🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

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The question isn't "Is Sweets as smart as he thinks he is?". The question is "Why does Sweets think he's so smart?"

I've known more than a few people like this, and I think it ultimately comes down to conflating "reads a lot" with "smart". While there's no evidence that Sweets has picked up a book since he got booted from college, his writing style is *very* familiar to me, showing strong influences from the kind of authors a kid growing up in the middle of nowhere in the late 80s/early 90s would think were classy. (Except for the godawful tin-eared attempts at writing in dialect, which is all on him.)

I suspect Sweets read a lot as a kid and a teen, and he made the common mistake of thinking, "All the smart people I know of read a lot, and I read a lot, so I must be smart too." It doesn't help that, if I'm guessing his influences correctly, the kind of authors he read often went out of their way to flatter the reader by suggesting the same or even stating it outright. This self-evaluation is probably buttressed by his strong memory for trivial details.
 
Inspiration just struck me. Sweet would make a great candidate for a reality TV show about a guy who's leeched off his family all his life, and is finally cast out into the cold to fend for himself. He has to get a job, find a place, and not get murdered by irate coworkers or neighbors. I'd be all :popcorn: on that shit.
 
Inspiration just struck me. Sweet would make a great candidate for a reality TV show about a guy who's leeched off his family all his life, and is finally cast out into the cold to fend for himself. He has to get a job, find a place, and not get murdered by irate coworkers or neighbors. I'd be all :popcorn: on that shit.

You're the diet coke of conservatism!

 
Artist here, and somebody with some (very minor) spacial awareness difficulties. Jonathan Sweet's art seems to indicate he has poor spatial awareness skills, at least as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know, but I believe the main thing holding back Sweet Bro's art from actually looking decent is Sweet himself. From what I've seen, if Sweet puts his mind to something, he is able to accomplish a lot. His Belch Dimension Comic is a testament to that. Sure, the comic looks like shit and nobody reads it, but look at how many damn issues of it Sweet has been able to pump out since 2006. Also can't forget all the background lore he has created for his comic universe too. That is impressive for someone who is well, Jonathon M. Sweet.

The Belch Dimension looks like crap because Sweet Bro likes it looking that way (and when he LIKES something, then everyone else better like it or else they're wrong and stupid). Now if Sweet took criticism to heart and listened to advice from others, I bet he could produce a damn good comic because when he is dedicated to something, he's DEDICATED. Unfortunately, this good aspect of his personality is completely useless because Sweet only cares about what he thinks. He'll never utilize his dedication to achieve something useful until he gets over himself.

You can call me crazy, but unlike CWC, I think Sweet Bro does have artistic talent within himself. His autism just prevents him from living up to his full potential as usual.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if his mother were to tell him that she was cutting off the cable TV and the Internet unless he gets a job. Maybe I'll drop her a line.

While a good idea, I would worry about Sweet Mom's safety if she actually did this. I get the feeling Sweet Bro would sperg out and become violent if she took away the internet and TV. Unlike his brother, his mother would have no way of defending herself against an enraged Jon. She might want to buy a taser before resorting to such an action.

But yes, the only way to get Jon to change his behavior seems to be physical punishment or taking away something dear to him. Jon sees the interwebz as key to his livelihood so he wouldn't take losing it well.
 
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I get the feeling Sweet Bro would sperg out and become violent if she took away the internet and TV. Unlike his brother, his mother would have no way of defending herself against an enraged Jon. She might want to buy a taser before resorting to such an action.

Hell, if she'll agree to do it, I'll buy her a 9-million-volt Barbarian Stun Baton (with built-in flashlight, so she can hunt him down if he flees screaming into some place of darkness).
 
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Sweet at a job would turn out just like the Herald or at that one shop, assuming Sweet hasn't really changed (which is a safe assumption, IMO).

Also, Sweet said he doesn't do well in a normal work environment, although I'm pretty sure Sweet doesn't think it's because of a crappy personality.

EDIT: Here we go - Sweet posted this in response to @TheIceCreamMan asking him why he doesn't get a job:
I tried that. I don't do well in a 9-to-5 environment. That's why I work at home.


"They are ribbons of shame!"
I can read katakana - a couple of them say "drama" and another says something about sales.
 
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Also, Sweet said he doesn't do well in a normal work environment,

Wasn't that his justification for picking up cans on the side of the road and calling it a career?
 
Wasn't that his justification for picking up cans on the side of the road and calling it a career?
I don't know much about that part of Sweetory* - all I know is that at one point he tried doing that, but he was sabotaged by his brother at one point (I think the shed he was using to store the cans was cleared out or something).

*"Sweetory" doesn't just roll off the tongue like "Christory" does.
 
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Okay, so let's talk about Sweet's art, shall we? BRACE YOURSELVES FOR SOME TEAL DEER COMICS SPERGERY.

I've brought up the horror vacui plenty of times while discussing Sweetie's art; I even suspected Sweets might have some form of schizophrenia just based on how chaotic it is. This probably isn't the case, though; Sweets just fails at one very important aspect of making comics and art that every artist should do:

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Sweets comic and drawing method becomes obviously apparent rather quickly; Sweets doesn't plan anything. He draws up no thumbnail pages, no sketches to determine how best to lay the panels out on the page, shit, he doesn't even draw any kind of construction on his figures, causing them to shrink and grow from panel to panel. Shit, characters faces will be completely different from one panel to the next.

Allow me to sample a comic strip Sweets did fairly recently. How recently? I dunno, last year I guess. whatever. It's about some poor bastard Sweets has a grudge against from ASU who doesn't even fucking work there anymore because of course it fucking is.

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This comic is part one of a two-parter, but because I can only stand to look at this dreck for so long, we're just gonna do the first part. 'Cause fuck it. And fuck you, Jonathan Sweet, for being a hateful little boil on the taint of the internet who's not even man enough to stand up for himself on the Farms. God, what a pussy. What would Rush-senpai think?

Ahem. Moving on.

So right off the bat you're going to notice that the way the panels are laid out on the page is pretty fucking weird. There's a lot of unused negative space on either side of the strip for no real reason other than Sweets wanting to cram in as many WORDS WORDS WORDS as possible in the space of 3 and a half panels. In fact, that first word bubble probably wasn't even supposed to be there. It sticks out like a growth on the side of the strip. If Sweets is going for a newspaper comic layout, he's fucked up tremendously.

For reference, this is probably what Sweets was aiming for:

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We're gonna use Bloom County because I sincerely think Sweets was deeply influenced by it, as were a lot of cartoonists that read it (myself included).

If you ever want to get a good grasp on just how bugfuck insane Sweets is, compare Sweets strip to the Bloom County one. Both involve derision aimed at bumbling, incompetent authority figures, except you can actually tell what the fuck is happening in one whereas the other is so fucking cluttered with shit. There's a logo for the S.A.D.I.S.T.s in the background behind the central figure, there's colored-in laughter at the bottom of the strip the whole way through (implying that these people have been laughing at him since he opened his mouth, btw), there's too many goddamned cluttered word bubbles with a bunch of text so cramped together it's a fucking chore to read and on top of that the last panel is inexplicably cut in half while the inner bubble on the bottom hangs off.

Since the strip essentially has four panels, let's compare it to a standard four-panel comic format.

This is the format a normal, sane person uses:

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Four boxes, evenly sized and spaced apart. Boring, but it works. Very easy to read, and even easier to place on a page surrounded by other comics like it. Now, let's look at Sweets'.

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I set the original strip at a low opacity just so I can't be called a liar by Sweets. This is his layout, and frankly, the one he actually drew is even worse. Panels wobble and bleed into each other, touching and creating tangent lines. For those of you who don't math, that means lines that touch. This is a big no-no if you're making comics. And oh my God, all that white space, the differently shaped panels... it looks like the Black Flag logo started sniffing glue. This is a fucking mess.

You see, Sweets didn't retain one of the basic rules of somebody who's starting out in an art field, that being the K.I.S.S. rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Refer again to the Bloom County strip; there's not a lot of negative space between or around panels, but there's plenty inside the panels themselves. Sure, Breathed could have drawn all the little details of the classroom behind Senator Bedfellow, but Breathed doesn't even use proper word bubbles; instead he goes for the minimalist approach of a single line coming from a characters' mouth. This works as well as it does because there's plenty of negative space around the words themselves, making them very easy to read and see who they're attributed to. Sweets attempts to mimic this for the second panel (and only the second panel), but there's too many goddamned word and not enough space in the fucking panel.

HEY.

HEY, IDIOT.

DID ANYBODY EVER TELL YOU COMICS ARE A VISUAL MEDIUM?

Fucking hell, at least you could read the text that Tim Buckley plastered all over his comics. Also, using hyphens to break up words that don't have hyphens is usually not a good idea unless you need those words to be REALLY BIG FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT. But Sweets does this for just regular dialogue, making it evident he just draws a picture on a page first, then crams whatever text he's imagining in there above or below characters heads. I did this a lot when i was making comics in middle and high school; they were, like Sweets', roughly-planned, straight-ahead comics. Of course I had the good sense to use a goddamned ruler to plan out panels.

Think about it, Sweet. You are more incompetent than a teenage girl. And you write dialogue like you're writing a novel and not a fucking comic. For a comic strip, remember the K.I.S.S. rule: strip out the words you don't need. Just remember the words of William Shakesman.

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This just means "Don't waste our time." Or your page space, for that matter. Less is more.

For longer comics, if you need a lot of dialogue, having one panel of a character's head just saying a shit-ton of words is fucking boring. You gotta break that shit up. Since comics are visual, you do this by drawing more panels to stretch out the long spiels. This maintains visual interest and keeps up the pace so that your reader isn't stuck on one panel for too long. A lot of comics do this, but by far my favorite use of this technique goes to Herobear and the Kid, which uses this a lot, probably because creator Mike Kunkel worked as an animator for Disney.

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Tyler's transition from arrogance to self-doubt can clearly be seen over the course of four panels, and it helps break up what would otherwise be a huge block of text. Jeez, so how much more interesting is that visually? I mean, shit, if you're only making a new panel because you ran out of space to cram your WORDS, maybe you should consider sticking with writing prose.

So, what would Sweets comic layout look like if he wasn't a smelly, thumb-headed crazy racist man? Well, I tried to replicate his panel layout in a way that made a little more sense and I got this.

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There's some uneven gutter space on the one side, but all the panels are uniform sizes with the exception of the little in-bubble. Notice how there's not a whole bunch of white space on the outside of the strip? Shit, you could format this into a newspaper fairly easily, I'll bet. It's a much more economic use of space and it's not a lop-sided eyesore.

Jesus, I've written a ton of words and I haven't even gotten in depth into the art on the actual dude yet. I guess this, like that comic, will have to be a two-parter.

God help me.
 
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Hey @Meowthkip, what's the opposite of horror vacui, where one loves having empty space in art?

Also, I don't think anyone ever told Sweet that comics are a visual medium. Also also, Calvin and Hobbes had an uneven panel layout, but Watterson knew how to make it work.
 
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Is is possible he's trying to replicate the intentionally chaotic look of the alternative zines of the late 80's early 90's?
 
Is is possible he's trying to replicate the intentionally chaotic look of the alternative zines of the late 80's early 90's?

Everything about him is dated back at least 30 years, so most likely yes. Doubly so since he's the type to watch obscure stuff and then just expect people to know or hear about it because fuck thinking about others.
 
Sweet's logic is so alien, who knows what the fuck he is aiming for with his art style. Don't worry, the idiot will have an answer lined up for @Meowthkip's post in the next Sweetblog and guess what, it's gonna be him rationalizing his ass off as usual. "U dumb liberals, y cant u c mah genius!"

Anyway, doesn't matter what age you are or how well versed in the art field you are, nobody can read the giant mess of colors and crap that Sweet's comic is.

Everything about him is dated back at least 30 years, so most likely yes. Doubly so since he's the type to watch obscure stuff and then just expect people to know or hear about it because fuck thinking about others.

Combine all the stuff that Sweet Bro loves, his political views, throw in a heap of autism and you got The Belch Dimension.
 
Hey @Meowthkip, what's the opposite of horror vacui, where one loves having empty space in art?

Also, I don't think anyone ever told Sweet that comics are a visual medium. Also also, Calvin and Hobbes had an uneven panel layout, but Watterson knew how to make it work.

That'd be minimalism. And yeah, Calvin and Hobbes's layout were uneven, but I don't want to give Sweets the idea that because Bill Watterson can do it, his stanky, hairy ass can too.

No, Jon. No, you can't. You'd have to git gud first.

Is is possible he's trying to replicate the intentionally chaotic look of the alternative zines of the late 80's early 90's?

I don't doubt it, but considering his comic's subject matter (the adventures of wholesome(?) conservative stick children and their adventures with racist caricatures), it's pretty incongruous. Also those comics had the advantage of being experimental and stylish. Sweets' aping of them completely robs his work of any coolness he wanted it to have because, again, this guy doesn't appear to have taken a single art class in his fucking life outside of elementary school. Also he is painfully uncool.

Basically he needs to work his way up. His skill level is pretty low and I don't even think he cares, since he seems to gush about his writing more and his art is merely a means to an end.
 
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Sherman, set the Wayback Machine for half-past 1997.

I've heard again from one of my ASU sources who has recalled a couple of other examples of Sweet weirdness.

When Sweet checked out of his dorm room -- I'm assuming after he was expelled; my source is not clear on this point -- the RA who had to check the room after his departure found a jar filled to the brim with Sweet's urine. Home is apparently not the only place where traveling to the bathroom involves far too agonizing a journey for Our Hero to possibly endure.

The email also included an interesting account of Sweet in the dining hall.

The Bad Boy of College Journalism one day decided -- big surprise coming up real soon -- that he wanted seconds (or maybe it was thirds) from the scrumptious buffet. Uncharacteristically, he decided on more salad. Instead of taking his plate to the island of scrumptious salad ingredients, he went to the serving area, picked up a pair of tongs and made at least 15 trips back to his table, each time carrying a single piece of lettuce, a single cherry tomato, a single piece of celery, a single slice of cucumber, and so on and on and on, until he had assembled his second (or third) scrumptious helping. Everyone within sight of this bizarre performance watched in appalled silence. But all eyes were on Sweet. And, after all, that's the only thing in this vale of tears that is really important.

 
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Nobody told me what page the Doctor's recounting of what Sweet was like at student events was on, so I did some internet sorcery and found it again:
OK, my new pals, let's set the Wayback Machine for half-past 1997.


Sherman, set the Wayback Machine for half-past 1997.
The repeated expeditions to the Isle of Salad to bring back scrumptious cargo little by little is weird, but kind of expected.

I wonder what the reaction to the pee jar thing was. It may have involved doing what Sweet thinks needs to be done when a CFL is broken - sealing off the area and calling the hazmat team.

Maybe that's why the dorms Sweet was staying in were torn down!
Really though, finding a pee jar in a place Sweet lived in is surprising yet not surprising simultaneously.
 
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When Sweet checked out of his dorm room -- I'm assuming after he was expelled; my source is not clear on this point -- the RA who had to check the room after his departure found a jar filled to the brim with Sweet's urine. Home is apparently not the only place where traveling to the bathroom involves far too agonizing a journey for Our Hero to possibly endure.

 
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