🐱 How conservatives lost the culture war

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As Americans take their politics to the street, comparisons abound with 1968. It is worth recalling a less kinetic showdown in that summer of urban strife and protest.

In a now inconceivable piece of broadcasting, the ABC network set the writers William Buckley and Gore Vidal against each other in a saga of debates. Buckley, the prince of organised conservatism, drawled the case for order and tradition. Vidal, a hedonist if not a progressive, defended the changes of the day. In retrospect, the two shared much, not least the high-born airs that are more overt in New England than England. Still, theirs was an ominous contrast of world views, prefiguring 50 years of culture war.

Whoever was “right”, the evidence that liberalism won continues to amass. Last week, the Supreme Court ruled to extend LGBT rights. It also frustrated President Donald Trump over the treatment of young undocumented migrants. And this is after the right’s Long March through the judiciary, masterminded by the Federalist Society and other campaign groups. Away from the recent cases, which dealt with statutes, the call for the strictest possible adherence to constitutional text has the romantic aura of all lost causes.

The failures do not end there. Take immigration. When conservatism hardened into a movement in the mid-20th century, 5 per cent of the US population was foreign-born. Now the level is near an all-time high at 14 per cent. Or take the status of gay people. Public opinion on same-sex marriage has flipped from two-to-one against to two-to-one in favour since the millennium.

There have been consolations along the way. The military is more revered than during the Vietnam war, when returning troops donned civilian clothes before braving the streets. Out-and-proud atheists are still amazingly scarce in frontline politics. The abortion rate is at its lowest since it became legal.

In the round, though, “movement conservatism” is most notable for the gap between its political success and actual outcomes, at least in the realm of culture. Its organisational flair, its ecosystem of journals and think tanks, even its elected presidents have stood athwart history, yelling “stop!”, as Buckley suggested. If anything, history sped up. The recent statue-felling is just the outward expression of decades of social change.

The best the movement can say is that, lacking a control experiment, we cannot know how much more liberal the US would now be had the New Right never emerged. As an argument, I suppose it will have to do.

None of this is written with a Vidalian smirk. Even we who tend to his view on things must see that conservatism has bleak truths to impart: about the fragility of order, the perverse consequences of well-meaning change, the loss of the individual in the push for group rights. Zealots for change who give no quarter to conservatism’s insights are prone to over-reach. In fact, it is not obvious on which side a strict liberal, in the old sense, now belongs.

The point here is not to crow, then, but to record the ultimate failure of a movement that has appeared so formidable. And also to explain where it went wrong. It is not teleological inevitability, after all, that societies become more liberal over time. Two mistakes stand out.
First, starting with the presidency of Ronald Reagan, social conservatives threw in their lot with free-market economics. Capitalism is miraculously good at lots of things. Fostering stable communities, a sense of national belonging and deference to the sacred are not among them. Not only did Vidal’s agenda win, then, but, by egging on the supply-siders, Buckley was complicit in his victory.
Second, politics turns out to be far downstream of culture. Doctrinal conservatives stormed the three branches of government handily enough, but not Hollywood, the publishing industry, academia and other trades that form our habits of mind without our knowing it. The best the right did was set up parallel bodies, such as Fox News, and even these often address true believers.

Conservatives resent the infusion of universities with critical theory and other relativist lines of thought. If it matters that much, the burden is on them to clamber into the arena and compete. It is a glacial turnaround job, yes, but only because it was decades neglected in favour of more obvious spheres of power. The movement does not want for lawmakers or jurists. It wants for professors.
Watching back now, Vidal was more lethally epigrammatic, Buckley a shade better in deep debate. In the studio, the culture war was closely fought. Outside, ever since, the same cannot be said.
 
what he essentially said was "america can not subvert soviet union because soviet union is closed society. american propaganda is intercepted and never reaches soviet citizens."

We live in an era of globalism-consumerism, with American-designed (but Chinese-manufactured) products leading the pack. I'm not sure if his theory holds up anymore.
 
Do nothing
Sperg out like a tard

These are the only two actions available to the average American conservative.
I can list a few others
  • Vote for actual conservative politicians, not neo-con fuckwits
  • Let these politicians know that such a position will win them more votes than a neo-con that nobody likes
  • Form a local militia dedicated to neighbourhood safety, gun and outdoor education, and showing off how fun it is to actually squeeze off a few rounds to doubters
  • Debate moderates and be friendly with them, if one side is calling you Racist and the other wants you to come over for a neighbourhood BBQ, guess which one a person will vote for
  • Keep fighting to keep elections honest, make yourself heard
  • If you're a small business owner, don't give a shit that your hires were "cancelled" on twitter
  • Encourage people to actually go out into the real world and engage with their local community
  • Help fund local charities to organize events for the Youth
  • ENGAGE WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, this can not be overstated
It’s not like the czars were that great either

Also please tell me how gays being able to get married and women having rights will lead us to ruin.
As an Orthodox, being Gay itself is not sinful, God test some people harder than others. I don't even mind gays having a civil union between them. It is hookup culture that sucks the value out of a relationship by making being in one a vain thing that I am against. If two gay men dearly love each other and stay committed to each other, then I would be slightly uncomfortable but ultimately accepting of it. You Westerners have shown that is not what people shouting "Gay Rights" want, what they what is to fuck whoever they please, whenever, and they don't care if it's a man, a women, or a child.

I have no issues with women having rights. Some of the toughest soldiers I fought with in Ukraine where women who felt they had nothing to prove, they knew they were tough and they didn't put on an act of being so, they simply were. Anybody who says that those women shouldn't have rights I'll gladly give a good smack in the jaw because you don't insult my brothers and sisters in arms like that. I recognize that giving them rights means giving other women rights, and I accept that.
 
tl;dr subversion and infiltration only works against a target that practices freedom and openness. it does not work against a target that is closed off and authoritarian.

However, once subverted and reinforced against any internal ideological dissent, institutions that were founded on free ideals that can't actually practice them, will fail, as the crash of Hollywoke movies and holders of Gender Studies in Basket Weaving degrees being unable to pay off student loads are beginning to show.

Their "brililant" ideas, vetted by "experts" are failing to move the needle of society, the average man in the street who isn't a soy-bunned feminist ally doesn't want anything they are selling.

The long march will only bear fruit for a short time before the institutions rot from within just like the USSR did. Decades of planning and work ultimately only bought 15 minutes of fame, because average folk outside the socialist echo-chambers don't want video games more concerned with including tranny heroes or to be mailed a "we're sorry" sympathy card when they call 911 instead of actually getting some cops on scene.
 
Conservatives resent the infusion of universities with critical theory and other relativist lines of thought. If it matters that much, the burden is on them to clamber into the arena and compete.
It's always amazing that the same faggots who bitch about monopolies, patriarchy and systematic oppression will straight out say to conservatives that they simply don't try hard enough to compete, when getting into upper-academia/media/hi-tech with known conservative leaning will get you stopped at the door (or cancelled with impossible to prove sexual assault allegations), and creating a competition will get you BTFO'd by the monopolies and credit card companies.

The culture war is lost because the USA didn't fight monopolies hard enough and they now exist at a de-facto aristocracy - you can only get in by knowing the right people and thinking the same as them. A conservative can only hope to hide his belief like a fucking jew in the holocaust. There isn't even the threat of economic loss, since competition is out of the picture and those monopolies are so large and are sometimes a necessary part of day to day life that you can't boycott them.

The situation is so skewed that the only thing that can get things back to normal is violently tearing down those monopolies and their heads, preferrably with a guilliotine.
 
You described both sides again...

The left defends corporations when it benefits them. The right defends corporations when it hurts them because they're retarded.

this fundamentally does not work.

bezmenov pointed out a similar situation in his talk about soviet/kgb subversion against foreign countries and the impossibility of the reverse. what he essentially said was "america can not subvert soviet union because soviet union is closed society. american propaganda is intercepted and never reaches soviet citizens."

regarding the current situation, it's a similar deal. leftists could infiltrate western institutions because those institutions had a culture of openness and intellectual freedom. the same is not the case with leftist controlled institutions. those actively work to keep out dissenters, and regularly purge themselves of wrongthinkers. this happens in academia, media, and increasingly in business too.

tl;dr subversion and infiltration only works against a target that practices freedom and openness. it does not work against a target that is closed off and authoritarian.

Learn to attack people, not ideas.

It's always amazing that the same faggots who bitch about monopolies, patriarchy and systematic oppression will straight out say to conservatives that they simply don't try hard enough to compete, when getting into upper-academia/media/hi-tech with known conservative leaning will get you stopped at the door (or cancelled with impossible to prove sexual assault allegations), and creating a competition will get you BTFO'd by the monopolies and credit card companies.

Conservatives and libertarians equally guilty of this. They're just getting exactly what they asked for right now.
 
just take a look at china and their internet situation. it holds up just fine.

I'm not sure what you mean by this either. China may have an absurdly authoritarian government, but that government oversight is as sporadic and half-assed as every other Chinese endeavor. You'd be surprised at just how many Chinese civilians go to a street market, buy some VPN installer (and a key) on a thumb drive, stick it into their computer and use the internet like you or me. This is all sidestepping the fact that, even with rampant copyright infringement, China is still a huge consumer of American-produced everything. A strict government doesn't seem to free you from consumerism, at least from what I've seen.
 
Eh. Conservative Inc. didn't lose. It got exactly what it wanted.

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Immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. was always about lying to the public to get them to vote R.

There's no difference between what the Democrats want and what the Republicans want, only in what they pretend to want. They are both in favor of immigration (cheap labor, cheap votes), abortion (Barbara Bush and other rich people have always privately supported it) and sexual libertinism (people without normal families make better and more easily controlled consoomers). They colluded on NAFTA and the WTO, knowing it would destroy American manufacturing jobs and hollow out the middle class - that was the point.

They both supported massively expanding H1B so that Silicon Valley could become a colony of India - better than paying slightly higher salaries to American workers, amirite?

They both supported the Forever Wars in the Middle East, all the better to keep AIPAC happy and open up exciting new opportunities to loot foreign countries.

That's how you know Trump is legit. If he wasn't a real threat to the uniparty, they wouldn't have spent his entire presidency trying to force him out of office and nullify everything he's tried to achieve (except tax cuts).

Conservatives didn't lose, the people they conned into supporting them lost (same on the D side of the aisle - remember Hope and Change?). William F. Buckley, btw, was a serpentine faggot and a CIA asset (but I repeat myself).
 
Conservatives are losing because they're arrogant whiny children with no self awareness despite having done nothing to earn it, and nobody likes them for it.

What are you talking about? Liberals have been the most loudest and whiniest. The only time I hear a conservative bitch, moan, and complain is if either their voice is being silenced, or if they are calling out hypocritical bullshit. This year has been the worst since they are doing their damnedest to prevent Trump from getting a second term. Who were the people that had a "sit down" in the court houses? What side is that Pelosi bitch on? Remeber her... the same woman that had a mental break down after she gave a speech and a journalist DARED to question her motives.

The reason they keep getting fired from their jobs is because they absolutely must let the world know about their edgelord opinions, and they're not intelligent enough to do it anonymously.

So one rule for me, another rule for thee, huh? A black person can bitch about being uncomfortable around the white people and say some anti-white shit, or a woman can claim about feeling oppressed and the companies will bend-over backwards for them, but heaven forbid a white guy makes an edgy/racy joke they are instantly shit-canned, and that's ok? Those same "edgelords" are just supposed to just sit there and take it?

And if you're referring to spouting whatever is on their mind on social media, then yes, I agree, using social media in general is fucking retarded, but do you know what's just as retarded? A company firing someone for shit that happens OUTSIDE of work. All the companies have to do is make a small statement like "the opinions of one of our employees does not reflect the opinions of our company" and just be done with it if they REALLY have to say ANYTHING. Also how much you wanna bet all the BLM supporters still have THEIR jobs? You know, Black Lives Matter... the same people that have been burning/destroying shit and killing people... the same people working with Antifa, the TERRORIST GROUP. Nah, that's ok, theres certainly NOTHING wrong with that.

They'll never be able to infiltrate or subvert anything like they accuse leftists of doing because they view not shouting on the rooftops about how much they hate minorities as a sign of weakness.

Anytime a conservative ATTEMPTS to do anything physical or start a group, its IMMEDIATELY labeled as a "hate group" or "neo-nazi" group and has it's legs cut out from under them. Hell, it doesn't even have to BE a conservative, it could be someone that is just sick and tired of the controlling and censoring and wants to make a change. Bitchute get's criticized and ridiculed even though all it's trying to do is be an alternative to YouTube and respect freedom of speech. Dick Masterson had to shut down NewProject2 (an alternative payment processor) because MasterCard decided to fuck with them. But no, keep telling me how conservatives just shout "nigger" all day and don't do shit.
 
However, once subverted and reinforced against any internal ideological dissent, institutions that were founded on free ideals will fail, as the crash of Hollywoke movies and holders of Gender Studies in Basket Weaving degrees being unable to pay off student loads are beginning to show.

The long march will only bear fruit for a short time before the institutions rot from within just like the USSR did.
this post is pure wishful thinking and cope.

"the crash of hollywoke movies"
what fucking crash? MCU is the most profitable thing hollywood has ever done. people didn't like nu star wars and girlbusters2016, yeah, but that's not a "crash", not even remotely close.

and gender studies degrees from woke universities? dude a bunch of wokesters with meme degrees being poor doesn't have any impact on the big picture at all.
these institutions purpose is propaganda and indoctrination, and they are absolutely NOT failing at that.
 
this post is pure wishful thinking and cope.

"the crash of hollywoke movies"
what fucking crash? MCU is the most profitable thing hollywood has ever done. people didn't like nu star wars and girlbusters2016, yeah, but that's not a "crash", not even remotely close.

and gender studies degrees from woke universities? dude a bunch of wokesters with meme degrees being poor doesn't have any impact on the big picture at all.
these institutions purpose is propaganda and indoctrination, and they are absolutely NOT failing at that.

The students are failing out in the street, that's for sure, they haven't convinced anyone but themselves that they're right, and they already believed it anyway. Nobody who didn't agree with them before the riots now agrees with them after they've had their buildings set on fire and the firemen chased off by a mob, that's for sure.

And I don't see it as cope and wishful thinking, every Marxist regime in history has rotted from within because it tries to control thought and punish those who think wrong, the modern left is no different.

I'm not saying it happens tomorrow, nor next year, but it's fundamentally unsustainable to run a thought policestate. Human nature isn't compatible with living under systems that are unfair, even if it's supposedly for the good of all.
 
How they lost?

Because they completely ceded it in the 70s. This is something everyone has known since before I was born. Conservatives gave up the culture because they thought it wasn't important and it came back to fucking bite them in the ass.
 
What are you talking about? Liberals have been the most loudest and whiniest. The only time I hear a conservative bitch, moan, and complain is if either their voice is being silenced, or if they are calling out hypocritical bullshit. This year has been the worst since they are doing their damnedest to prevent Trump from getting a second term. Who were the people that had a "sit down" in the court houses? What side is that Pelosi bitch on? Remeber her... the same woman that had a mental break down after she gave a speech and a journalist DARED to question her motives.

Liberals whine with a purpose. Conservatives whine impotently with no strategy in mind and terrible rhetoric.

So one rule for me, another rule for thee, huh? A black person can bitch about being uncomfortable around the white people and say some anti-white shit, or a woman can claim about feeling oppressed and the companies will bend-over backwards for them, but heaven forbid a white guy makes an edgy/racy joke they are instantly shit-canned, and that's ok? Those same "edgelords" are just supposed to just sit there and take it?

Yeah, that's what you get for being a complacent lolbertardian. These edgelords are usually the ones celebrating the obscenely rich (who are usually the result of crony capitalism) as an example of why America is the greatest country in the world. They're about to learn the hard way that the amount of free speech you have is strongly correlated with your wealth. Try having a less retarded ideology in the next life.

Anytime a conservative ATTEMPTS to do anything physical or start a group, its IMMEDIATELY labeled as a "hate group" or "neo-nazi" group and has it's legs cut out from under them. Hell, it doesn't even have to BE a conservative, it could be someone that is just sick and tired of the controlling and censoring and wants to make a change. Bitchute get's criticized and ridiculed even though all it's trying to do is be an alternative to YouTube and respect freedom of speech. Dick Masterson had to shut down NewProject2 (an alternative payment processor) because MasterCard decided to fuck with them. But no, keep telling me how conservatives just shout "nigger" all day and don't do shit.

Of course it doesn't work, libertarianism is a failed ideology with no basis in reality. Any attempt at a libertarian solution will end in failure.
 
The students are failing out in the street, that's for sure, they haven't convinced anyone but themselves that they're right, and they already believed it anyway.
its not about "convincing" anybody, its about forcing people into submission. and they are very successful at that. see: the entirety of corporate america lining up to swear allegiance to BLM.

every Marxist regime in history has rotted from within because it tries to control thought and punish those who think wrong, the modern left is no different.
i don't see china rotting away any time soon. or north korea. or vietnam, or laos, or cuba.
 
Anybody seen Ready Player One?

It's trash, but it contains the best visual description of what the elites have planned for America:

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Imagine a giant, disgusting favela, full of hopeless and alienated people wasting their pointless lives on stupid vidyagame shit and high fructose prolefood delivered by Amazon drones, from sea to shining sea. (Don't worry, the people who matter will still have their carefully manicured gated communities where they don't have to see you, hear you or smell you).

That's what the Democrats and the Republicans have spent more than half a century working on. Because they're sociopaths, and they hate you.
 
Would a Russian history book do?
No, th--that. That's what's being talked about.

Too many conservatives act like the reality that our way of running things is the best way, and you just have to read a book to understand why. They're intellectually lazy, and conservative youth outreach is dominated by lazy hatred of communism. But when you can't even come to peace about your own place in society, you're pressured to take a path that puts massive debt on you for little to no returns without you having a clear idea of what you want, you're demoralized and unfulfilled, and the people in power aren't doing anything about people whose plights are even worse than yours because they just don't care about anyone beyond themselves, why would you think that they wouldn't be attracted by a philosophy that, in theory, should at least benefit them and a whole bunch of people?

Yeah, communism is terrible in practice. Socialism is so cumbersome in reality that we can only implement it in segments of our system. But... so many conservatives aren't actually fighting for anything beyond the status quo that makes them comfortable. Actually, they're not fighting at all-- they're complaining about how Die Linke is taking over everything without even attempting to become useful enough to offer a counter-push. They either got burnt out on the "libtard owned" fad or they're still on that train, and think that their laughing at generally insecure adult children with deficient civics education is saving Western Civilization. They whinge about the sexual degeneracy of the West without understanding what exactly its effects were (principally, the destruction of the family structure through the deprivation of-- mainly-- the father, which led to the cultivation of many unstable children that either crystallized their insecurity, got swept up into criminality, or took out their anger on as much of society as they could before killing themselves) because they're so wrapped up in the meme of having a qt trad wife while they themselves embody no traditional principle. They use the latent leftist hatred of the minority as the cheapest gotcha as opposed to a scorching rejoinder of their bare-faced hypocrisy. Like many liberals, many conservatives have become glutted on dopamine rushes they get from rhetorically besting their interlocutor. They're satisfied with passionately arguing theory without trying to make that theory manifest, or they're cowed from doing so.

Also please tell me how gays being able to get married and women having rights will lead us to ruin.

Rights are supposed to be parallel to responsibility. For example, women in Saudi Arabia are afforded no rights, but the father (or husband) is absolutely responsible for what they do.

While giving women more rights is good, we latently fail to ensure that she recognizes the responsibility inherent to these rights-- just like how we, as a society, have forgotten that liberty entails a responsible use of freedom, rather than being freedom itself. We've not only infantilized the woman, but we've condescended to her and continue to do so.
 
"Tricky Dick" Nixon, who would have made a great American success story if he wasn't so paranoid. Loses to JFK and makes a political comeback to win again. And his presidency, despite a guaranteed win in 1972, just had to carry out watergate and spy on his enemies.

These days is remembered by no one, even on the right, no one will bring his name up to praise him. I would add Matt Gaetz is a man of culture for quoting Calvin Coolidge.

Also Nixon opened up the country to China, which has lead to our current state of shit affairs.
Point is race riots don't do a lot for winning the left elections.
 
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