made an impression on whatever doctor evaluated him for his application, if he was indeed accepted on his initial application.

He thinks he's smarter than everyone else, so I doubt he could take orders from a manager. Worse, imagine if that manger wasn't white. Sweet's behavior at the pawn shop or whatever it was is indicative of how he reacts when he's not in charge. Since Sweet is utterly incompetent and is resistant to learning from his experiences, he'd never be promoted to a position of authority, even though in his mind he'd think he deserved it.
 
Meowthkip said:
I think Sweet has taken a lot from the pages of comic artists like Basil Wolverton and R. Crumb, without any understanding of what made their styles work.
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Indeed. Sweet's "style" resembles nothing so much as an ineptly drawn homage to the counterculture cartoonists of the 1960s, as reinterpreted by the Ku Klux Klan. It's too bad there isn't a nationwide chain of racist head shops to distribute his work.
 
DrJonesHat said:
From what we've been able to infer from Sweet's own posts, his extremely hostile personality makes it impossible for him to obtain conventional employment, hence why he was "encouraged" to apply for SSI. I suspect he was told to apply for SSI or he'd be kicked out. Since Sweet never mentioned that he was declined on his first try, he must have really made an impression on whatever doctor evaluated him for his application, if he was indeed accepted on his initial application.

He thinks he's smarter than everyone else, so I doubt he could take orders from a manager. Worse, imagine if that manger wasn't white. Sweet's behavior at the pawn shop or whatever it was is indicative of how he reacts when he's not in charge. Since Sweet is utterly incompetent and is resistant to learning from his experiences, he'd never be promoted to a position of authority, even though in his mind he'd think he deserved it.
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There's nothing worse in retail than the guy who thinks he's too good to be there.
 
A black kid tried to buy some candy, I called him a niggo and chased him out of the store. No one told him I shouldn't be racist!
 
Can you imagine Sweet at a call center? Especially if were debt collections? Oh lord. Whoever hired him would probably shoot themselves.
 
DrJonesHat said:
Can you imagine Sweet at a call center? Especially if were debt collections? Oh lord. Whoever hired him would probably shoot themselves.
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Jonathan M. Sweet after a week on the job:

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"They are ribbons of shame!"
 
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