🐱 How conservatives lost the culture war

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As Americans take their politics to the street, comparisons abound with 1968. It is worth recalling a less kinetic showdown in that summer of urban strife and protest.

In a now inconceivable piece of broadcasting, the ABC network set the writers William Buckley and Gore Vidal against each other in a saga of debates. Buckley, the prince of organised conservatism, drawled the case for order and tradition. Vidal, a hedonist if not a progressive, defended the changes of the day. In retrospect, the two shared much, not least the high-born airs that are more overt in New England than England. Still, theirs was an ominous contrast of world views, prefiguring 50 years of culture war.

Whoever was “right”, the evidence that liberalism won continues to amass. Last week, the Supreme Court ruled to extend LGBT rights. It also frustrated President Donald Trump over the treatment of young undocumented migrants. And this is after the right’s Long March through the judiciary, masterminded by the Federalist Society and other campaign groups. Away from the recent cases, which dealt with statutes, the call for the strictest possible adherence to constitutional text has the romantic aura of all lost causes.

The failures do not end there. Take immigration. When conservatism hardened into a movement in the mid-20th century, 5 per cent of the US population was foreign-born. Now the level is near an all-time high at 14 per cent. Or take the status of gay people. Public opinion on same-sex marriage has flipped from two-to-one against to two-to-one in favour since the millennium.

There have been consolations along the way. The military is more revered than during the Vietnam war, when returning troops donned civilian clothes before braving the streets. Out-and-proud atheists are still amazingly scarce in frontline politics. The abortion rate is at its lowest since it became legal.

In the round, though, “movement conservatism” is most notable for the gap between its political success and actual outcomes, at least in the realm of culture. Its organisational flair, its ecosystem of journals and think tanks, even its elected presidents have stood athwart history, yelling “stop!”, as Buckley suggested. If anything, history sped up. The recent statue-felling is just the outward expression of decades of social change.

The best the movement can say is that, lacking a control experiment, we cannot know how much more liberal the US would now be had the New Right never emerged. As an argument, I suppose it will have to do.

None of this is written with a Vidalian smirk. Even we who tend to his view on things must see that conservatism has bleak truths to impart: about the fragility of order, the perverse consequences of well-meaning change, the loss of the individual in the push for group rights. Zealots for change who give no quarter to conservatism’s insights are prone to over-reach. In fact, it is not obvious on which side a strict liberal, in the old sense, now belongs.

The point here is not to crow, then, but to record the ultimate failure of a movement that has appeared so formidable. And also to explain where it went wrong. It is not teleological inevitability, after all, that societies become more liberal over time. Two mistakes stand out.
First, starting with the presidency of Ronald Reagan, social conservatives threw in their lot with free-market economics. Capitalism is miraculously good at lots of things. Fostering stable communities, a sense of national belonging and deference to the sacred are not among them. Not only did Vidal’s agenda win, then, but, by egging on the supply-siders, Buckley was complicit in his victory.
Second, politics turns out to be far downstream of culture. Doctrinal conservatives stormed the three branches of government handily enough, but not Hollywood, the publishing industry, academia and other trades that form our habits of mind without our knowing it. The best the right did was set up parallel bodies, such as Fox News, and even these often address true believers.

Conservatives resent the infusion of universities with critical theory and other relativist lines of thought. If it matters that much, the burden is on them to clamber into the arena and compete. It is a glacial turnaround job, yes, but only because it was decades neglected in favour of more obvious spheres of power. The movement does not want for lawmakers or jurists. It wants for professors.
Watching back now, Vidal was more lethally epigrammatic, Buckley a shade better in deep debate. In the studio, the culture war was closely fought. Outside, ever since, the same cannot be said.
 
Article does have a strong point, which is why regimes in other countries make sure to control media, academia, entertainment and education rather than pissing it all away.

Trump as stated before is a liberal running a party that would have died in 2016 if Jeb and the other cuckolds around ran against Hillary. Only reason they dominated the House and Senate was a failure of Obama giving gibs to help his overall traditional white working class base.

The survival of the GOP rests on dropping the crony capitalist bullshit and embracing the working man.
 
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Conservatives are losing because they're arrogant whiny children with no self awareness despite having done nothing to earn it, and nobody likes them for it. The reason they keep getting fired from their jobs is because they absolutely must let the world know about their edgelord opinions, and they're not intelligent enough to do it anonymously. Comes with the extreme egotism I suppose. They'll never be able to infiltrate or subvert anything like they accuse leftists of doing because they view not shouting on the rooftops about how much they hate minorities as a sign of weakness.
 
The long march through the institutions that has awarded modern leftism so much power has less to do with electing Reagan and more to do with banishing McCarthy.

More specifically, our resident hoard of ever-growing sub-white immigrants, who overwhelmingly vote left, are here due to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (and later 1965), which removed quotas on immigration flow and resulted in an immigration uptick (legal and illegal) that continues to this very day. You can blame this catastrophic catalyst on Lyndon B., not Reagan.
 
Conservatives are losing because they're arrogant whiny children with no self awareness despite having done nothing to earn it, and nobody likes them for it. The reason they keep getting fired from their jobs is because they absolutely must let the world know about their edgelord opinions, and they're not intelligent enough to do it anonymously. Comes with the extreme egotism I suppose. They'll never be able to infiltrate or subvert anything like they accuse leftists of doing because they view not shouting on the rooftops about how much they hate minorities as a sign of weakness.

Pretty much this.

I always get a chuckle out of seeing users on this forum with avatars of portraits or sculptures of philosphers coming across as giant crybabies over literally anything now a days. Just social justice warriors in cucks clothing.
 
Conservatives are losing because they're arrogant whiny children with no self awareness despite having done nothing to earn it, and nobody likes them for it. The reason they keep getting fired from their jobs is because they absolutely must let the world know about their edgelord opinions, and they're not intelligent enough to do it anonymously. Comes with the extreme egotism I suppose. They'll never be able to infiltrate or subvert anything like they accuse leftists of doing because they view not shouting on the rooftops about how much they hate minorities as a sign of weakness.
Because bending over and taking it in the ass because "it's only fair" has worked out very well for the past 30 years.
 
Conservatives are losing because they're arrogant whiny children with no self awareness despite having done nothing to earn it, and nobody likes them for it. The reason they keep getting fired from their jobs is because they absolutely must let the world know about their edgelord opinions, and they're not intelligent enough to do it anonymously. Comes with the extreme egotism I suppose. They'll never be able to infiltrate or subvert anything like they accuse leftists of doing because they view not shouting on the rooftops about how much they hate minorities as a sign of weakness.
You've literally described both sides of the aisle in American politics.
 
Because bending over and taking it in the ass because "it's only fair" has worked out very well for the past 30 years.

That isnt what he is saying, Stop pushing Moral Highround bullshit, start infiltrating and worming your way in and playing dirty.
 
That isnt what he is saying, Stop pushing Moral Highround bullshit, start infiltrating and worming your way in and playing dirty.
But that's the thing, it is against my morals that I should be silent of my beliefs over fear. I've read what silence did for the supporters of the Czar, I would rather die heard in battle than die silently in a gulag.
 
But that's the thing, it is against my morals that I should be silent of my beliefs over fear. I've read what silence did for the supporters of the Czar, I would rather die heard in battle than die silently in a gulag.

Do nothing
Sperg out like a tard

These are the only two actions available to the average American conservative.

You've literally described both sides of the aisle in American politics.

The left actually pursues power, so they earned it for now. The right just sticks their head in the sand and pops out once in a while to rage about something retarded. The people behind this are primarily the western elite, who are mostly white, so naturally conservatives spend most of their time raging about black people, Muslims, and the Chinese. It's almost as if conservatives are afraid to attack the western elite, as if they're delusional enough to think they're part of that group.
 
Article does have a strong point, which is why regimes in other countries make sure to control media, academia, entertainment and education rather than pissing it all away.

Problem is, in a free country, people will eventually give up on the media and academia when it turns blatantly into a one-sided cheerleading team.

Control of the media only garuntees power when people have to agree with it at gunpoint....

But the left still maintains the "monopoly board" model of media, if you own it, people have no choice but to pay if they land on it, they forget, people can chose to walk away from a game, and all the people they kicked off their platforms these last 4 years for "wrongthink" are going to remember that when they get to the polls, not give up because the left ALSO believes in this odd notion that if deprived a voice, you lose your passion to use your VOTE.

They see conservatives "losing" online, "losing" in Hollywood, "losing" on campuses and assume they'll, somehow, also "lose" when the ideas and party that cost them their livelihoods is put to the vote.

It doesn't work that way, thats' why 2016 blindsided them so bad.

They didn't, and still don't, see how total control of media and the "official" message isn't an insta-win.

Weimarification of a culture doesn't last, one way or another. It's a lot easier to undermine an existing order than to create and maintain your own.

The left can't win the culture war because people don't embrace radicalism, and in the rare cases they do, it quickly must be reverted due to being worse than what it replaced, see the 2-week lifespan of CHAZ or people who hamstrung their police departments on ideological grounds already suffering more robberies and murders.
 
The left actually pursues power, so they earned it for now. The right just sticks their head in the sand and pops out once in a while to rage about something retarded. The people behind this are primarily the western elite, who are mostly white, so naturally conservatives spend most of their time raging about black people, Muslims, and the Chinese. It's almost as if conservatives are afraid to attack the western elite, as if they're delusional enough to think they're part of that group.
You described both sides again...
 
Remind me who won the election in 1968?
"Tricky Dick" Nixon, who would have made a great American success story if he wasn't so paranoid. Loses to JFK and makes a political comeback to win again. And his presidency, despite a guaranteed win in 1972, just had to carry out watergate and spy on his enemies.

These days is remembered by no one, even on the right, no one will bring his name up to praise him. I would add Matt Gaetz is a man of culture for quoting Calvin Coolidge.

Also Nixon opened up the country to China, which has lead to our current state of shit affairs.
 
start infiltrating and worming your way in and playing dirty.
this fundamentally does not work.

bezmenov pointed out a similar situation in his talk about soviet/kgb subversion against foreign countries and the impossibility of the reverse. what he essentially said was "america can not subvert soviet union because soviet union is closed society. american propaganda is intercepted and never reaches soviet citizens."

regarding the current situation, it's a similar deal. leftists could infiltrate western institutions because those institutions had a culture of openness and intellectual freedom. the same is not the case with leftist controlled institutions. those actively work to keep out dissenters, and regularly purge themselves of wrongthinkers. this happens in academia, media, and increasingly in business too.

tl;dr subversion and infiltration only works against a target that practices freedom and openness. it does not work against a target that is closed off and authoritarian.
 
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